may 23 AMPS 501!! ??? what can i do?

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  1. piri

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    satina is still high.
    i am not able to regulate!
    any suggestion?
    and more she has these fasciculation...
    which really... upset me...
    then gratapet food very bad for her, she has vomited it.
    so back to fish and meat
     
  2. Sharon14

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    Piri, correct the date in your thread title so people don't think it's an old thread. I can't help with dosing advice, so I'm bumping this up, hopefully someone will see it.
     
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  3. piri

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    And she groom really a lot.
    What does it mean?
    I am broken.
     
  4. Tuxedo Mom

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    It would be good to get a test in the evening 2 or 3 hours after the shot.

    Last night at PMPS Satina was 296. It is very possible that she may have gone lower during the night. If she dropped far enough that could be the reason for the higher numbers today. It could be from a bounce which kitties will do when they get to a lower number than they are used to.

    If possible could you try to get a +2 or +3 test in the evening. That will help to tell if the high numbers are from a bounce or if it is something else happening.

    :bighug: :bighug:
     
  5. Lydia--(Rosie & Basil) GA

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    Is she grooming her entire body or just one area? If it is just one area, she could be having pain of some kind. I agree with Mary Ann that she might have dropped low last night and bounced today.
     
  6. Sienne and Gabby (GA)

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    It would be useful if you could get a test before you go to bed every night. That will tell you if your kitty's numbers are dropping. Given that a lot of what you're seeing are numbers that are in the 300s or sometimes higher, it's also quite likely that when Satina's numbers fall into the 200s, it triggers a bounce. In my opinion, the best thing you can do is stick with the protocol and keep systematically increasing the dose until Satina is in better numbers. Unfortunately, we don't know exactly how your cat was doing prior to your switching to Lantus. It can take a while for a cat to get to what is a "good" dose. As much as we would all like this to happen immediately, unfortunately, it doesn't. You have seen some nadirs in the 100s that are followed by bounces. The bouncing is hugely frustrating but it's also a normal part of this process. Please don't become disheartened. The one thing that we all learn being a caregiver of a diabetic cat is patience. This is not a hopeless situation -- in fact, it's anything but hopeless. You're doing your best and Satina knows that.

     
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  7. piri

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    She groom all the body but front legs more.
    But really too much.
    I know she is not well.
    I feel.
    I am suffering a lot.
    I think she too.
    We love each other as a couple in love does.
    She is my best friend.
    And i am hers.
    Never felt anyone as her.
    She is rwally really so special ladies.
    The sweetest.
    My heart is broken. Broken!
     
  8. piri

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    Now she is 306. 2 hours and half after.
    I don't find a logic.
    Let's see few more days.
    If still on reds i'll increase slow.
    Agree?
     
  9. Wendy&Neko

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    Here is your previous post, with the videos you posted. It helps us if we have the link to your previous post so we can see what happened before.

    Could you update your speadsheet with that 306? If you can get tests each night before bed and you aren't seeing any green in the next few cycles, then I think you can increase by 0.25U.
     
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  10. Sienne and Gabby (GA)

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    I'm confused. Salina's numbers dropped from 416 at PMPS to 306 two and a half hours after you gave her her evening insulin?

    For many cats, Lantus begins to work ("onset") can start at around 2 - 4 hours after a shot. If you look at my kitty's SS, you'll see she had an early onset and early nadir (lowest point in the cycle). Every cat is different with regard to when their onset and nadir occur. Do not assume that Satina will have her nadir at +6 every cycle. Nadirs can and do change.

    Please do not go back to a human food diet with your cat. Giving your cat "people" food is not nutritionally complete for cats. Cats cannot manufacture certain amino acids like taurine from proteins the way other species can. A taurine deficiency can cause all kinds of problems. I'm assuming the Lily's Kitchen was something Satina would eat without a problem. If you want to feed a "meat or fish" diet, you can purchase a food "pre-mix" that contains all of the necessary supplements that Satina will need to have a nutritionally complete diet. A brand that I used that is available in Europe is TC Feline. If you look at the "Shot Online" section of their website, you'll see a link for people living in Europe.

     
  11. piri

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    I am adding her feline complete powder elements.
    bought from zoo plus.
    i can't give her every day lily's kitchen.
    i have noticed some nausea after this.
    her nadir is really strange, sometimes it is after 10 hours, sometimes before, but never after 6 hours.
    and then it seems that sometimes her BG even ig goes on nadir after 8 it remains there.
    as yesterday.
    she has been all day on 400 about.
    i think feline complete is likely to TC premix.

    http://www.zooplus.it/shop/gatti/compresse_paste/barf/153096
     
  12. Gill & George

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    Piri, how long have you been adding the Feline complete to her homemade food?

    • Has your vet run any blood tests?
    • If he has do you have the results?
    If we can take a look at them, maybe it might help point us in the right direction of Piri's problems.:bighug::bighug:
     
  13. piri

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    it's 15/20 days, but she had these problems before.
    i have the exams, i'll try a way to send them to you, because i can't scan them.
    thank you
     
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  14. Gill & George

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    On the spread sheet where it says labs, you could write them in, that's what I have done.

    Or maybe if you can take a picture with your phone and post that??

    So just to be clear the fasiculation is a problem that Piri has had for a while?
    How long?
    How long was she on a homemade diet without any supplements?
     
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  15. piri

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    here, some
     

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    here, some
     
  17. piri

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    homemade diet since january.
    without supplements 1 month.
    I don't think it's because of that.
     
  18. Sharon14

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    Piri start a new thread today with the date, Satinas AMPS and mention the lab work. Be sure to attach the labs to the new thread. Often people look at dates and only read the newest posts.
     
  19. piri

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    done
    now she is 170.
    PMPS 368
    increased less than a small amount than 1.50 and now after 2 hours and half she is 170!!!!!!
     
  20. Gill & George

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    That is quite a fast drop, please test her again in one hour.
    You may want to give her a teaspoon or two of her regular low carb food to slow her down.
    When cat's drop fast or go lower than they are used to it can result in bouncing to high numbers.
    Feeding a little food and slowing her down may help her BG get more steady.
     
  21. piri

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    i have given her food.
    i'll test again.
    but why this happened?
     
  22. Gill & George

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    I don't know.
    She's a Cat so it's her job to confuse the humans:)

    Anything different with her today? Is she feeling better, no sickness etc?

    Piri why don't you change the title, so more people will know to take a look.
    People tend not to look at old threads updating the date will help.
    (as BJM suggested usually best to start a new thread every day and link the previous thread if you are replying to someone and you want them to look you can tag them by writing @ in front of their name then they get an alert like this @piri )

    Edit the title for now Write something like :

    Satina 5/24 pmps 368 +3 170
     
  23. piri

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    ok...
    confuse the humans???
    i am going crazy.
    i am living a nightmare.
    she is going lower.
    +4 164
     
  24. Tuxedo Mom

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    Satina is starting to respond to the insulin. She is still in safe numbers right now. You could give her 1/2 Tbsp of her regular food and test again at +4 to make sure she is not dropping too fast.
     
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  25. piri

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    now + 5 is 202
     
  26. piri

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    yes but she has responded to fast today.
    usually she respond after 8 to 10 hours!
     
  27. Tuxedo Mom

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    Still a good number. Meters can read up or down as much as 20% so the number is still in the same range. Satina should be getting close to her nadir (lowest number) soon so you do not have to worry, but you can retest in another hour just to be sure.
     
  28. piri

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    which zone is safe?
    which is the goal?
     
  29. Tuxedo Mom

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    Are you using a pet meter such as AlphaTrak 2 or a human meter. With a pet meter as long as Satina is above 68 she is fine. With a human meter as long as she is above 50 she is good. :)

    These are good numbers for Satina. She may "bounce" up higher later or in the morning but that is normal while her body gets used to being in lower numbers.
     
  30. piri

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    thank you
     
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  31. piri

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    ok,
    tomorrow i'll see.
    shall give her 1.50
    or still 1.60?
     
  32. piri

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    human meter
     
  33. Tuxedo Mom

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    OK then as long as Satina does not drop down to less than 50 the numbers are fine. IF she dropped down very quickly after the shot...in the first 1-3 hours then you might want to give some higher carb food to slow the drop down, but right now she is looking fine
     
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  34. jayla-n-Drevon

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    Hi-
    I remember when I wanted lower numbers so badly and then when I got them I was terrified!
    You have great advice here regarding not wanting to drop too fast--but soon you will crave those pretty numbers and know exactly how to manage keeping her safe. Remember the nadir can change at any time..... My kitty had always had nadir at +4 and now he is moving it to +6.... he is a cat!:cat:
    Take a deep breath your doing great!!:bighug:
     
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