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  1. Bobbie And Bubba

    Bobbie And Bubba Well-Known Member

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    6.25.16 Bubba


    I was surprised he was even as high as 85 this AM as he would not eat his +8 snack last night and he continues with diarrhea. I am not sure but I think there was a small amount of blood in one diarrhea last night. I did take in a sample yesterday. No vomiting since yesterday. He is really off his feed which is just not Bubba and a whole new world for me. I can really sympathize with those you go through coaxing to eat on a daily basis. He did manage to eat about 2 oz. of poached chicken. I will get some tuna for him today for a variety.

    After he ate this AM he hid in the basement. He hasn't done that since his eye surgery. That has me scared that this is something not good....hope I am just being an alarmist.
     
  2. D Gilman

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    sorry to hear this.
     
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  3. Shoeskitty-GA

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    Bobbie, I don't have any advice on this but sending you big hugs :bighug::bighug::bighug:.
     
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  4. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Glad to see you over here in Lantus Land!
     
  5. elizabeth and gus

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    Bobbie I am so sorry that Bubba seams not well. Sending lots of prayers and vines your way.
     
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  6. Peg and Toby

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    Sending vines and prayers for Bubba and a bunch of hugs for you. I for one know how stressful it is when your kitty isn't feeling good. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    I hope you feel better soon Bubba! It is important to eat all your food! :bighug:

    I am sending healing thoughts to Bubba.
     
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    I hope Bubba feels better soon. Sending prayers.
     
  10. Mandarin'sMom

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    I'm so sorry that Bubba isn't feeling well - sending lots of healing vines! :bighug::bighug::bighug:

    Did the vet happen to say anything about doing sub-q fluids if the diarrhea continues? Not only does the diarrhea itself make them feel crummy, but once they get a bit dehydrated, they feel even worse and don't want to eat anymore.
     
  11. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Yes the did some for him yesterday.
     
  12. Mandarin'sMom

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    Sorry, I must have missed that... I hope he eats some more of the poached chicken or tuna later.
     
  13. Kako & Tux

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    May healing and comfort given :bighug: Bobbie :bighug: Bubba :bighug:
     
  14. Doodles & Karen

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    So sorry to hear Bubba isn't feeling good. I don't use SEB for maintenance but will use it to stop diarrhea. It usually works pretty quickly. Does he eat a variety of FF flavors? At one point Doodles only ate FF Beef then one day out of the blue he had real bad loose stools and hasn't touched it since. Then again, we can't go by his eating habits. Sending mega feel better and appy vines to Bubbs :bighug::bighug:
     
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  15. rhiannon and shadow (GA)

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    Poor Bubba.... he obviously doesn't feel good. That hiding is definitely a sign of not feeling good .....
    maybe he'd eat a scrambled egg?

    sending prayers and hugs ...
     
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  16. Cara and Wynken (GA)

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    Darn it, Bubba! I wish you felt better, sweetheart:kiss:. It is scary for your momma-bean! Get better FAST!

    I sure hope he finds his appetite, Bobbie. Sometimes they just have to go find a calm healing place and rest, while their bodies heal. Hugs to you, today!!!':bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  17. Olive & Paula

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    Bubba, feel better. The mice are waiting for you. I have no suggestions Bobbie. I do remember a very long time ago my previous vet of 30 yrs said to give Imodium to my cat who had diarrhea for unknown reason. It worked.
     
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  18. Bobbie And Bubba

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    He eats FF chicken feast, turkey and giblets, occasionally Shrimp and Salmon feast. Right now I am trying just bland poached chicken but without a food scales, I am not sure how much I am giving him. I gave a piece today smaller than the palm of my hand so I am thinking it's about 2 Oz? I broke down and gave him a tbsp. of YA and he gobbled it down! Just now I tested him at +4.75 and he is 67. That worries me for this early in the cycle when his nadir is +8 but doesn't surprise me without hardly any carbs. I did just give him 1/8 of FF sprinkle with ground up YA and he ate all that too. Karen, I don't know how you do this all the time with Doodles and all the other stuff going on. My hat goes off to you, girl.
     
  19. Bobbie And Bubba

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    What can I use on Bubba's anus which is so sore looking. Witch Hazel works for humans, can I use on a cat?
     
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  21. Doodles & Karen

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    If his stools are still loose, I'd go with 1/4 tsp in his food twice a day until it stops. If he won't eat it you can syringe it..just dissolve it in a little water.
     
  22. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Oh, I thought you had to boil it and make a syrup out of it? Is there any particular brand you get and I should be able to get it at the health food store , right?
     
  23. Doodles & Karen

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    Sometimes all of a sudden their food stops agreeing with them. I'd certainly stay away from the Shrimp & Salmon feast for a while if it were me. The other food that Doodles at good was the FF Beef & Liver after the regular Beef stopped. Eventually the same thing happened, loose stools, stopped eating it. After so many loose stool episodes and knowing he has IBD is when I did that un-validated allergy test. Since I've used it as a "guide" knock on wood, he hasn't had any poop issues.

    Amy's Trixie goes off her food sometimes and has noticed it can very from a different "lot" number.
     
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  24. Doodles & Karen

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    I never have. I've always just put it directly into his food. They come in capsules so I open it up and put as close to a 1/4 tsp as possible. It has cleared up Doodles in a dose or two.
     
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  25. Doodles & Karen

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    Sorry. I bought the Solaray 400mg brand. Just read the ingredients and make sure there isn't anything added. Mine does have Gelatin Capusle and Magnesium Stearate added but no other ingredients.
     
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  26. mucacopatarica

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    Bobbie I am sorry to hear Bubba still have health problems. Is he still in basement? Will you visit vet tomorrow? Sory I cant help you I have not enough knowledge. I hope Bubba will be better soon. Positive vines :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  27. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Thanks Sara, if he still has the diarrhea and or not acting better, yes, he will go back to the vet tomorrow.
     
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  28. Doodles & Karen

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    You may want to pick up some different flavors of FF too as a back up. I think you also feed the Kitten Turkey...that was one food that Doodles liked but gave him diarrhea. It took me a while to figure out that was one of the culprits.
     
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  29. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Does his skin look "puffy" around his anus?
    Did the vet examine his back end?

    This is a long shot, but because of the similarities thought I'd bring it up...
    Years ago one of my civvies had black diarrhea, would vomit, appetite was off, his rear end was very sore, and he would hide. He just looked uncomfortable overall.

    Turned out, his anal glands needed expressing. On the way to the vet's, one of the glands burst. It had to be cleaned out and packed with an antibiotic ointment. Afterwards, he was on an ab and we rinsed his rear end daily.

    After the anal gland incident, we were told to use a warm washcloth only. You can also rinse with warm water if he'll let you. I used the kitchen sink. I put towels down in the sink so he wouldn't slide and then put his rear legs in the sink and front legs on the counter. I used the sprayer attachment on the sink to rinse with a gentle warm stream of water. It's easier if another person helps... one to hold the cat and spray, another to hold kitty's tail up.

    Like I said, this is probably a long shot, but maybe worth mentioning...

     
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  30. Judy and Boomer

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    Poor Bubba! Obviously not feeling well if he is hiding. Especially stressful for mama bean if he is running low at the same time. I don't have any suggestions for diarrhea but I see you've got some suggestions above! Hope he feels better soon.
     
  31. Bobbie And Bubba

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    It's funny you mention the kitten one, I had stopped it when I started giving Bubba the Turkey and Giblet one and that is when he started having constipation problems. One morning as I was waking up that little voice said: Turkey kitten! He needs the milk in it to help keep him moving! And it helped. I haven't given that one to him since 6/14 and I will hold off on it till he gets dry again. Karen, I am going to the health food store to get the SEB in a hour or so. Do you use just once a day or in each AM and PM feeding?
     
  32. Bobbie And Bubba

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    So far, it just looks red and irritated. The vet tech saw his bum when she took the temp. I don't think the vet looked. I am going to go down and look now and really examine it. I have been using aloe vera unscented baby wipes. I will try just a warm washcloth and maybe he'll let me do him in the sink. Maybe........ Thanks for that suggestion about he anal glands. My Sug used to have a horrible time with abscessed glands that would burst. Looked like someone shot her in the butt. :(
     
  33. granadilla

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    Bobbie, so sorry to hear your Hoover isn't hoovering and still doesn't feel good. :bighug::bighug::bighug:

    I bought SEB capsules from Whole Foods and opened up the capsules. I mixed 1/4 tsp in warm water (about 1 tablespoon) and stirred until it dissolved. It will thicken a bit as it dissolves. You can add more water if it gets too thick. Then I transferred it to a syringe. The SEB had magnesium in it but it's okay for cats.

    Do you think it could be IBD? You mentioned the vet said he might have it. Can you try some novel proteins on him and see how he does?
     
  34. Doodles & Karen

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    I use it twice a day if he's having issues, AM & PM. Then I'd go once a day to make sure he stayed cleared up before stopping. You can use it daily for maintenance. I don't as I've got him very regular with the miralax and prefer to use it as my "go-to" when needed. Doodles knows when anything in his food so it's hard for me to put anything in there and still get him to eat it.
     
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  35. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Thanks, I will do twice for now.
     
  36. granadilla

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    Whoops, forgot to say I gave it twice a day. I don't know if it worked better than Miralax or pumpkin but it's meant to be soothing to the stomach so that's why I used it (Marsh had IBD/lymphoma).
     
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  37. jayla-n-Drevon

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    Bobbie--I am just seeing this--I am sorry Bubba is having troubles... If I was closer I would express his anal sacs for you:bighug:
    With SEB there is a slurry that @Marje and Gracie makes.
    I give in capsules and make sure to give fluids (even just a little) I do size 5 capsules and pack them full (it is fluffy stuff)
    I have never made the slurry because the finicky ones refuse these things although Rico would eat it in baby food 1 time.
    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  38. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Thanks Jayla, I think I will just sprinkle it on his food and see how that goes.
     
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  39. Bobbie And Bubba

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    He is refusing to eat and he is 62 @ +6. And now he's hiding again and meatloafing. Vets tomorrow for sure. The bean is a wreck, I need to go to a fund raiser today for a few hours.....ugh.

    Is diarrhea a sign of P'titis?
     
  40. jayla-n-Drevon

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    It can be--does he seem painful in the abdomen?
    vomit?
     
  41. jayla-n-Drevon

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    I just saw meat loafing--sounds like a tummy not feeling good-
    do you give onadestron?
     
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  42. jayla-n-Drevon

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    for p-titis supportive care can really reduce the symptoms--
    nausea meds-SQ fluids-
    @tiffmaxee
    @manxcat419
     
  43. Bobbie And Bubba

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    No I 'll ask about it tomorrow. Is it for pain?
     
  44. Sharon14

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    Sending get well vines for Bubba:bighug:
     
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  45. Tiina and Hugo

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    I'm so sorry to hear he's doing worse :( It definately sounds like he has stomach pain, that is how Hugo sits when his diarrhea is bad. Sending many well wishes to Bubba and hugs to you Bobbie. :bighug:
     
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  46. Ella & Rusty & Stu(GA)

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    (((Bobbie))), I can't be of much help, but am sending you support! When Rusty needed his anal sacs expressed he would "scoot" along the rug. But he never had diarrhea, and that would certainly make everything down there raw and sore. I think Jill's suggestion is the best. Later on, a soothing (and safe) ointment that you might be able to use after the vet sees Bubba is A&D ointment. It is basically just vaseline and lanolin with a little medication added (vitamins A&D as found in cod-liver oil).

    Bubba, feel better real soon. Hugs and scritches,

    Ella & Rusty

    p.s. I don't think diarrhea is a symptom of pancreatitis.

    Yo Deputy Bubba, You just take it easy today in the lifeguard's cabin. We'll look in on you from time to time. Try to eat something, OK?
    ~ LagoonMeister Rusty
     
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  47. manxcat419

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    I'm so sorry to hear Bubba isn't feeling well. :bighug: Ondansetron is good, as is Cerenia - which one works best really depends on Bubba's reaction to it. You might want an appy stimulant as well, but please don't give one of those without an anti-nausea. Some vets prescribe just the stimulant, but that always seems a bit mean to me - I'd hate to be made hungry by something if I was nauseous! Sub-q fluids are definitely needed with ongoing diarrhea. And if it is panc, he might need a pain med too - pain can stop cats eating.
     
  48. Chrys & Stomper

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    Sorry to hear he's still not feeling well Bobbie. Sending vines for Bubba and big hugs to you :bighug::bighug:
     
  49. jayla-n-Drevon

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    I agree with April--
    I know many people here use bupe for pain.... If the nausea is beyond a certain point it can be perceived as pain and harder to catch-but it can be caught....
    Some people even use cerenia and onad together as they do somewhat different things.
    if it is the anals he should feel better pretty quickly-might be a little itchy but it will be a relief of "pressure"
    many many hugs for you and scratches for Bubba....
    :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  50. Marje and Gracie

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    Bobbie

    I am so sorry I missed this yesterday. Did you already get the SEB? If not, I usually just buy the pure powder and I make sure it is organic and QSI certified. I mix 1/4 tsp with enough filtered water to make a slurry and I syringe it as Tobey will not eat it in his food. You need to separate it from other meds by two hours and can give it up to three times a day.

    I also used ondansetron and cerenia together as they address nausea from different modalities. Cerenia can be give only once a day but the ondansetron more often. Bupe is excellent for pain if you have it. Fluids are a good idea as long as your vet prescribed and you know he has no heart issues.

    Tobey had a small issue with his anal glands and his little bottom was fire engine red. I used warm compresses on it as well.

    Sending many, many prayers.
     
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  51. tiffmaxee

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    I'm sorry I missed this yesterday as well. It very well could be pancreatitis. Have you tried giving Gerbers baby food? Sometimes Max will eat it when he feels really sick from it. I use ondansetron for nausea which is often the reason they refuse to eat. Did your vet run a SoecfPL test? I haven't read through all this or yesterday's condo yet but if this wasn't done I would. I need to do a few things and then I'll read everything. If pancreatitis there is often pain and buprenex can help with that. BBL.
     
  52. Marje and Gracie

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    Bobbie

    I thought one other thing I just started doing because, even springing, Tobey isn't crazy about SEB. When he gets stressed, he tends to get a bit softer poo with a little mucous which is indicative of stress.

    I started giving him a tiny maintenance dose of Saccaromyces boulardi twice a day and it works like a champ. I use Renew Life Advanced Immunity and just give 1/8 cap bid in a syringe but there are many other brands.

    So that you have the benefit of reading all the info, I'm attaching a great resource on Probiotics which is applicable even if kitty doesn't have IBD or lymphoma. While it is all good info, you can scroll down and read about using S. boulardii for emergency stop diarrhea and even further down, there is more info on it as well as recommended brands.

    It won't work to stop diarrhea if:
    • B12 levels we low due to IBD or lymphoma
    • Kitty has exocrine pancreatic insufficieny (very unlikely with Bubba as he doesn't have any of the symptoms)
    • Kitty is hyperT
    I've seen the different products st GNC, Whole Life, and at my local health food stores.
     
  53. granadilla

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    I also used S. boulardii for Marshmallow (and for myself, it's a good probiotic). I buy mine on Amazon but a Health food store will have it too. Don't panic that it's pancreatitis yet (easier to say than do, I know). Marshmallow meatloafed when she had a UTI because she was uncomfortable so it isn't necessarily p'titis. If he's nauseous, you could try a 1/4 tablet of a 10 mg Pepcid today. Ondansetron and Cerenia are better for nausea but you need a scrip for Ond (you can fill it at a human pharmacy; call around to find the cheapest price; I think Costco had it cheapest when I was getting it) and you can get Cerenia from the vet or online.

    So sorry you and Bubba are going through this. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  54. jayla-n-Drevon

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    Florastor which is S. boulardii you can get OTC it works miracles for Rico--and pretty fast-
    1 capsule makes about 3 size 5 capsules. If he is real runny I give it all throughout the day but even the first one will give him a more formed poo-
    :bighug::bighug:
     
  55. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Thanks everyone for the great suggestion! He is just not interested in eating. . He had some breakfast and a little bit of food today but not eating it with his regular gusto. He is very tenative, smells it, backs off, thinks about it and then proceeds slowly. Since 11 Am +4, he has not wanted to eat at all.

    If this continues, when he is due for t/f/s I am afraid to give him his normal dose. I made it a skinny dose today but think I will reduce to .25 tonight. As of right now he is hiding in the basement in a spot behind a very heavy old bar that is leaning up against the wall. I can't get to him which makes me nervous. If he comes out, I am going to have to make the basement off limits to him until he is better. sigh....
     
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  56. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Over the counter at a drug store or health food store? And what does 1 capsule makes about 3 size 5 capsules mean? Are you talking about the gel capsules for meds? I don't know anything about them or how to use them. And is runny like water with some mucus today and a spot of pink which I am assuming is some bleeding.
     
  57. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Thanks Elsie, I will ask the vet tomorrow if she thinks we should run the test. I did go to the grocery store to find Gerbers food and all they had was blends of food, no pure chicken or turkey, I was quite surprised!
     
  58. Bobbie And Bubba

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    He just throw up undigested everything that he did eat this morning and the watery diarrhea continues. Should he be seen as an emergency tonight. I am so afraid to give him his insulin. What should I do? I am quite a mess.
     
  59. Shoeskitty-GA

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    If Bubba were mine, we would be on the way to the ER now. If you go, take the insulin with you and your needles.
     
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  60. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Does your vet have an answering service? Mine does and he'll call back when it's after hours.
    If you call the ER they'll probably tell you to bring him in.

    You can always hold off on insulin for awhile...
     
  61. mucacopatarica

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    This is awful! If you think its safer to skip shot i think you should skip it.
    Hang in there Bobbie! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  62. Amy&TrixieCat

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    I think I would take him to the ER, too...sending lots and lots of prayers!!
     
  63. Chrys & Stomper

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    I would take him in too just to be safe. Sending lots of prayers. Please keep us updated when you can.
     
  64. Tiina and Hugo

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    Sending prayers...:bighug: thinking of you and Bubba!
     
  65. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Their answering machine is a recording referring me to the ER Vet.
     
  66. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    I think you'd probably feel better holding off on his insulin for now and bringing him to the ER to be checked out...
     
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  67. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I did call the ER and they said to bring his insulin with me. My gut says I should go he is getting worse instead of better.
     
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  68. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I will keep everyone posted. I am off.
     
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  69. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Then go. We'll be with you in spirit.
    Update when you can...

    :bighug:
     
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    Sending lots of good thoughts your way!!! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Sending lots and lots of healing vines to Bubba.
     
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  72. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    I think the ER is a good decision. Prayers prayers prayers.

    Holding you all close in thought and sending vines, snowflakes, and white light.

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  73. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Sending our strongest healing vines Bubbas way. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  74. manxcat419

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    Vines and healing white light for Bubba, and many hugs for you Bobbie. I think taking Bubba to the ER is the right decision - you can't be too careful with continued vomiting and diarrhea. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Oh, sweet Bubba!! Sending healing vines your way!!!

    Hang in there Bobbie. :bighug::bighug:
     
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  76. jayla-n-Drevon

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    Sending loads of prayers and vines for you and Bubba.....:bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  77. Bobbie And Bubba

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    They want to keep him and I not letting them. He wanted to do blood work but I'll get that at his regular vet I asked them to do sub q fluids something for the vomiting and an appetite stimulate. What's a good one? And the metro AB. I will take him to his regular vet tomorrow.
     
  78. Bobbie And Bubba

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    He doesn't think there is a blockage either. He said maybe pancreatitis ? Am I doing the right thing bringing him home? I'm second guessing myself
     
  79. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    I would get a shot of cerenia and ask for onadsetron for nausea--
    cypro for appy--
    def. get the SQ
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  80. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    Might be good for them to run a IV line?? see what others think--they can give meds IV so he doesn't have to eat if nauseated.
     
  81. jayla-n-Drevon

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  83. jayla-n-Drevon

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    Bobbie does the place feel ok to you? Do you trust them?
    How is Bubba reacting? Is he fighting anything or lethargic?
     
  84. Sharon14

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    Will someone be there all night?
     
  85. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    I would be surprised if they will let you take him home with an IV line. There are too many things that can go wrong. But if you mean leave him there with an IV line, it’s possible it can help. You can get more supportive fluids in them with an IV line than you can with subq fluids but be sure they listen to his heart carefully.

    It’s a hard decision to make. I brought Gracie home the first night I took her to the ER and often wonder if I should have left her. You have to do what your gut tells you and the comfort level you have with the ER. What are they saying the dx is if it’s not pancreatitis?

    I’m not a big fan of metronidazole because it can cause neurologic issues if they aren’t really careful but perhaps a very short course....7 days...at a reasonable dose would be ok. I’ll see if I can find the dosing because I’ve often seen vets dose it a little too high for my comfort.

    Yes...I’d get cerenia and a script for ondansetron (Costco carries it cheaper than anywhere I’ve seen it other than online). Cyproheptadine as an appy stimulant.

    Can you do subqs at home?
     
  86. Bobbie And Bubba

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    No he wants to get in his carrier. The vet tech is giving fluids now. My vet practice doesn't recommend this hospital but it's close. I think it will freak him to have to stay.
     
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  87. Bobbie And Bubba

    Bobbie And Bubba Well-Known Member

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    I have never given them. If they do now that will get me through till tomorrow.
     
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  88. Libby and Lucy

    Libby and Lucy Senior Member Moderator

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    (((((Bobbie))))) I don't have any advice to offer, but I wanted to let you know I'm thinking of you and Bubba. Hopefully this will pass quickly. I'm glad you acted quickly.
     
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  89. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    go with your gut--can you take the bag of fluids....
    Cerenia--onadsetron and cypro-
    you got this!
     
  90. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    if he is very dehydrated it would be good to give more later--they can show you how-
     
  91. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    there is a video in the forum as well....
     
  92. Sienne and Gabby (GA)

    Sienne and Gabby (GA) Senior Member Moderator

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    Most vets don't ask to keep your kitty overnight if they don't think it's necessary. They know a cat will be more comfortable in familiar surroundings so it's not a request that should be made lightly. Do you know why your vet has reservations? Have they run labs? Are his electrolytes OK? (Diarrhea can throw them off and until they normalize, Bubba will feel lousy. You can't monitor electrolytes at home.)
     
  93. Bobbie And Bubba

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    He gave the ceremia injection. He won't give me an spot stimulate. He said it for cats with cancer! Seriously!!!hopefully I will get him through the the night and we'll see his vet tomorrow and I can get the other meds. He sending me home with Pepcid generic also.
     
  94. Bobbie And Bubba

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    They wanted to run BW but I said I"ll have his vet do tomorrow. I would rather him be in the hospital near my house. Won't the sub q help restore his electrolytes?Hope I'm not making a mistake.
     
  95. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Yes, they should help.
    If you bring him home I'd be prepared to syringe food and water every couple hours throughout the night... unless he starts eating on his own and keeping it down.

    It's a tough decision, Bobbie.
    :bighug:
     
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  96. Carol & Murphy (GA)

    Carol & Murphy (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Bobbie - I am just seeing this - since I didn't hear from you I thought everything was ok
    Are you still at the vet? If they think it's pancreatitis (sounds like it) what about a pain shot as well
    If your regular vet doesn't recommend the place, I'd be leary unless you feel you can't bring him home
     
  97. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    Most clinics have Normosol which I don’t like subq because it stings so I think lactated ringers is better. Either will help with electrolytes.

    The dosing on metronidazole is 15 mg/kg every 12 hours so if he weighs round 12 pounds, that would be 81 mg every 12 hours. The pills usually come in 250 mg and you give 1/4 bid. That dose would be fine if he can tolerate it without nausea and vomiting. Some cats cannot and it tastes terrible so you have to be sure and get it in him. Another option is Tylosin. He needs food with both of them, though, so you need to be able to get food in him.

    Be sure you check that the pepcid (famotodine) is 10 mg; dosing is 1/4 tab once or twice a day.

    Once you get him settled, I really think the S. boulardii is a very good idea for the diarrhea. Did they do a stool sample to see if he could have gotten some Clostridium difficile?
     
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  98. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    I agree the SQ will help (lactated ringers)
    most cats like the ham gerber 2 stage baby food-
    I have used Tylosin and it is very bitter--do you have empty capsules?
     
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  99. jayla-n-Drevon

    jayla-n-Drevon Well-Known Member

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    if your still at the vet maybe you can get a can of A/D --is easy to syringe and high calorie--
    not a fan of Hills but just a little will be calories and fluids (is mostly organ meat)
     
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  100. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    Yes...Tylosin is bitter and metronidazole isn’t much better. Gel caps for either would probably be important
     
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