Taco 9/24/18

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  1. Cindy&Taco

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    Did test @ 6A BG 155, that's 4 hours pre shot for today. Going to bed :) Daughter will take over @ 9A, test feed and shoot after she wakes me up with his 10A preshot BG number.
     
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  3. Cindy&Taco

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    Taco is at BG 90 , now 45 minutes from shot time, confused as to what to do.
     
  4. Leah

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    Well, will you be around today to test and deal with any too-low numbers?
     
  5. Cindy&Taco

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    yes , I will
     
  6. Cindy&Taco

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    h e didnt eat any of his meal from 3am, but is crying like he wants to be fed.
     
  7. Olive & Paula

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    Testing condo worked. Your getting the hang of it. When you get tests during the day you add them to your title. To the right is an edit button.
     
  8. Cindy&Taco

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    what should I do, ? Should I go ahead and feed him ,then retest ? and shoot?
     
  9. Cindy&Taco

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    what should I do, ? Should I go ahead and feed him ,then retest ? and shoot?
     
  10. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Hi Cindy, how much longer till his shot time?
     
  11. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Don’t feed. Don’t shoot yet.
    Was the 3am meal from a timed feeder ?
     
  12. Cindy&Taco

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    Can I feed him now?
    30 minutes
     
  13. Cindy&Taco

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    NO
     
  14. Cindy&Taco

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    can I feed now?
     
  15. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Can you stall him another 15 minutes ? As long as he hasn't dropped more, it would be okay to shoot 15 minutes earlier. From your SS it appears that he usually comes up from the +11
     
  16. Cindy&Taco

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    I'm having my daughter test again, I'm very nervous about what to do, BG up to 110
     
  17. Cindy&Taco

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    can you explain why I would shoot 15 minutes earlier?
     
  18. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Cindy has 2 condos going, one with 911 for dosing advice.
     
  19. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Only if you think he can't wait any longer to eat is why I suggested that you could feed and shoot early. It looks like he is all ready coming up so you should be safe to shoot. Ideally, if you can hold him off then feed and shoot at your normal time.
     
  20. Cindy&Taco

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    by the time he's done eating , if he does, it will be shot time, his normal shot time is in 15 minutes, I'm going to go ahead and feed now and come back with a BG number, ok?
     
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  21. Cindy&Taco

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    He's eating like he's starving , got a 98 bg @ 9:45
     
  22. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Good that he's eating well. And as long as you can monitor closely today and have plenty of supplies, go for it.

    This would be your first green pre shot. So start with a +1 and +2 test . And keep your Thread title up to date with the test numbers. And you can take down the 911 for now.
     
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  23. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    If it is your first time facing a green PS then we usually suggest that you don’t feed but rather stall and retest in 15 minutes even if the number is 80-100. That will let you collect data on what your cat will do when you stall. One thing you can do is to refer to the +10 and +11. Those will give you a good idea of how quickly the numbers are rising (or not) when preshot time arrives.

    With most cats, once they start to rise they will really zoom. You want to get the insulin in as soon as possible, because it will be another 2-3 hours before the insulin kicks in and you don’t want to let the cycle get too far ahead of you.
     
  24. Cindy&Taco

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    He's down to 82 after just finishing his meal , 2 sides of sheba salmon, and it's shot time, please advise
     
  25. Cindy&Taco

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    should I go ahead and shoot 2.25 U of levemir now? 5 minutes past his time?
     
  26. Bobbie And Bubba

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    With meter variance the 98 and the 82 are the same number. You could wait 15 minutes and let the food bump him up a bit, retest and if the number has come up, then shoot.
     
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    I already shot 2.25 at 10:10 EST, 10 minutes past shot time, will test every 30 minutes, thanks :)
     
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    Do you want me to get rid of the 911? and if so , how do I do that? :)
     
  29. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Let's stay on the 911 thread as it has more postings on it. See you back on the 911 thread.
     
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    Started day off with getting woke up to my daughter giving me Tacos 9A BG number of 90, 1 hour preshot, alarmed and nervous, I did a 911, BG 9:30 110, BG 9:45 98, went ahead and fed him 2 sides of Sheba Salmon , BG 10A 82, went ahead and shot 2.25U at 10:10A . Will test @+1 , +2 and most of day .
     
  31. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Cindy, did you get a +1 test yet?

    ETA : I just saw it on your SS. Get a +2 as the +1 could be a food bump and you would want to see if he starts to drop.
     
  32. Cindy&Taco

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    @Bobbie And Bubba I went ahead and updated the other condo, going to lay down for 45 minutes and be back on other condo or this one if in trouble again. up to 116 @ +1
     
  33. Cindy&Taco

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    just messaged you at same time :)
     
  34. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Cindy I saw the SS. Stay on this condo as it has more postings as to what is happening now. And take down the 911 from your thread as he is safe right now.
     
  35. Cindy&Taco

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    How do I take it down ?
     
  36. JoyBee&Ravan

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    I can feel your stress! I've been there & I'm sure it will happen again. My Ravan has been on Levemir for for nearly 2 months & he still bounces into Red & Black #'s! It makes me cry everytime I see those High readings.

    Our kitties started Levemir nearly the same day, Ravan on 7/28. You can look at his SS & see how his BG is doing compared to Taco's. Ravan is at a low dose but I envy Taco's low bounces.

    All we can do is hang in there :)

    I am tired of the rollercoaster ride! I just don't want those high #'s !:(

    Best of LUCK to you & Taco. I have to remind myself to Take a couple of deep breaths & repeat, "It Will Get Better" :)
     
  37. Bobbie And Bubba

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    On the upper right side of this thread, you will see Thread Tools. Click on that, a window will appear and say Edit Title, click on that, and then in the window with your thread title click and a window will pop down and say no title, click on that and it makes the 911 disappear.
     
  38. JoyBee&Ravan

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    Go to top on the right. Thread tools/edit title . Click on edit title, then No prefix Then save changes
    I Hope that helps?
     
  39. Krystina & Nelli

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    Really o_O:cool:?
     
  40. JoyBee&Ravan

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    I certainly hope so :D
     
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  41. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Got a +2 yet?
     
  42. Krystina & Nelli

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    Yes... in SS?
    +2.5 174
     
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  43. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Thanks Krystina!

    ETA: I meant a +2 for Cindy and Taco, this is her thread. LOL
     
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  44. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Cindy, I need to run a quick errand. If your next test shows that Taco is going down, you will want to give him a bit of food and depending on the number will depend whether is would be LC or MC.
     
  45. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Cindy, I am back from my errand, just checking in again to see you got another test in? Not seeing anything on the SS .
     
  46. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Okay wake up Cindy, it's should be +4.5 ish now, hopefully you have gotten another test in especially shooting your lowest pre shot number.
     
  47. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Both threads have been merged.
     
  48. Marje and Gracie

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    GMTA; I was just going to ask you to do so. :):):)

    Great job shooting today, Cindy. Sorry I wasn’t around but I’m three hours later than you; we have an excellent array of East Coasters to help with those early morning numbers.

    One thing I want to address is that we don’t want to feed to get numbers up to shoot. In this case, it didn’t affect his BG because you tested again 15 minutes after you fed.

    Remember that with Levemir, you are likely to see the lower numbers at preshot so you will have to get used to shooting them (we shoot everything above 50 here as long as you have supplies and are available/able to test). Once you shoot, then you feed his helpings of Sheba. Unless he is getting ready for a dose reduction, you should see the numbers either stay flat or start to come up until he onsets.

    While we talk about “curves” with Lantus and Levemir, in reality, when the dose is right, the numbers stay relatively flat. As the depot gets overfull, then you will see a number lower than 50 signaling a reduction is needed.

    Super job today and thanks for doing that subject line!!! Pat yourself on the back and....ask any questions!
     
  49. Cindy&Taco

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    OK, kitty angels, I'm back and Tacos numbers were taken all day by his "real" mom , my daughter . I cant tell you how grateful I am that I had a response so quickly on my 911. I'm not new at all to Tacos diabetes , but I still panic when he goes into green from being so high the previous days. I needed to sleep today, my body and brain couldnt take anymore after I had stayed up all night , like I do every night because of taking care of my 43 yo 24/7 son that needs to be monitored at all times and taking care of Taco as he worries me to death and is a constant along with his other 6 fur sister and brothers. So I'm back with his SS up to date , I usually do those in the evening, as I keep an extensive log everyday with his numbers foods and anything else important. Please forgive me for letting you hang , but, all is well, and YES , after over 1 year of Tacos uncontrolled diabetes, I still PANIC, and need hand holding thru this especially this TR, that we just started ,Thanks :)
     
  50. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Cindy, I am glad that the cycle played out well. I was a bit nervous as it was your first green that you shot and I felt responsible encouraging you to shoot. I certainly understand needing sleep after an all -nighter. Maybe you could have your daughter fill in the SS during times like this when peeps are waiting for an update? BTW you earned the Balls of Steel (BOS) award today for shooting your first green pre shot.

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  51. Marje and Gracie

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    That’s why we are here.....to help you and Taco and be with you when the numbers cause panic. We’ve all been through it.

    Remember that you have the two greatest tools to keep him safe: your meter and food/syrup/honey.
     
  52. Cindy&Taco

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    That's hysterical, but, I hate to burst your bubble, I.ve earned those years ago, BUT, I'll take another set , you can't have too many of those ;) As far as feeling responsible, the way i see it is, I asked for help, I was a wreck and didnt know what to do, I wanted to shoot that 2.25 because I'm so tired of Taco and his antics :) I know it'snot his fault, just sometimes have to put some humor in there. and really want to get him there, Every other time, I've reduced or skip shot and was sorry, but, it was what I had to do at the time, now I'm trying to lean more about how to handle lows and I still want to grab that can of 25 carbs and give it to him , yet I know now, not to. So dont blame yourself , you helped me keep him at 2.25 that he just started and the TR. I need a lot of hand holding right now with this and I hope no one gets angry, I feel as tho I was abandoned in the FB group when the going got tough. So I'm counting on all of you to stick with me until I feel comfortable. I know I sounded kind of rude in my 911 but, that's me and it's hard to read into someone in stress, but I know for anyone here that's been there done that, that I hope they remember where they were at one time or many times :) I think we tend to forget , once our kitties arewell or no longer with us, myself included. Thank you for helping me, I cant thank you enough!!! <3 <3
     
  53. Cindy&Taco

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    My daughter will fill in the SS if this happens again, I just didnt even have the energy to tell her to. Again I apologize for keeping all those following hanging. And MOST of my nights I stay up with my son and go to bed when I think the coast is clear and my daughter takes over for his 10A, so she starts at 9A with preparation and is instructed to wake me up with his numbers, and getting woke up with 3 hours of sleep with an 82, scared us both, she woke me up yelling , He's 82 in the green. It's funny afterwards but scary when it happens and you're not used to it. Anyways, Thank you!!
     
  54. Cindy&Taco

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    It's 3AM EST, I can see this is going to be a long night again, 7 hours to shot time and already dropping, I'm just not used to this :) Hoping he stays in the safe zone.
     
  55. Cindy&Taco

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    BG 106 and 5 hours till shot time.
     
  56. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    I'm still up :cool:
    Looking good.
    Do you have a set feeding schedule?
     
  57. Cindy&Taco

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    Taco gets his bigger meals at 10a 10p and snacks in between, but, since his bg is down he's not eating as much, i just had to bring his food into where he was to get him to eat a little something. Otherwise he would have polished that off when I gave it to him at 3A
     
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    What bothers me is he seems to drop quickly every hour, that's a first for me besides last night. He seems fine, except for the not wanting to eat his favorite food right now and his numbers dropping quick.
     
  59. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    When the numbers start getting into the normal zone (50-120) it means that the food he eats is being properly metabolized and the resulting energy delivered to the cells of his body. So, the ravenous hunger he had when there was not enough insulin to convert food to energy naturally subsides. The dance is changing- keep in mind that Taco is leading.
    It's all good.
     
  60. Cindy&Taco

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    Be back in 10 minutes with his bg reading
     
  61. Cindy&Taco

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    BG 67 4 hours pre shot
     
  62. Cindy&Taco

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    67 4 hours pre shot :(
     
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    Going to take again in 20 minutes, please stand by, is that you on his SS?
     
  66. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Feed 1 tsp of his regular LC food and see if he will surf
     
  67. Cindy&Taco

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    He ate most of his 3A snack about 10 minutes ago, let me try another food, he's probably full, will try
     
  68. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    In that case just let it ride (don't feed more just yet) and see where he's at with the next test
     
  69. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    What % carbs are the foods you feed him?
    How is his weight- underweight, overweight or just right?
    How old is he?
    Any other health issues?
     
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    1 tsp sheba chicken down and went back to his 3A snack he left
     
  71. Cindy&Taco

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    13 lbs, just right, 12 yo nuetered male, had a dental last month 4 teeth removed, otherwise good health, no other problems, except the diabetes
     
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    CARBS 2-4 mostly 3
     
  73. Cindy&Taco

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    63 @ 6:30 keep trying to feed,? do what?
     
  74. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    I see the +8.5 is 63 which is essentially the same as the 67.

    Don't feed. Grab another test in 30 mins. Lets see if he will surf.

    I'll see you then :cool:
     
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    63 at 7am - +9 , what next?
     
  76. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Don’t feed and test at +10.

    When did you last sleep?
     
  77. Cindy&Taco

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    I'm fine , I slept almost all day yesterday, this is my normal, I stay up all night, and sleep most of the day, I have a 43 yo 24/7 care son that just went to bed. I'm good. when the coast is clear my 19 yo daughter will take over with Taco and wake me up if need be. Right now I just had coffee so I'm good for a few hours at least ;)
     
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    Dont feed? even tho he always has food out till +10?
     
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    I'm jealous! You got 'balls of steel' award:woot:...in a whiny voice 'I wanna BOS too'....:rolleyes::rolleyes: oh well...too late now...It was in March when I had my first trial by fire (low green)...we're so far past that now...but it still makes me a nervous wreck to get those low greens pre-shot:arghh:...I just go to pieces every time...:arghh::arghh: Fortunately (or not) Luci doesn't have many of those low green PS's...yet...:facepalm: Hurray for getting thru that! It's never easy ...:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  81. Cindy&Taco

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    Do you free feed with TR?
     
  82. Beck and Philly

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    You can't use the stall technique unless you remove the food while you stall.
     
  83. Amy&TrixieCat

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    Every cat is different (ECID), but generally most people find that feeding several mini-meals throughout the cycle rather than free-feeding works well. Whether you do TR or SLGS, you do want to pick up all food by +10, so that there is 2 hours before doing the PS pokie; this will help ensure that your preshot test won't be food-influenced.
     
  84. Amy&TrixieCat

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    I see that 48....do you have any high carb food on hand? Or Karo? You do want to get him up and over 50. Just feed a little bit of high carb - maybe a tablespoon. You don't want to overfeed because you need him to be a little hungry in case you need him to eat again. You also don't want a scarf-n-barf on your hands, plus we just want to get him to safer numbers but not send him to the moon.
     
  85. Cindy&Taco

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    yes, and I'm freaking out , BRB
     
  86. Cindy&Taco

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    Just lapped up 2 tsp 13 carb gravy, when should I test again?
     
  87. Amy&TrixieCat

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    Retest in about 20 minutes.
     
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    giving 17 carb gravy 2 tbs 8:28
     
  89. Amy&TrixieCat

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    Ok...hold off on feeding anymore until you test again. Since you're giving that 2tbsp at 8:28, test 20 minutes after that, to give the gravy a little time to kick in.
     
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    ok, but gave more , see SS notes , will test at 9A 20 more minutes without more gravy, daughter up and helping Thank you for being here for Taco
     
  91. Amy&TrixieCat

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    Ok...definitely hold off on more gravy (or other food) before testing. Like I mentioned, you do want him to stay hungry in case his numbers come down again, and you don't want an upset tummy from too much gravy. I'm glad your daughter is helping!
     
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  92. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Glad to see Amy here as I am fading. You are in good hands.

    Looks like Taco is angling for a reduction :D

    Regarding the food, like Amy said, ECID

    I personally did not free feed. I was dealing with a high dose condition that no one around here (or anywhere else) had ever dealt with. I needed to know that BK would be hungry when I needed him to be. I needed to keep the picture as clear as possible. He got up to 45u per day, part Lantus and part R. I needed the control of a fixed timed diet. Once he regained the weight he lost he got a base diet of 1/2 can FF fed with AM and PM shots, 1/4 can FF at +4 and another 1/4 can at +8 both AM and PM, fed via a timed feeder. That timed feeder was a lifesaver.

    When I needed to steer the numbers, I maintained the base diet amounts and timings, adding HC in between as needed.

    I maintained that same base diet and timings even after he went OTJ.

    You are doing great. Hang in there and hang in here.
    I'm off to catch a few zzzzzzzzzs. BBL :cool:
     
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  93. Beck and Philly

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    45u per day? I can't even imagine the roller coaster/juggling act of managing that must have been.
     
  94. Cindy&Taco

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    BG 85 at +11 , what do I do next? Please
     
  95. Cindy&Taco

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    Do I do like usual now and reduce his dose at 10A 50 minutes from now? Test again in 30 minutes? I don't think I like this TR thing ;)
     
  96. Amy&TrixieCat

    Amy&TrixieCat Well-Known Member

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    Test again in 30 minutes - don't feed again between now and then.

    Taco did earn a .25U reduction here with that 48. To be honest, I am a little iffy about shooting at 10:00, though, since his numbers are now HC influenced. I'd like to see if any others chime in about shooting in 50 minutes.

    I'm going to take a quick shower, but I will check back shortly.
     
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  97. Sue and Luci

    Sue and Luci Well-Known Member

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    I feed her frequently with TR...she gets snacks after every test. Up to one-half can of FF pate. Young Again Zero treats with the shot.
     
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  98. Cindy&Taco

    Cindy&Taco Member

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    BG at 9:30 = 104 30 minutes from shot time
     
  99. Bobbie And Bubba

    Bobbie And Bubba Well-Known Member

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    Congrats on the reduction! And you did great! So glad Amy was around to help you with your first low number.

    If his AMPS number is still on the rise and no more HC food was given after the +10 ( 48) you could shoot the reduced dose ONLY if you can carefully monitor him today . Even with a reduction the higher depot could be talking still so be vigilant. He is likely to bounce upward from going under 50 but, maybe not and he could surf along some.

    I won't be around as much today but, I will try and keep an eye on you and Taco.
     
  100. Cindy&Taco

    Cindy&Taco Member

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    He's at 104 now, he had 2 tsp of 17 carb gravy at 8:35. and nothing since. Should I feed him his regular low carb(3) now and then shoot 2Units at 10A? Thank you. :)
     

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