Gracie isn't eating

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  1. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I'm going to lose my mind!

    Gracie is just refusing to eat more than a couple bites. I've tried her Food Fur Life with steak (I know), 3 different Friskies Pate flavors, 4 different Nulo flavors, and a few FF. Nothing is good enough.
    I have heated it up, and even sprinkled cheese, and crumbled these salmon bites. Nope.

    I haven't updated SS, but she was in the 70's. both AMPS and PMPS today and last night. I used my ketone meter tonight and she was negative.

    She isn't necessarily acting different. I would say more "needy" and "clingy"

    It's been 24hrs tonight.

    When to worry?
     
  2. Kris & Teasel

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    I’d say 24 hours is long enough. To be safe a vet visit is in order and possibly meds for nausea, appetite stimulant, quick test for pancreatitis, etc. I always worry about the onset of hepatic lipidosis after not eating for more than 24 hours.
     
  3. Rachel

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    I agree. I'd go straight to the vet. If nothing else, the sooner you go, the sooner she feels better and it's less worry time for you too! Plus the sooner she goes, the easier it is to treat probably. Please let us know Teenuh!
     
  4. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Update: I fell asleep shortly after posting. I woke up a few hours later and cut up some steak up. I put it right in front of her and went back to sleep. When I checked this morning it was gone.
    I opened another can of food and put some in her plate. She ate, but only 1/4 of it.

    I just got off the phone with my vet. She is completely booked today. She offered to call if someone canceled and said she could write a script for Zofran for me in the meantime to see if that helps.

    She said I could take her to the 24hr vet and she could call ahead, or I could monitor and make an appointment for early next week and take to 24hr vet if it didn't improve or got worse.

    Thoughts?
     
  5. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Update: my vet said her colleague could see her at 11am.

    Do I tell the vet she is off insulin. I know she will ask. Not sure how that will go.

    My guess is they will want to do a
    fructosamine once they hear she isn’t on insulin. Seems like a waste of money, but should I allow?

    I just want to go into the appointment and know what I’m looking for. And not be persuaded into stuff that I don’t need or Gracie doesn’t need.
     
  6. Rachel

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    So glad to hear she ate something! Even getting a bit of food in is a huge relief.

    I'd print a copy of the SS and bring with you. If they ask, you can explain that she's off insulin because her numbers aren't high enough to give it safely and show it to them. Let them know you are still willing and able to test at home.

    As for the fructo, that's your call. It's not needed as you know how to test at home. I didn't do those after the first time...and my vet stopped suggesting it after I brought my SS to her! She said I knew what I was doing and it was exactly what she'd do. But my vet was for home testing from the beginning (even though she didn't push it like I think she should have). If you're worried about the vet's reaction, you could agree to the fructo. I'd probably refuse it...and maybe even say that right now you simply can't afford additional tests since she's already feeling poorly and you'd like to get that under control before doing any other testing? Might ease things a bit. I can tell you that you DO NOT need the fructo...but if you get it, I understand. :)

    As for what you're looking for...they'll probably do blood work to see if her white count is high, maybe give fluids if she is dehydrated, which she probably is. They might want to give her a few meds...cerenia for nausea, some sort of appy stimulant, b12 maybe (I think that can stimulate appetite), and maybe something else. You could ask about the possibility of pancreatitis. I don't know much about it, but I think they can do a quick yes/no test right there for it (snap I think it's called?).

    Whatever they do, I'd ask the doctor to explain it in detail, and help you to understand what is going on. Then ask for next steps. And get some meds to take home with you...appy stimulant, maybe cerenia if they give that. That way, you can have something to help at home if needed. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  7. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Gracie refused to get in her carrier. I tried for about 20 mins. She obviously had enough energy to fight me.
    It's okay. I just carried her to my car and inside the vets office.

    Temperature was normal. Vet didn't question the remission. Although, she did give a brief lecture on changing doses or seizing insulin without first talking to them. She suggested a more recent fructosamine to have on file, but I declined.

    She did blood work. No results until the end of the day. :( And apparently, I did a fPLI a few months ago and it came back "normal".

    She didn't want to test it again--unless these new labs come back normal. She said she could, but she wanted me to wait at least until these labs came back and go from there.

    She also said she could be constipated, but she said OTC miralax will work if that is is the cause. But if she's not eating much that might be hard.

    She then said . . . it could be with the weather changes your cat just doesn't feel good. And she also said your cat could just be sad.
    I'm not a vet, but I don't think my cat is sad. I do sometimes worry she is sad though . . . especially when I'm gone more. I don't think that is the cause of her lack of interest in food though.

    She sent me home with script for Zofran. She offered Cerenia, but the office was out. The shipment comes in Monday. She sent it to their sister 24hr vet if I wanted to pick it up.
    What do you think? Should I try Zofran first? or is Cerenia my better option to start?
     
  8. Kris & Teasel

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    I've read here that brand name Zofran is very $$$ but the generic ondansetron is much cheaper. I've also read that some people use both Cerenia and ondansetron for nausea because they target different receptors in the brain. I've only ever used Cerenia for Teasel and it worked well.
     
  9. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    VERY pricey! Over $300. She didn't check the box for OK generic. I'm sure an error.

    Is Cerenia pricey too? I've heard more about that . . . and more interested in that one.
     
  10. Kris & Teasel

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    I don't recall but I don't think so. It's vet med so you could call and ask. Nowhere near Zofran!
     
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  11. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Yes, cheaper! Still a little pricey, but doable. If it's something I'll do long term I'd possibly look for it at Costco, or other places.
    I just called to follow up, as they close at 4. They said the doctors are swamped and they may not get back to me until Monday. Ugh.

    If it comes down to it I will take her to 24hr vet. She has ate a tiny bit more sense, but not much.
    Part of me regrets not going straight there instead, but it was a cheaper route to go to my vet during day hours. Although, if I have to take her there they'll probably do labs again.

    I'm just glad I have the weekend off.

    Update: My normal vet just called me. She told me they had the Cerenia there. Going to pickup.
    She said she doesn't like Zofran for cats.
     
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  12. JanetNJ

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    I'm going to try the liver shake for my outside feral that isn't feeling well. She's barely eaten the last two days. I hope she didn't get poisoned from all the round up the neighbor sprayed. I couldn't get her to eat tuna. She ate a few kibble. I opened a can of gravy food and a packet of FortiFlora... She took about 10 licks which is at least SOMETHING. It's hard when you can't really even touch her. :(
     
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  13. Djamila

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    I just have a sec, so this will be brief - generic Zolfran is fine for cats - lots use it for p-titis, cerenia works too though, so if that’s what you can get tonight, go for it. Hope Gracie feels better soon!
     
  14. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    My vet came out to talk to me while I was there. She says Gracie did not have a P-titis test. She had another test that checked for "possible" P-titis.
    I'm supposed to give 8mg every 24hrs for the next few days and monitor.

    She thinks its very likely Gracie has it. She also mentioned what Kris said "Fatty liver". UGHHH

    Anyway, she said to check P-titis they have the send the lab to and outside source. She said to think about it and let her know if I want to do it. She also made it seem like sometimes they just go based on symptoms and other labs and assume cats have it and treat the symptoms.

    Is this something you think I should do? She said the test isn't cheap.




    It sucks seeing our felines sick and not their normal self. :(
     
  15. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    It definitely makes it harder when they can't exactly tell us what is going on.

    And you have a feral too. Kudos to you for trying though. Its all we can do.
     
  16. Kris & Teasel

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    If I recall the "big" pancreatitis test is in the $200 range. Teasel had it once very early after his diagnosis. When Teasel was off his food quite a while ago the vet told me they often treat the symptoms as if it's pancreatitis: Cerenia, pain meds, maybe sub Q fluids. At that visit he got a Cerenia shot and I gave him pills for a day or two at home, that's all. Turns out Teasel likely had upset tummy from gravy in HC food I'd given to steer him out of lime green.
     
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  17. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I'm glad it likely wasn't pancreatitis. Our felines are tough though.

    I don't know if I want to do the test . . . if she is willing to treat what she thinks Gracie has then why waste money, and put it towards a future needed test, or medication or even treatment.

    I looked back in my notepad in my testing box and it looks like I've documented a few times over the last few months when she just doesn't eat. I assumed it was a food protest, but now I'm wondering if those were signs and I just didn't notice due to work or school.

    I would expect BG to be high though with a flare. :bookworm:
     
  18. Rachel

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    I think that big test you are talking about is the one that gives you a number to tell you the grade of p-titis. The other one is the quick yes/no they do in house, but a lot of people skip it and go straight for the more expensive test.

    I can't tell you for sure what I'd do. If the vet is willing to treat, it might be easier to skip the test. The reality is there's no way to cure it, so the test will just tell you something for sure, but the treatment would be the same I think. However, it might make you feel better to know for sure. But I'm not sure...I just don't have any experience with it. This was a very wishy-washy paragraph, I realize. :joyful:

    Here's something to read while thinking about it: Primer on Pancreatitis. We may have given it to you before, so if we have, forgive me! I just know it has lots of good info in it.

    Why not take some times and read that primer and do some other research and then decide on the test? After all, you don't have to make any decisions right now...you can take time to think first. I hope Gracie is feeling better tonight!
     
  19. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I feel like it would be easier to just treat it. I know having a definite and 100% certain would be great, but I also worry I'll worry to much over the number and think the worst case scenario. IF I do the test I think I'll wait until after the semester (3 weeks) otherwise I'll be more focuses on the test than my studies.

    My little binder of FD just keeps getting a little bigger. I liked that read. I was actually digging around on Google PhD for more clues prior to your post and it kept leading back here to the message boards threads.

    I gave her a new bowl with fresh food and she ate 3 bites and was done. At least it was something.

    PS: Your paragraph wasn't wishy-washy. You just weren't trying to persuade me one way or the other. Unbiased. :)
     
  20. Steph & Quintus & L & O

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    So, given Quintus has chronic pancreatitis (that's what caused his diabetes), I've been banging my head against it quite a bit. The Spec fPLi test will indeed give you a number. BUT that number isn't even really indicative of the severity of the pancreatitis. It could, but not always. Basically, it depends on the symptoms. Quintus's PLi are sky-high (beyond what the machine can read). But he's eating fine and not vomiting. My vet checked again with the lab, and they said "symptoms trump numbers".

    So in your case, I'd treat the symptoms.

    One useful thing to know is that cats often develop triaditis: the pancreatitis upsets the gut bacterial balance, and because of how the tubing is set up in the cat (slightly different from us) bacteria can end up going up the bile duct and infecting the gallbladder. That's what happened to Quintus. The infection doesn't show up in blood tests, but in his case, the state of the gallbladder was visible on the ultrasound, so we treated for that (with ursochol, marboflaxin, convenia, mainly). So if you do want to do extra investigations, you might want to go for an ultrasound. But frankly, if your vet is willing to treat "as is", I'd go for that.

    (There's a FB group for cats with pancreatitis, btw. Have you found it?)
     
  21. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I'm definitely trying to treat the symptoms, and if she doesn't improve I'll have to investigate other options to figure out what is going on.

    As I look back I thought she was food protesting, but now I'm starting to wonder if she was was having a flare up. I may never know, and over analyzing it will drive me nuts.

    Vet didn't give me pain meds, as she said not all cats have pain. Well, I'm thinking she might be in pain. She doesn't like moving. Pretty much stayed her in spot for 8hrs last night.

    I haven't found the FB group. I'm trying hard to limit my Facebook usage, but maybe I'll check it out. Thanks Stephanie.
     
  22. Rachel

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    If it was me, I'd call the vet when they open and let them know that she's acting like she's in pain and you want bupe. Vets for some reason don't seem to think cats feel pain as much and are reluctant to give pain meds. But you know Gracie...if she seems to be in pain she probably is. Especially since cats hide pain well...so if you notice it, it's probably there. I had to fight a bit to get bupe for Tigress but now that she's on it the vet seems comfortable with it. He knows me and that I won't abuse it, but also we talked about how Tigress isn't young...she probably won't live to be very old (she's just not in great health) and I'd rather keep her comfortable and happy for however long she has...so when she needs meds, I want to be able to give them to her. I have a standing Rx for bupe now and I can go get it when I need it...and that's nice to have.
     
  23. Djamila

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    Pain is hard to detect in cats. I think mama-sense is one of the best indicators. When Sam is in pain he stops jumping up on things because he doesn't want to jump down, and when he does have to jump down he makes a little sound. He also holds tension in his body when he's in pain. It's subtle, but his posture doesn't relax, even when he's sleeping. He sits hunched and tries to keep pressure off his belly.

    I agree with what Rachel just posted about asking for the bupe. I give Sam a very small dose (half of the syringe) because he's sensitive to it, but some cats need an even larger dose. You'll just have to see what makes Gracie relax. Vets usually don't prescribe it unless we ask for it. And even then it's just a few days at a time and it's rather expensive since it's an opioid. Worth every penny though.

    I've had some success treating with CBD (3-4 drops BID) when the pain is on the milder side. You may also need an appetite stimulant (Cyproheptadine or Mirtazapine) if she's refusing to eat. Keep very careful track of her calories/day right now. No guessing. Weigh or measure the food so you know how she's doing. Fatty liver develops with lack of calories and is one of the biggest things that leads to a bad prognosis. So either the appetite stimulant works or you assist feed her, but don't let her go without calories.

    If you can't get something for her today, then feed her whatever she will eat. Don't even worry about carbs right now. She just needs to eat something. Once a cat stops eating it's hard to get them to start again, so get some food into her today.

    As far as raising BG, that is a very typical sign, but not always present. There are cats that have p-titis and don't have diabetes. Keep an eye on it though and see how she's doing.

    I guess the reason for the test would be if she doesn't have p-titis and this is being caused by something else. But for now I think treating it like it is isn't going to hurt her and then see how she's doing when you're on your school break. She may be fine by then and it won't even matter. Lots of cats have one p-titis attack and it goes away. They aren't all chronic! Hugs to you and chin scratches for Gracie! Sending healing vines your way!
     
  24. Rachel

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    I've used CBD oil for Tigress too. It's supposed to be great for inflammation, pain, and nausea. It's been used as an appetite stimulant. I'd say it doesn't replace traditional meds, but it couldn't hurt to add it as well. I don't think it's worked as well as I'd like with Tigress, but I do feel that it helps some. It's legal in all 50 states as long as it doesn't have THC in it. If you want more info, let me and Djamila know. We can point you to what we use. :)
     
  25. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    All I have done today in lay in bed with my iPad reading my Microbiology textbook. I had a whole list of errands to run and I didn't do. I don't want to leave her. Ugh.
    Although hovering over her probably doesn't help.

    I know she is in pain and it breaks my heart. I almost took her to Er vet earlier to get the Bupe. I thought I was being a little dramatic though. I made her a vet appointment "in case" yesterday when I picked up the Cerenia, but it isn't until Wednesday. I'm going to see if I can get her in tomorrow. Even though vet will treat symptoms I'm guessing she'll still want 1 technical appointment for a pain med.


    I'm definitely going to ask for the Bupe. I'll ask for the appetite stimulant. Is one better than the other?
     
  26. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I'll let her know. I'm definitely interested. Is it OK to mix that with the Bupe though?
     
  27. Rachel

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    Yep! I mix them. I've heard that you should give meds 2 hours away from the CBD...but I don't do it. I've given bupe and CBD within 20 min of each other and it works just fine. Most of the people I know don't worry about that either. As far as I know, there's no interactions..and I've been using them together for QUITE awhile now!
     
  28. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    Just a warning I recently learned with Baby having pancreatitis. Mirtz, the drug for appetite is also called meowzapine. She paced & meowed all day!!! Aaargh! Vet said a 1/4 tablet- someone here said the 1/8 tablet will lesson the side effects. After 2 days Baby quit eating again so I gave 1/8 & she was then fine. @Djamila had another drug she mentioned for her that has less side effects.
     
  29. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    @Teenuh.
    I also felt like I was running a pharmaceuticals company in my home. Baby & I hated every bit & I felt like I needed a timer & schedule to admister what & when!
    Bupe
    Cerenia
    Fortiflora
    Sub q B12
    Mirtazapine
    Then more diahpoo so metronidazole...
    but she ran a CBC with pancreatic numbers & it was $129
    Just an FYI if any of this pertains or matters now. Good luck & I hope this helps... :bighug:
    if only they could talk!
     
  30. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Ya know Becky, I was actually reading your post about that over the weekend. I could only imagine how obnoxious that must have been.
     
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    I felt like I was running a full kitty cafeteria the other day. I had out like 8-10 cans of kitty food, and her FFL raw stuff.

    I would see y'all with your meds for cats talking about Bupe and Cerenia and I thought to myself . . . I must be lucky to not to have to give Gracie anything.

    Does the Cernenia help baby?

    Also, do you buy the meds from the vet directly?


    I don't remember what a "senior" panel cost is, but I've done that the last 2 years. I did something on Saturday. Hoping I get results today. She still hasn't improved much.

    I think I cried the whole way to work last night.

    My best friends dog died of a fatty liver about 8 months ago prior to him moving to Alaska. In the end he had internal bleeding. All I could think about was Gracie having internal bleeding while I'm work.
     
  32. Kris & Teasel

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    Deep breaths, Teenuh ... :bighug::bighug:
     
  33. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Thanks for the reminder Kris. :bighug:

    She ate a little this morning. There was an empty bowl when I came home, but I can't remember if I emptied last night prior to leaving.

    Either way. I'm going to leave out the extra food today. I measured it . . . so tomorrow AM when I come home I'll know how much she ate.

    Someone said to ask my vet about Hills A/D wet food. It's supposed to be "appetizing". I looked on food list and it's 12% carbs. :nailbiting:

    I figured I'd ask on here prior to running to the vet and asking for it.
     
  34. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    @Teenuh yes Because she did vomit a couple times (before visit) & I gave her 1/4 pill each morning. I do think the meowzapine worked well- in a couple hours she was meowing & eating. Just not the dose the vet recommended ever again! I used a pill splitter of course. And I did buy it all there just because I needed it, & Baby needed it now. It wasn’t that bad cost wise. The bupe was the highest I believe. I’ll be saying a prayer for you both today... baby is still having loose stinky poo but I’m just tired of torturing her! It has improved so there’s that...
    I think I had 7 cans of all types of cat food open at one point & her having none of it! It’s a bad thing that pancreatitis.
     
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  35. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    P--titis is an evil disease!

    I'll be sure to re-read this thread and get clarity prior to dosing if its the same one.
    I'm going to request it though. They didn't even give my 2 message to the vet. One was a follow up because I didn't hear back. I just got a VM asking how the Cerenia helped Gracie. Well, you'd know had you got the messages I sent you requesting a pain pills.

    I called back to be told "I don't see any notes in our system". This is why I prefer to do it by email, but I feel like calling them is supposed to be quicker.

    I think Gracie is better. She at least semi greeted me this morning.

    So, the potential argument I can see my vet giving me: If she isn't flaring now I'm guessing she'll be less likely to give the bupe. The primary reason I want it is . . . so when this happens again I'll be prepared and not scrambling around on a Saturday trying to get medication, or even worse on a Sunday having to go to the Er. Does my request sound doable, or do you think I'm asking a bit much?

    @Djamila and @Kris & Teasel would do you think about the food suggested above? Carb content is higher, but allegedly it is supposed to taste really good.
     
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    You won’t want to feed it to her all the time, but when they aren’t eating, you feed whatever they will eat.

    Cats will often permanently refuse whatever they were eating when they got sick because they associate the food with the pain, so it may be a process to find her food that she will eat once this passes.

    Thankfully that hasn’t happened with Sam (yet), but it might be because I feed him a zillion different foods anyway, so he wouldn’t know what to blame it on :cool:.

    Don’t tell the vet she’s feeling better. Get the bupe. I agree that you want to have it on hand. Sam inevitably starts feeling sick on a Friday night - or when I have a super busy day and can’t get to the vet. It’s nice to have some in the house.
     
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    Ok. Maybe I'll buy it , and see where it goes. I was going to mention lying to my vet and saying she is still feeling ill, but I wasn't sure how well that would go over with you crazy cat ladies. :smuggrin:
     
  38. Rachel

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    I agree...just tell the vet you've noticed signs of pain and get the bupe. Having it right here when I need it makes my life much easier. I know that the second Tigress shows signs of pain, I can pop some into her and she'll be better soon. I don't have to call the vet, make a trip out there, etc. When I get down to 1 or 2 syringes of it left, I call the vet and get a refill just so I'll have it if I need it!

    The AD is supposed to be way tastier than other foods for whatever reason...let us know how it works next time she refuses food!
     
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  39. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    Yes - my vet is very stingy with the bupe! And it was $50 for 10 doses... no refills. Don’t they understand we just want our cats to be pain free, I can tell when she hurts! ?? I saved 1 -
    Just give it to me please! No I’m not giving it to anyone but my precious Baby! Do I look like a drug dealer? Gimme a break- just a old crazy cat lady that loves her babe!
     
  40. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Yep, my vet is being super stingy about Bupe! :stop: They said they generally only give out 5-7 days worth of doses at a time--unless that pet has cancer, or something like that.

    I showed up this morning, and she wanted to see Gracie herself. I told her you can look in the notes. I pleaded me case. I said when she flares (like she is doing now) . . . I want everything I need on hand. I don't want to be calling at 4:30pm, or Saturday morning trying to get a last minute appointment. She said "lets just take things one step at a time".

    I told her the problem I had on Saturday (Gracie just refusing to get in the carrier). I had to carry her in--not something I really like doing.

    Blood work was inconclusive. Not enough was taken. Hence the no results. They want to redo, I agreed but refused to pay. I was a little irritated at that point. Otherwise that is another $240ish.
    I can't get her in until Monday though. I'm going to try to move some of my schedule around tomorrow, but I don't know if I can do it. I have a few meetings at work.

    She appears to be back to be kind of back to normal. She wouldn't eat any of the food LC food. She did eat 1/4 can of the a/d.
     
  41. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    Cerenia will help sooth my vet said. I was told to give Baby (9 lbs) 1/2 tablet each morning during this bout. Maybe this will help. Also the b12 or zobaline you could get online to help support the pancreas. I don’t quite understand; as I thought it to be more for neuro but she states it helps in healing. I only have the liquid shot kind & do not know about the pills.
    I don’t blame you for being irritated! It’s hard enough to get them there w/o illness! And not your fault they messed up the labs! I’m glad she ate some, that’s encouraging. Good luck for tomorrow :bighug: for you!
     
  42. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I just reread my last post. I swear I can type & think at the same time. Ha ha.

    Appointment will have to be Monday. Unless things get worse.
     
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    Dang! Yeah my vet gives me 6 doses at a time...it’s a controlled substance so he can’t give me more. But I just go get more when I need it...as I pointed out to him last time we went in she isn’t a young cat and with her health issues I don’t expect her to live to a really old age...and I want her comfortable as long as she is with me.

    Until you can get the bupe situation settled I’d really consider CBD oil. It’s not as good as bupe but it’s something at least. And maybe look up some studies about bupe for p-titis and bring them in? I understand the vets concern but you’re asking for pain meds...they know she’s ill. And for heavens sake it’s not like they give you enough to abuse it!!!
     
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  44. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    I need to try some cbd myself! @Rachel Do you or have you taken it? Baby & I could share... or maybe human is different. I keep saying I need to get done but it is expensive I think.
     
  45. Rachel

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    I've tried a bit of it...not much because it is expensive! I do think it would work well for us humans too though. I buy the human version of the CBD oil for Tigress so I could share with her if I wanted to. :)
     
  46. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I know Rachel! I was so sure she was going to give me some, but noooooooooo. Of course she was more than happy to give me the a/d food wet food. I paid about $10 for 3 cans. It make Gracie's poo stink though. It was awful. I fell asleep briefly this morning and her stinky poo woke me up.

    Whatever, if I have to pay for a stinking office visit I better get the Bupe. Hell, I expect more Cerenia, appetite stimulant too.

    How old is your kitty you give it to Rachel?

    I think I found a spot. Going to give them a call in the morning.
     
  47. Djamila

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    The stinky poo is a pretty normal side effect when introducing a new food. If she's doing well though, you might want to hold onto those other two cans in case she gets another flare at some point. Fingers crossed she never ever does this again!
     
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  48. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    Oh yes. I'm not returning it. I left out FFL tonight and Friskies. Hopefully she eats them.

    If she doesn't. . . I'm guessing give her the HC food?

    Oh yeah, she gained a lb since the last time I weight her. :eek:
     
  49. Djamila

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    Whoa! Maybe she hasn't been sick, maybe she's just been on a diet! :p
     
  50. Rachel

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    Tigress is 13. The bupe is good for her as it helps her settle down and feel better without zonking her out. I gave it to Elektra before and it made her a zombie...she slept for hours after!

    When you go in for the office visit, I'd definitely introduce the topic of bupe again. Explain why you want it on hand and ask what their objections are.
     
  51. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I seriously couldn't believe the scale when I looked at it.
     
  52. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I will definitely be asking. I have a list of things I want:
    -Cerenia
    -Appetite helper
    -Bupe
    -1 million dollars :D

    I don't know if she had "'flares" before, but my SS shows several instances where she felt "ill" and was what I thought food protesting. Either way . . . I think it's good evidence.
     
  53. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    She’s not eating AGAIN. Ugh
    Mood is okay though. Well, appears okay.

    Not even eating the a/d high fat stuff.

    She was jumping up to her food bowl earlier like she wanted to eat, but nothing.
     
  54. Tina and Gracie (GA)

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    I just popped into the vets office again . One of the perks of having the office less than five minutes from my house.

    I asked for an appetite upper. The doctor on duty said that is what Cerenia is for. I said that is for nausea.

    I don’t think she was comfortable with me asking for specific medication by the name. She kind of gave me a look like where did you hear the stuff from.

    They suggested I drop my cat off and go to work and pick her up after work. She said that could do an exam in between patients. No, I need to be there.
    I offered to bring her in for a tech appointment draw labs bring her home and have the doctor call me. Guess that wasn’t good enough.

    Gracie would’ve been uncomfortable hanging out in a kennel for eight hours.

    They are supposed to call me if someone cancels. Otherwise I tweaked my schedule on Saturday to take her in.

    Update: Vet agreed to give me appetite upper "mirtazapine". @Becky & Baby Girl Kitty isn't this the one with the nick name mewozapine?
     
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  55. Steph & Quintus & L & O

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    That's the one! :)
     
  56. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    Yes this is meowzapine! ECID... I’d try 1/8 tab of a 15 mg tab. The 1/4 made her crazy...
    just saw this & I did check the bottle to make sure this time!! It also states every 72 hrs. Baby only needed 2 doses & she was eating again.
     
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