Please help Kittie was 54, then I was not thinking and gave her a shot. She is at 30

Discussion in 'Lantus / Levemir / Biosimilars' started by Kylee and Her Mom Renee', Oct 20, 2018.

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  1. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

    Kylee and Her Mom Renee' Member

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    10/20 AMPS 191 PMPS 54 I gave 1 unit. I messed up and I am scared. This number was a few minutes ago. Should I give her some food or honey? Please help
     
  2. Chris & China (GA)

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    Yes.....give her several drops of honey or syrup and some high carb food like Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers
     
  3. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    I gave he some FF grillers with gravy. I will see if she will eat some more with a little honey.
     
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  4. Chris & China (GA)

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    Test again about 20 minutes after the food/honey

    We want her up out of those 30's
     
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  5. Red & Rover (GA)

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    Renee, do you have lots of strips?
     
  6. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    She ate the honey and FF, she wants to eat more, but I gave her 1/2 of the can. Should I feed her more? Seems like she might get sick from too much food.
     
  7. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Yes I need to check her again soon.
     
  8. Red & Rover (GA)

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    You shot 1 unit at 8pm PST - 54
    Am I thinking right in that the 30 was at +1? (1 hour after shot)
     
  9. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Yes. Coming up on +2
     
  10. JeffJ

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    Chris and Red&Rover - lemme know if I need to stay on. I can be on for another 2 hours as it is 11:45pm here. If it was me, and Kylee is not coming up, I would consider more sugar.
     
  11. Chris & China (GA)

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    No...you don't want to fill her up now in case we need her to continue to eat later

    Give this food some time to get into her bloodstream
     
  12. Red & Rover (GA)

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    I'm good for about 45 minutes but that's pushing it (12:45 am for me). If you could stay on, that would be great.
     
  13. JeffJ

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    Ok, will monitor.
     
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  14. Chris & China (GA)

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    I'll be around for a bit....am supposed to take DM to church in the morning, but I'd never leave an emergency if there wasn't someone else to watch over it
     
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  15. Red & Rover (GA)

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    Renee, have you tested? If not, please do so right now.
     
  16. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    +2 34 She seems fine. She is at least climbing up.
     
  17. Chris & China (GA)

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    That's still too low

    Give her another few drops of honey mixed with a few teaspoons of just the "gravy" part of the food and test again in 20 minutes.

    If you pop the top on the can and then put it back down, you can "squeeze" the gravy into another bowl. That's where most of the carbs are.

    Do you know where the nearest emergency vet is? Just in case
     
  18. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Thank you. She is at 34. I was planning on church too. She is climbing up so that is good. Good night and thank you.
     
  19. Chris & China (GA)

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    You may miss church or be very sleepy during it…..you need to stay up and test for at least 2 hours after she's above 50

    Your "two hours" hasn't even started yet since she's still way too low
     
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  20. JeffJ

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    Summary:
    PMPS 8pm, BG = 54
    +1, BG = 30, gravy food and karo given
    +2, BG = 34

    This is still a crucial time, and still an emergency status as Chris said.
     
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  21. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    I gave her Manuka honey and the gravy +34
     
  22. Chris & China (GA)

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    Need to test again about 20 minutes after the last food was eaten
     
  23. Hroswitha

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    Renee - I did this once when Mala was first diagnosed. We over-shot her dose, and threw her into very low blood sugar territory. The others advising you are absolutely correct - you must stay with her, you must keep testing and feeding. She's not out of the woods yet.

    Sending you all our love and concern. This is a hard part of this whole sugar thing. Make yourself some tea or set an alarm, if you need to.
     
  24. Red & Rover (GA)

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    Renee, time for another test.
     
  25. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    I am feeding her some more, but I don't want to over feed her. She acts so hungry. Is that what too much insilin does to them?
     
  26. Kako & Tux

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    Hi! I don't have much experience and I haven't given insulin for 2 years, I am trying to remember reviewing Tux's old SS.
    I can stay up as late as needed since I am not going church until 11am.
     
  27. Hroswitha

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    If you haven't tested her yet, please do so and post her numbers. The volunteers staying up with you need data in order to help.

    How are YOU doing?
     
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  28. Chris & China (GA)

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    When they drop too low, their instinct is to eat to try to bring their blood glucose up, so it's normal that she's hungry.....but you don't want to overfeed her now because you may NEED her to continue to eat for quite awhile yet.

    Please test again now!

    Do you know where the nearest ER vet is?
     
  29. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    +3 20 Gave her more honey.
     
  30. Kako & Tux

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    Please give more gravy too!
     
  31. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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  32. Chris & China (GA)

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    I seriously think you may want to consider taking her into an emergency vet.

    She's getting a lot of sugar and carbs and it's not budging her....and in fact, she's just dropping more.

    This is more than you can handle at home
     
  33. Hroswitha

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    If it helps any, I'm diabetic, too. when I drop into low glucose ranges, I'm ravenous. To bring up my numbers, I first turn to fast acting and short term carbs - fruit juice, a candy bar, something like that. But if I don't eat anything else, those carbs will run out very quickly, so I follow it up with moderate carbs - crackers, bread, milk.

    So as others suggest, alternate between honey and gravy. Keep testing. 20 is a dangerous level, and she's not okay yet. You've got this.
     
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  34. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    I agree with Chris. Not only is the sugar and carbs doing nothing, this is very early in the cycle... not to mention, given similar circumstances, elongated hypos are possible/probable with the long acting insulins. That means they've been known to last 16 - 17 hours.

    I strongly urge you to consider calling the nearest ER, tell them what's happened and that you're on your way. Give honey/syrup before you leave and take the bottle with you to administer along the way if necessary.
     
  35. Kako & Tux

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    Do you mean she no longer acts hungry? If so, like Chris say I'd consider emergency visit to a vet too!
     
  36. JeffJ

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    CRITICAL - take her to the ER now.
     
  37. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    The first time this happened I have her dry food. Why can't I try that. It worked with the honey the first time.
     
  38. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    She is eating again.
     
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  39. Kako & Tux

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    I would try dry food in this emergency case. But wait until someone who is experienced responds. @Chris & China @Jill & Alex (GA)
     
  40. Chris & China (GA)

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    You can....but seriously, 20's are nothing to fool with....most cats would be having seizures at this point

    Kibble takes longer to break down and get into the bloodstream and even if it's got honey on it, the honey you've been giving already has done nothing.

    Some things you just can't handle at home. We all just want Kylee to be safe
     
  41. Red & Rover (GA)

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    Previously when you gave dry food or honey, the BG at shot time was much higher and the low numbers were later in the cycle. That is not the case tonight. This is much, much more serious.

    Some cats show few or no symptoms of a hypo until it is too late and they start having seizures.

    Dip your finger generously in the honey jar and swipe her gums. Call the ER and tell them you are coming in. Take the honey with you in the car.
     
  42. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    I may be wrong, but as I recall, the first time this happened you weren't dealing a full depot. This time it's different because the repeated doses of Lantus have built up in her system. This means it'll take more to stop this than it did the first time around.

    FWIW, in 12 years I've seen more than my share of similar situations. IMHO, you're dealing with a situation that could go sour at a moments notice. As Jeff said, this has become critical. Please go to an ER. They are equipped to handle this emergency in ways that you cannot at home.

    I'm all for handling things at home, but you're in over your head. Take Kylee to the ER, please.
     
  43. Kako & Tux

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    How is Kylee acting?
     
  44. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    She is next to me and can't understand why I won't let her out of my bedroom. Purring like crazy and is playing with a string.
     
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  45. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    That's wonderful, but it can change at a moments notice and then it'll be too late.

    Seriously, are you prepared to stay awake to closely monitor and feed her for what could be another 12 - 14 hours? Will she be able to consume enough food and/or honey to keep her numbers up over the long haul? Most kitty's would vomit... and then what?

    I'm sorry for being so blunt, but this is an emergency. Please err on the side of caution.
     
  46. Kako & Tux

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    Oh Kylee is a strong girl! Even though she seems fine, I'd take her to ER as others say.
     
  47. Hroswitha

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    You need to think about the worst outcome. You're gambling with Kylee's life. You need to take her to the vet. Tonight. As soon as you can.

    She is your girl and she trusts you. Do the right thing. We all want a good outcome tonight.
     
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  48. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    @Hroswitha
    Thank you.
     
  49. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    GO. PLEASE. TAKE THE HONEY WITH YOU.
     
  51. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    I understand, and as long as she is eating, grooming. I will continue to watch her. She is stressed because I have been testing her so often. If you all need to go I understand. I want to be with. The vet is too far away and I think she is better off with me. I would love it someone could stay, but I understand.
     
  52. Kako & Tux

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    Then, more honey and gravy.
     
  53. Kako & Tux

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    I will stay up with you.
     
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  54. Kako & Tux

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    (I am praying..... )
     
  55. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Thank you. I will give it little longer. I will test her one more time. I will give her some more honey and I will leave food out for her and let God take care of her.
     
  56. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Thank you. I am too. I give her to God He knows more than I do and is stronger than I am. I appreciate you staying with me.
     
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  57. Kako & Tux

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    I understand Kylee is tired of being poked so often but I'd keep feeding and testing until her BG is in safe place (blue number).
     
  58. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    She is still eating so that is a good sign. I will test her in a few minutes. She is grooming and seems better.
     
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  59. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Renee, I don't know what to say that hasn't already been said. I don't know if you fully understand this could get very ugly... very, very fast. I can't pretend to understand your choice when you have options to keep her safe. Perhaps God's way of taking care of Kylee was to put her in your care to be her advocate... to take care of her.

    That said, Kylee is your kitty. Al decisions are yours to make. I hope and pray for the very best outcome.

    No, not necessarily. Even if she gets to a blue number, she will have to be monitored because the numbers can drop again. I could be wrong and I hope I am, but this has all the markings of potentially being a prolonged hypo.
     
  60. Carol in Chicago

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    Please confirm what she is eating (HC / MC)? I would also like to confirm you have syringes available for honey or syrup if needed (i.e. 3ml).

    I can't stay up too long, but I'm worried. Remember - you need to see a safe number 2 hrs past food influence...
     
  61. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Kylee is grooming and I think we both need to go to bed or I will be sick too. Thank you again. God will watch over all of us. Keep us in prayers. Good night.
     
  62. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    OMG! No.
    Please leave food out for Kylee. Lots of food with Honey mixed in. Maybe she'll continue to eat on her own.
     
  63. Kylee and Her Mom Renee'

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    Thank you. I understand. I thank you for your help. I love my Kylee and I know I will see her tomorrow and for a long time.
     
  64. Cindy&Taco

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    Renee, these people stayed up with you to help you with Kylee, DON'T GIVE UP YET, you are the only one Kylee is counting on PLEASE!!!
     
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    Please do NOT test one more time and then go to bed. If you're not going to the ER, then please, you NEED to keep testing, keep giving honey, keep reacting as needed to whatever her BG is doing so as to keep her safe. And by that I mean to KEEP HER ALIVE.

    Sound dramatic? Yes. Because this can be life threatening quite quickly. I held a friend's cat as he was hypoing and died. His seizures began when his BG was in the low 30's. Meters vary so just because your cat seems ok doesn't mean it will stay that way.

    I would fill TWO syringes (no needles) with syrup or honey -- one for syringing syrup into kitty's mouth if she refuses to eat. The other syringe is for a last ditch emergency use if kitty is unresponsive and can't swallow -- in which case you gently and carefully insert the tip of syringe into the rectum and administer syrup that way.

    Have you heard the story about the man and the flood? A man lived along a river and massive rains were predicted. Flood warnings and evacuation notices were issued but the man said "I'm going to stay, God will take care of me." The waters rose and water surrounded his house. A rescue boat came by but he refused to leave. "I'm going to stay, God will take care of me," he said. The waters rose even higher and he became stranded on his roof. A rescue helicopter came by to pluck him to safety but again he refused. "I'm going to stay, God will take care of me." As he stood at the pearly gates, he said "God, I trusted you to protect me, why did you let me die?" And God said "I sent you flood warnings, a boat, and a helicopter ... what did you expect?"

    The people on this board are sending you warnings, offers of help, and guidance to get your kitty get through this. Please, please listen.
     
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  66. Kako & Tux

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    Renee, no testing yet?
     
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    Thinking about you, Renee. If you're up, please let us know how things are going.
    Let us know how we can help.
     
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    Oh my God, seeing someone apparently sign off like that when their kitty is in such a perilous situation is so intensely distressing...I can only pray that Kylee will be okay.

    Renee if you read this, please don't take chances like this with your kitty's safety, particularly with hypoglycemia, it could result in an outcome that you would end up regretting very quickly - it needs continuous physical intervention and action to keep the worst at bay. The people here know what they are talking about and you should really take the advice they give to heart and allow them to help and guide you, because they truly have the best interests for all the kitties here at their hearts. I really am hoping with everything in me that Kylee will still be with you come morning.
     
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    Hoping Kylee is okay this morning. Please post as soon as you can to let us know.
     
  71. Sharon14

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    I hope all is well. Please check in as soon as possible. We all worry
     
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  72. Olive & Paula

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    Unbelievable. I am speechless. So hope Kylee survived the night.
     
  73. Carol & Murphy (GA)

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    Me too. We are all holding our breath waiting for news, Renee.
     
  74. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    OMG! I'm aghast! Hope there was some divine intervention to keep Kylee safe!
     
  75. Olive & Paula

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    That's what she was hoping for.
     
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  76. Pamela & Amethyst

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    OMG!! I believe in God also but it is pretty obvious human intervention is needed!!
     
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    I am praying for this kitty today. If our cats could talk to us they would tell us something is wrong. They are like babies who need constant attention and care, god intervenes in mysterious way. These people on here helping could be god's way of helping the kitty
     
  78. Kako & Tux

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    Good morning! How's Kylee?
    If you tested, please update SS.
     
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  79. Laura bb

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    I really hope Kylee is doing ok today.
     
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    Me too, I have been thinking/worrying about the poor girl all night and about how this all unfolded in general.
     
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  81. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Head's up...

    One thing I've learned over the last 12+ years on the board is not to pass judgement until we've walked a mile in someone shoes. Using the internet doesn't always provide enough information to know, see, or understand the whole picture.

    Some of these comments are understandable, but are not helpful. I've been up all night on the off-chance Renee posted for help and am too tired to deal with them at the moment. I will be placing them in moderation until moderators decide what to do with them later. Believe me, I understand where they're coming from... thank you in advance for understanding where mine are coming from.

    ~ Jill
     
  82. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    Renee, please start a new thread for Kylee today.
    We've all been worried and are anxiously waiting to hear she's alright.
     
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