Wysong Anergen

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  1. Sean & Rufus

    Sean & Rufus Well-Known Member

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    Hi all-

    Does anybody know the carb count of this food: https://www.wysong.net/anergen ? I know, I know. It's dry food. Please don't judge me. Need a dry food for kitties and YA LID isn't cutting it.
     
  2. Nan & Amber (GA)

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    I don't know for sure because the label doesn't list the Ash content, but it looks pretty high-- the calculator I used suggests something like 40% carbs :eek:. Even without the calculator, since the second ingredient is brown rice, followed by things like sweet potato, it doesn't look like a good choice for a diabetic, unfortunately :(.

    I forget-- have you tried Dr. Elsey's Clean Protein food? That is supposed to be low-carb, I don't know if it would agree with Rufus' need for less allergenic food, though.
     
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    Yeah, I have that one too. Both cats won't eat that either :banghead::banghead::arghh:
     
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    I might have to get a higher carb food and just adjust his insluin up. Definelty not the solution I want, but things are not going good. I could try mixing the YA food half and half with another hypoallergic food and hope they eat that.
     
  5. JanetNJ

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    Not sure on that one... Wynsong epigen 90 is supposedly about 5.5%
     
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    Maybe email and ask the as fed carb content.
     
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    It is what it is. The important thing is that he eats something and it doesn't make him feel yucky. He'll have a much better quality of life doing that and a slightly higher insulin dose than on a lower dose and miserable.
     
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    Yeah, I was looking at that one first. Sounds good, but I really need to try a novel protein. Although at this point he could be allergic to peas for all I know.
     
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    If you're lucky, once you find a hypoallergenic food that he can eat, sometimes these food intolerances/IBD can calm themselves down. One of my cats was unable to handle chicken (of all things) for quite a while, but I eventually was able to reintroduce it into her diet so that now she can eat most regular commercial foods. So as much of pain as this is, it may not be forever.
     
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    Yeah, I have to call them and Royal Canin too. I'm thinking most of these are around 40%. Ugh. Really really wish he would just eat the YA LID. Life would be so simple :rolleyes:
     
  11. Sean & Rufus

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    Totally. I was talking to the IM specialist and she was more concerned/excited that he might go in remission. That would be awesome, but not if he won't eat and scratches himself and has IBD.
     
  12. Sean & Rufus

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    Pretty sure he is allergic to turkey, but who knows if that applies to other poultry as well. Keep getting different answers. And as of right now it's SO SO difficult to get him to eat. Nauseaous all the time. I almost want to put him on pred for a couple months as see if that calms his GI down enough to eat the novel foods. I really don't want to, but...
     
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    He might have multiple issues-- allergic to one or more things, and then the IBD flareups he gets from that trigger some other secondary intolerances. So hard to isolate. I think the best thing to do is what you are doing, just keep working to find something that works for him, whatever the ingredient list.
     
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    Oh, they are both mature. Rufus is 12 and Ozzie is 8.
     
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    Hard thing is really the only symptoms are constipation, nausea, and itching and scratching. I'll have to try a food for at least 60 days before I know whether or not it's ok for him.
     
  17. Sean & Rufus

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    Which calculator do you use??
     
  18. Nan & Amber (GA)

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    first one that popped up on Google

    http://fnae.org/carbcalorie.html

    I actually have no idea whether this one is more or less accurate than any other-- I sort of always figure when doing this that you're at best going to get a "ballpark" number in any case.
     
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    Actually, this one looks a bit better (#2 on Google!):

    http://scheyderweb.com/cats/catfood.html

    It agrees with the first one on "wet matter" carbs, but goes on to also calculate a "dry matter" number, which is says is a better indicator.

    The thing about all of these that you have to keep in mind is that what is on the nutrition label is just the minimum and maximum numbers for nutrients, not actual values-- so you really don't know what's actually in what you are feeding unless you call the company and they choose to give you that info. Like I said, ballpark at best.
     
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    Thank you! I think I'll use the calculators and then call the food companies tomorrow and see how the numbers match up.
     
  21. Sean & Rufus

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    So I think I found a "lower" carb option. Instinct LID rabbit is 32% carbs. If I can mix it half & half with YA LID 16 % carbs.

    Brings me to next question. Is it ok to mix dry foods together? I knwo if you switch foods you mix them together for a bit.
     
  22. JanetNJ

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    Young Again Zero Carb LIMITED food is around 1%.
     
  23. Sean & Rufus

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    Oh I meant if I mix the 2 one is 32, and the young again is "0" then, total would be 16%
     
  24. Nan & Amber (GA)

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    Depends on how good Rufus is at picking out the stuff he likes ;)!
     
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    hahaha true!
     
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