vet thinks Noah has another chance, we say no

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  1. Noah & me (GA)

    Noah & me (GA) Well-Known Member

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    A little background is essential. Cynthia and I have never disagreed (and are not doing so now) about when it's time to go. With Nigel we took him home and what we thought might be a pain free week turned into 48 hours. When Jacob's ulcer was finally diagnosed as a painful cancer we brought him in the next morning. The worst experience was Kobiashi who was already very old and had an embolism break loose somewhere, rapid weight loss, then a cardiac event. On a Thursday night before a long weekend it was 99% certain his heart would give out very soon and we didn't want him suffering in an hour long car ride to emergency to be poked and prodded by strangers. He had a very rough life and came to us after being abandoned in an empty house. We made the decision to end his suffering on the spot.
    I made an appointment for Noah on Wednesday so his vet since he was born would be there. She phoned me today urging us to have him tested tomorrow (Tuesday) for pancreatitis. I mumbled a maybe.
    Below is what he looked like on Saturday even after he stopped eating. Now I am syringe feeding him and he hates me for it. He has not moved from his basket at the front door for 48 hours and has lost so much weight Cynthia burst into tears when she picked him up.
    His teeth are all rotten and cannot be pulled, he has cardiomyopathy and his heart is so enlarged it has broken through the cardiac sac and is pressing on other organs. He hasn't had a bowel movement since Friday.
    I have never had to deal with pancreatitis but unless the treatment involves God we are not wanting to put him through any more. He has not been weighed in a long time but I can safely say he is less than 1/2 his ideal body weight.
    I never thought I'd have to ask this question but are doing the right thing? I cannot imagine any scenario that would extend his life past Christmas. He must be in organ failure right now. The appointment is tomorrow at 11AM. Please be honest.

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  2. Chris & China (GA)

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    You asked for honesty so I'm going there.....I think your answer is right there. Yes, sometimes assist feeding is the right thing to do, despite the objections, but there's just so much going wrong, I think it's time.

    Yes, God may intervene.....He may wake up tomorrow, go straight to his food bowl and then off to the litter box to make a huge deposit. In that case, and only that case, I may give him a little more time, but it sure sounds to me like he's not living the life I know you wish for him.

    Will pray for a miracle and also for peace for you both in the decision you're making.
     
  3. PussCatPrince - GA

    PussCatPrince - GA Well-Known Member

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    Life at any price? I think you know the answer.

    To me Dickson, pancreatitis is a slippery foe. You will have read what is involved & treatment comes with no guarantees that it wouldn't be a repeating performance.

    How much is too much?
     
  4. Noah & me (GA)

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    Thank you both very much. You have both said something that needs repeating someday to someone else in this position.
    He's not living the life I know you wish for him.
    How much is too much?

    I already knew what to do, I needed to hear it from someone else.
     
  5. PussCatPrince - GA

    PussCatPrince - GA Well-Known Member

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    I understand the vet . She comes from a place of care , ability & responsibility . She would be remiss to not put it out there.

    You understand & 'feel' Noah. You come from a place of compassion & love.

    M
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  6. Idjit's mom

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    Dickson, you know I regard you highly, and I agree with Chris and M, you have the answer already. If it was me I would give this gift, even while my heart was breaking. It's the kindest most loving thing you can do. And you are such a kind loving man. Hugs to you and Cynthia for being courageous and so loving to your furkids all through the years, today and tomorrow.
     
  7. Noah & me (GA)

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    There's something I forgot. The vet Noah has had forever is not in tomorrow, that's why the original appointment was Wednesday.
    My vet has known us for almost 20 years so she will sometimes ask me my opinion of her newest staff and the alternate vet is not her favorite person. There won't be any friction, I just wanted her to be there as she has been every time for all our cats and dog. I feel like a schmuck for doing that but Noah comes before someone else's hurt feelings. We should all be so lucky to have a vet like her.
     
  8. Phoebes (GA)

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    You know what he is asking of you..the tears are flowing for phoebes beautiful prince. You are making the right choice because it comes from love. :bighug::bighug::bighug: I'm so sorry Dickson. If only...
     
  9. Beth 73

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    Dickson and Cynthia...you are there and I am not ... you know Noah and I do not ..... I have no insight to offer but do offer my deepest most sincere prayers and petitions over all of you ... for insight, for wisdom, for peace , for invisible arms of love to wrap around you all... may all of us take a small piece of this heart burden and carry it in hopes of helping you bear this time... our hearts are heavy for you ❤️
     
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  10. PussCatPrince - GA

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    Then Wednesday is the right day for you all.
     
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  11. JanetNJ

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    Better a day too soon then a day too late. If you feel your kitty is ready, you know him better than anyone. It's not like you're one to make that decision for your own personal convenience. He looks tired.
     
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  12. Rachel

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    Oh Dickson. Yes. I think you are making the right decision. It's the one I would make in your shoes (it's the one I DID make in your shoes...my Gypsy was in similar condition when I chose to let her go). Something Sue (you old timers will remember her I'm sure) told me when I was agonizing over what to do was this: "whatever decision you make will be the right one, because it was made from love". That gave me the strength to say goodbye when I knew it was time, and I hope it gives you some strength as well. Hugs to you and Cynthia my friend.
     
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  13. Becky & Baby Girl GA

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    You know your cat... You are giving him release from the pain & oh so tiredness. I honestly believe that in your hearts, you & lovely Cynthia have decided what’s best for him. My heart breaks... & their pain becomes ours. I’ve made this decision & never regretted it. I’ll take that pain for my dear babes. Thinking of you all ... many hugs
     
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  14. Sharon14

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    Dickson, you and Cynthia will make the right decision for Noah because, as Rachel (& Sue) said, it’ll be made from love. Wishing you all peace:bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  15. Kris & Teasel

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    You know in your heart what you need to do for Noah and we're all here to support you in that. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
  16. FurBabiesMama

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    This is the hardest part of it all. It takes unselfish love to make the call to let them go though you know it will tear you apart.

    I wish you peace and a sweet goodbye when you make the call. :bighug:
     
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  17. Noah & me (GA)

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    Noah passed away last night. It's already posted in Grief.
     
  18. Djamila

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    Oh Dickson! My heart breaks for you and Cynthia. I send so much love to you both and pray that you will find comfort in knowing that Noah is free from pain and running and playing with all of the kitties who have gone before him. cat_wings>o
     
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    Noah, your dad made me laugh and -smile on days when I thought it was impossible. Every time he told me about you, I felt like I knew you better and cared even more.

    You were greatly loved here. Now run free and find your siblings. Will you look out for Grandpa?

    Hugs Dickson and Cynthia.
     
  20. Sonia & Leo

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    :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug: I'm so sorry Dickson and Cynthia. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  21. Bellasmom

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    I'm just seeing this, I am so sorry Dickson:bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  22. Beth 73

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    Dear Dickson and Cynthia :bighug: I am so very sad and sorry . Sending love and prayers for your hearts to find peace . Such a special kitty... such special , loving fur dad and mom. ❤️
     
  23. CassAndGordy(GA)

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    I am sorry Dickson :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  24. Veronica & Babu-chiri

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    Oh Dickson I'm so sorry you and Noa have been such an inspiration for us all, sending you and Cynthia love and prayers :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  25. Ana & Frosty (GA)

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    ❤️

    Frosty passed away yesterday on his own too, before our appointment. It was not peaceful unfortunately. I can’t bring myself to write about it right now. Maybe tomorrow.

    The similarities to you guys, as well as to @Beck and Grandpa (GA) and the timing is just overwhelming. (Beck, it still freaks me the F out seeing GA after Grandpa’s name.)
     
  26. Dyana

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    I'm so sorry :( I am praying for all of you (((Dickson & Noah)), (((Beck & Grandpa))), and (((Ana & Frosty))).
    I know how it feels. I wish you all peace and whatever comfort you can find. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  27. Beck and Philly

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    Oh my gosh. I am speechless... and so sorry! All three at almost the same time! I would give anything to have all three happy and healthy and with us again, but to know I'm walking through this pain with others that I know understand helps somewhat. This sucks!
     
  28. Noah & me (GA)

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    So tonight not one of us has to give a shot. I can't remember when that last happened. I was fooling around with my meter's memory one day and there was a gap of a few months. I realized those were Nigel's numbers.
    @Ana & Frosty I'm kicking myself now for not scheduling that appointment for Saturday but he was still up and about interacting with us and the other cats. I don't think there's a lesson to be learned, sometimes things just go badly so fast. I know you're not a child but this has to be worse for you. Sorry if I sound like the village elder, I hate that.
     
  29. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Oh Dickson, these words touched me so... opened the flood gates. I know. I remember.

    I don't post much any more. As each year goes by it gets harder and harder to even open up a GA thread... almost impossible to visit the Grief Forum. Too many kitties. Too many losses. Each one feels like it tears off a little piece of my heart... even if I didn't "know" the kitty and caregiver well. I understand the kind of loss each caregiver is feeling and have a good idea of what they're going through.

    @Beck and Grandpa (GA) , @Ana & Frosty , and @Noah & me (GA) ... my heart hurts and feels for you and yours. I am so sorry.
     
  30. Carol & Murphy (GA)

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    RIP, little guy
    hugs and love to you :bighug::bighug:
     
  31. PPCW

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    I feel so sad right now. Heart broken.

    RIP Noah :rb_icon:cat_wings>o.

    Big warm hugs for Dickson and Cynthia :bighug:.
     
  32. PussCatPrince - GA

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    :(

    Living and dying is rarely tidy it seems to me. Too often the tide of life turns as if on a whim , taking us by unwanted surprise and leaving us desolate & bereft.

    I am sorry this happened to you, Ben & Frosty @Ana & Frosty . Sometimes life just stinks and is not at all fair.
     
  33. Beck and Philly

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    That got to me.
     
  34. Kris & Teasel

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    For all of you ... :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    For those of us who are long time members of this Board, @Jill & Alex (GA) could not have said it better. For whatever reason, there are times when several of our beloved kitties leave us in rapid succession. It's so very hard.

    "Cats never completely leave you. They side step time, shrug off death - come at the call of memory their beauty undiminished, their touch as gentle, their love perpetual."
     
  36. Ana & Frosty (GA)

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    I still feel like I need to rush home by 6 o’clock, but then I remember that I don’t.

    I just can’t get over the fact that the other 2 members I followed closely. It’s so crazy. I do agree @Beck and Grandpa (GA) , in a weird and maybe somewhat messed up way, it is helpful knowing I’m not alone at this very moment. Of course I wouldn’t wish this on anyone, especially those I consider friends here, but I’m sure you guys know what I mean. It’s still just mind blowing to me... I’m in shock your babies left almost at the same time mine did.
    I’m kicking myself for a lot of things. I didn’t realize how much guilt there is associated with pet loss.

    I am doing OK bc I’m working, but i do have my moments of intense sadness and regret . I know it’s normal.

    I still intend to post more later in a separate thread. I also have 8 people I am trying to send / give medical supplies to. I have to get organized and start sending stuff out. There’s so much to do. But i want to help others in Frosty’s memory.
     
  37. Lillie

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    I'm so sorry to read of the losses of these kitties. It reminds me to never take for granted the enjoyment and love they bring us in their short time that they share their lives with us. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  38. Noah & me (GA)

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    @Ana & Frosty I'm glad you replied to that. When I said "I know you're not a child" that could have come off sounding a lot worse. What I meant was I've been through this a lot. When we brought Noah in yesterday there were two new staffers who had no idea who I was. I'm the guy that can just walk straight past "no customers" and no one says anything. These two new people had not checked our file, this is the 10th time we've been in that stupid room.
    So basically I'm older than your dad and like I said before you've been through the ringer with Frosty as opposed to Noah just slowly going downhill over the years. That was a super-human effort and it had to hurt.
    Actually Ana you always seem to know what I really mean, that's why you're one of my favorite people. The thread about suicide was what did it for me because nothing speaks louder than honesty and compassion. Promise me you won't close your account. Bye Frosty. :( :bighug:
     
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  40. Beck and Philly

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    I definitely know what you mean. I don't want any of us to walk this road, but it helps not to walk alone.

    This morning the Alphatrak meter beeped its 7 AM alarm from the kitchen drawer. I just froze for a minute. Then I was looking for treats and found them by the front door under Grandpa's Superman costume. I must have dropped it there when we came in from the yard where I took his pictures. It's the little things.

    I'm also finding myself confusing Trixie's care with Grandpa's. Trixie is still recovering so I found myself buying a ton of food samples. I have to remind myself that I now need grain free, not low carb.
     
  41. JeffJ

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    I get attached to a lot of the kittehs on the forum too. When they depart, it feels like I lost a kitteh too. It is the tie that binds us here on this forum, our compassion for sweet but health challenged kittehs. They take so much from us, but also give us a lot in return.
     
  42. Beth 73

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    :bighug::bighug: How is Trixie doing, Beck ? Have had her on my heart and mind ❤️
     
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    She is still reluctant to eat, but she's eating better. A friend gave me some homemade dog food with venison and she loved it so I'll be cooking tonight.

    Thanks for asking!
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  44. Ana & Frosty (GA)

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    I don’t think that what I went through makes what you’ve been through any less difficult, it’s just different, These experience can’t really be compared. And I didn’t choose this either - I thought I was adopting a diabetic cat and he would probably get off insulin and live another 5 years. I had NO IDEA what I signed up for - none of us do. We do it because we love our pets.

    I think my favorite part is the GA after your name. That’s why I knew we understood each other hahaha. I’m probably too young for the level of sarcasm and sense of humor I have. In fact, I’m the opposite of grumpy in person, but deep down, I’m on that level. What can I do... maybe I’m young(er) that most members, but I know what I’ve been through in life and I definitely learn a lot. I reflect a lot.

    I’m sticking around for now for moral support, for myself and also for you and @Beck and Grandpa (GA) . Don’t know how long I will stay, but the best thing I think I can offer on this forum is mental/moral support for other members with sick cats, rather than help with diabetes/dosing. And of course advice for those with cushing’s cats. I think there’s enough diabetes experts here.
     
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  45. Idjit's mom

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    That's such good news. Beck, maybe start a new thread for Trixie and keep us updated on her progress? We loves her too!
     
  46. Beck and Philly

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    I don't want to take anything away from the diabetic cats. I'd love for you all to share Trixie if there is an appropriate place.
     
  47. Idjit's mom

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    What about in Off Topic, I don't know if you look there, but we get some pretty good threads going. Take a look. :)
     
  48. Beth 73

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    Beck, Off Topic would be perfect
     
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  49. Beth 73

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    Oh, those eyes, those eyes ❤️ Give her hugs and a kiss on the head from me ❤️
     
  50. PussCatPrince - GA

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    That conditioned internal clock thing is a weird one. My first thought on waking is still - time - Tyler - test - shoot. Then I remember even though I had not forgotten.

    Yes. A Trixie thread would be lovely.
     
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  51. Noah & me (GA)

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    If you could have seen my face when we found out why Nigel was crawling over our heads for people food. I thought diabetic cats were fat cats eating the wrong food. Nigel was a lean and fit jungle cat. I don't think I would have had the Cajones to adopt a diabetic cat and I don't want another one right now.
    Whatever you decide to do Ana it will take years for me to get your story out of my head and there's nothing you can do about it, so there!;):rolleyes:

    How can anyone be too young for sarcasm? People that don't get it are the ones losing out.
     
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  52. Noah & me (GA)

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    I'm all for that. Everyone has seen my photo of Nigel and his best friend the dog. We can call the thread Trixie and Hannah (and dogs can love cats).
    There's some strange behavior here. Lewis is acting out, Andy (Noah's basket buddy) is wandering around, Marco is just fixated with going outside.
    So much for me taking some time off. It hasn't completely sunk in yet but I'm sure I'll be spending the weekend either obsessively cleaning or sleeping. Neither one of us has had a really good cry yet. Now I really am going, I promised a decent dinner tonight.
     
  53. Beck and Philly

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    Trixie, Hannah, and the Droolers is up and ready to go. I hope others will share dog pics and stories. I can't wait to see beautiful Hannah.
     
  54. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Dickerson, so very very sorry for the passing of your sweet Noah. Words just can't express how someone who I never met before can lose a beloved furbaby and it can just break my heart for you, for us.......

    Sending you lots of love and peace during this sad transition. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  55. Cynthia & Merlin (GA)

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    I’ve been following some of the stories here and reading the posts and learning about others who have so many challenges. I lost Merlin 7 weeks ago. His acro tumor was causing him a lot of discomfort and his vets were slow to diagnose it all. I had been in contact with AMC NY’s Dr. McCue to discuss his case and the chances of him being accepted into their program. His tumor got the best of him a few days before our phone consultation; I couldn’t let him suffer and hold on. I cried for days; he was the love of my life, really and truly. We would have ‘love sessions’ and my girlfriend said to me, “I want a man to look at me the way he looks at you.”

    So I’ve been feeling all the loss here on these posts over again, but most especially the outpouring of love and friendship that so many of you have expressed here on this thread and others. I wish I had gotten on this forum earlier and been able to ask for help and comfort from you all. I got here the last week of his life and was immediately informed and guided from the experts who wanted Merlin and me to succeed. That’s is what this forum does and I hope to continue to give whatever support I can to those struggling.

    For those of you that are reeling from your loss, I give you my heart and send all my love.
     
  56. Noah & me (GA)

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    @Cynthia and Merlin It's too bad we can't give people two Likes because you deserve it. That was very sweet.
    You've never seen these? I won't post them in full (again) and be a bandwidth hog but here she is. She weighed 60 pounds which is enormous for a female Border Collie, a real Alpha type but she would have loved Trixie and probably tried to groom Grandpa like she did with Nigel. All the cats adored her but she had some kind of connection with Nigel that could not be explained. Both of them in the car at the same time was just a riot. The black and white cat is Noah and Nigel's papa Jacob. They passed within weeks of each other.

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  57. Beck and Philly

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    It isn't too late for us to pull you into our hugs as we all try to heal from losing our babies. I'm so sorry about Merlin. The fact that you're here on this forum attests to how much you care and how lucky Merlin was to have you.

    Hugs!!!
     
  58. Beck and Philly

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    I did see these, but they deserve another look, especially while we were talking dog stuff tonight. So gorgeous!
     
  59. Larry and Kitties

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    Sending purrs and prayers
     
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    I'm reading this so late....Dickson I am so sorry for you and Cynthia. I feel there are no other words I can say that haven't already been said. Nigel was a beautiful boy and you were and are a beautiful man for the endless love you gave. My heart is with you cat_wings>o
     
  61. Dusty Bones

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    So sorry for your loss.
     
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