10/29 Ming + 1 = 12.6 PMPS = 86 or 4.8 (AMPS = 142, +2 = 50) reduced to 5u in PM with MC meal

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  1. Crista & Ming

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    I’ll give him his pred first. He’s hungry
     
  3. Tanya and Ducia

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    Hi,
    have you done any more tests after stalling?
    Has he come up?
    @Crista & Ming
     
  4. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Well well...there’s an eye opener!
    can you stall ?
    Don’t feed.,
     
  5. Crista & Ming

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    I’ll do a test now :)
     
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    Not feeding. And I’m here at home all day
     
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    146 after 45 minutes
     
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    the same numbers, basically. Good thing it was not lower.
     
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    When do you return to work? I’m wondering how long you can stall without creating a schedule conflict
     
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  10. Tanya and Ducia

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    Your SS says that you are testing for ketones daily:)cool::)) - does it mean Ming had DKA?
    If yes you probably want to shoot something although the number is low.
     
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    Tomorrow night. I would be leaving the house after his PM shoot time so after 7PM on Tuesday. There’s someone home to shoot him if needed.

    Yes he had DKA two weeks ago along with pancreatitis.
     
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    Is this happening because his dose is too much actually? Or just a weird thing he decided to do?
     
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    sorry to hear that. I hope he recovers promptly.


    I hope someone with greater experience will give their opinions but with DKA and you beeng at home I'd shoot.
    @Sandy and Black Kitty what would you do?
     
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  14. Tanya and Ducia

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    I do not think I agree with that. The dose seems to be good BC both PS your took - 142 & 146 - are good, nice , safe numbers.
     
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    No more pancreatitis as of right now :) he’s got a big history of em and it’s why I’m here trying Lantus
     
  16. Tanya and Ducia

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    My Ducia had DKA in 2017. Lantus helped her great deal.
     
  17. Wendy&Neko

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    It looks like Ming likes to nadir late. Neko did too on both Lantus and Levemir. If he’s a late nadir cat, you have to get used to shooting lower. Since you are home all day, and he’s just had DKA, I would shoot, provided you have plenty of test strips and some high carb wet food or corn syrup/honey around. I know you have easy access to a vet hospital if needed, though I don’t think you will.
     
  18. Crista & Ming

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    Ooookkkk so... I guess I’ll feed and give 6 units?
     
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    Well look at Ming.. Such a big difference. Good job Crista, being the voice for Ming.
     
  20. Tanya and Ducia

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    take a test before
     
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    Back to 142 30 minutes after. I’ll feed now
     
  22. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    It’s a lovely number but we don’t have much Lantus history here and most of his past history is blurred by all the dose hopping.
    This is the first blue PS you have encountered since starting Lantus.
    I don’t recommend skipping due to ketone history. So that leaves shooting the full 6u or a one time partial dose. What do you think?
     
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    NN said she would agree with 6 units. 5 is safe but runs the risk of him going high.

    I am... undecided. I guess the only way is to try? 5.5 units maybe?
     
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    To keep the depot going, 6 units would be best. Taking off half a unit won’t significantly change how this cycle will go. Delaying acts like a bit of a reduction, His numbers are basically flat.
     
  26. Crista & Ming

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    Ok 6 units it is. I’ve got FF gravy cans, temptations, and honey.
     
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  27. Crista & Ming

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    Would I shoot again at 7 pm tonight or 8 pm
     
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    Wendy makes a good point.
    Can you count on him to eat if you need to guide the numbers later in the cycle?
     
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    Yeah I think he’ll eat
     
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  30. Wendy&Neko

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    You can make up the schedule by 1/2 hour once a day or 15 minutes a shot. If he’s really high, you might be able to shoot a bit earlier. Post here and ask.
     
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  31. Crista & Ming

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    Ok I’m shooting 6 now!
     
  32. Wendy&Neko

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    Get a +1 test. It will give you a heads up on how the cycle will play out. Always a good test when you shoot your lowest yet to date. Plus it gives you an idea how much of a numbers bump he gets from food.
     
  33. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    I’ll be in and out today however I will look in when I can.

    BTW, how is Ming?
    Purring, peeing, pooping, preening, playing? (5 Ps)
     
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    Right now, he is awake and walking around. And eating well. He is peeing 2-3 times a day and seems to poop once a day. I can’t quite remember. Poop is solid.

    He doesn’t play too much aside from dragging his toys around. He didn’t do much of that yesterday. He did that this morning.

    Purring last night. I see him preening.
     
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    What am I looking for in the +1 test?
     
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    Also what number should I start loading him up with carbs? Under 50? I get sort of panicky when he reaches 80.
     
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  37. Olive & Paula

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    Can you get your ss updated and edit your title with your readings so we can see where your at?
     
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  38. Tanya and Ducia

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    That's right - HC or MC if below 50.
    It would be better if you use only the gravy part out of HC/MC can - without meat.
    The gravy part is fast but short acting. ECID, with my cat it starts working in about15-20 min but doesn't last long, maybe just over one hour. The solid MC/HC might have much longer effect but will keep the BG higher than needed for a while afterwards. I used to feed solid LC topped with gravy from FF Gravy Lovers, worked well w/ lower numbers.
    The +1 test will tell you what kind of food bump he gets - how many points up from the PS. Take a note of quantity and carbs content for future ref.
    If he as Wendy said is a late nadir cat than try not to overfill him with food - you may need him hungry later on.
     
  39. Kris & Teasel

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    Usually the high carb food is used when they're very near, at or below 50. I like the 6 u dose.
     
  40. Crista & Ming

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    Ok! I’ve been updating the SS as I’ve been testing. Maybe it’s delaying the update or something.
     
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  41. Crista & Ming

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    Ahhhh 68 at +1
     
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  42. Tanya and Ducia

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    i think you can start giving a bit of gravy now. Retest in 45-60.It is large drop and too early.
     
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    Ok I gave him FF chicken and cheese with gravy and some meowmix. He’s chowing it down
     
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    Like a 1tbsp of both together in total. Might be overload lol
     
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  45. Tanya and Ducia

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    do you know what was the carbs count?
    I am not familiar with either.
    A table spoon maybe a little too much but we will know with the next test. Take a test in an hour after he's eaten.
    I hope it won't be overload because there are reasons to expect him to nadir late.
    2 teaspoons is ok to give in situations like that.

    ETA: he may also bounce from that +1 drop. The 68 as a number is good and safe. But how quickly and after food onboard it was too fast. Many cats do bounce from fast drops v. lower that usual numbers. Mine does.
     
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    I’m not sure how to figure out the carb content but I know meowmix is high carb. I might have freaked out lol

    NN (night nurse) said this drop is his reaction to the last dose? Or would it also be a reaction to the dose we just gave him?
     
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  47. Sandy and Black Kitty

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    Being that Lantus is a slow acting depot type of insulin, the effects are cumulative, they build over several cycles.
     
  48. Tanya and Ducia

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    it's hard to answer BC Lantus is the depot type insulin, accumulates itself in the tissues over period of several cycles - could be up to 6.
    You are on the 4th cycle . The drop probably means that depot is established and now starts working as it should.
    ich exactly dose at work is easier to point with in and out types - like ProZ you used. Lantus is different.
    IMHO.

    68 is safe, no need to freak.
    But you are going to have busy morning testing.
     
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    Ah I think that’s what she meant in a way. With the exception that she’s reassuring me that the new dose hasn’t taken effect yet if she’s correct.

    Thanks Tanya. Phew!

    What would this mean for tonight’s dose?
     
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  50. Tanya and Ducia

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    let's not put a horse before the carriage.
    The day will show.
     
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    Okay! Sorry, I shall remind myself to breathe, be patient, and trust.

    He’s currently sleeping.
     
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    One thing that NN and I think about Ming is that he doesn’t really seem to be affected by low or moderate carb foods. She mentioned once, when he was around 60, that she fed him some DM dry but didn’t see him react too much to it. But she also said it was just DM dry or maybe she didn’t feed enough.
     
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  53. Tanya and Ducia

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    the dry takes a lot longer hit the bloodstream and affect BG. If she tested sooner then that the result is inaccurate and his carbs sensitivity is TBD yet..
    I think you'll learn a lot today about his foods reaction - by testing and by feeding small amount.

    What exactly is the name on the can of FF you used at +1?
    I'll try to find carbs value.
     
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    Fancy Feast Delights. Tuna and Cheddar cheese in gravy.

    NN gave me a ziplock bag of meowmix dry months ago. So can’t say for sure what the name is.
     
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    She tested about 30 mins to an hour after she would feed him DM dry.

    I mention his reaction to his food also since he ate a whole 3oz can of Fancy Feast turkey and giblets. But at the time of +1, he only ate about 75% of the can. It’s now probably 95% finished. Plus the LIBERAL tablespoon of meowmix dry and FF tuna and cheese
     
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    When you have to guide a cycle with food, make notes in the remarks section about what you fed, when you fed and the effect on BG. It will serve as a guide the next time around.





     
  57. Wendy&Neko

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    Time for another test, looks like it’s been an hour.
     
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  58. Tanya and Ducia

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    somehow i think it was LC. But most likely it is safe to assume that dry treats were very HC.
    Is it a time to take the +2 test?

    @Wendy&Neko Is there a Canadian food list to figure out the carbs?My US list doesn't have FF Delight.
     
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    He's at 50 now.
     
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    The turkey and gibs is LC I believe. But the Delights with the tuna and cheese i would assume has SOME amount of carbs.

    Time for more food..? If he'll eat?
     
  61. Wendy&Neko

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    Ok, time for the big guns for carbs. Give a couple tsps of the gravy food, just the gravy bits if you can, if you have some corn syrup or honey, add a drop of that. Don’t overfill. He is in safe numbers still, we just don’t want him any lower.

    This answers the question about six units. It’s too much. We’ll work on his new dose later.
     
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    Ok 1 tbsp of the FF gravy with a finger smudge of honey. I can't do a drop because it's the soft/hard kind.

    Should I test in half an hour?
     
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    yes please
     
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    If it means anything, he went hypo way back in the beginning with he was on 6 units of PZI and he showed no symptoms. This cat....
     
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    I think I need to check my reading comprehension cuz I just saw that read it as 1 tbsp. Not even a couple of tbsp. Just ONE TBSP. So that's why I gave him one.
     
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    Sorry, but I really need to understand: in regards with what is happening right now, if I didn't give him his insulin shot, would he have just went up from 142? Since I'm getting conflicting information. The sticky said onset happens around +2. But there's a chance that it still happens right after a dose, right?

    I also poked him lower on the back where NN said insulin absorbs better. I wonder if I kept it at the scruff if it would make any difference at all. But for consistency sake, I'll stick to poking him in the same place.
     
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  67. Tanya and Ducia

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    He did went up when you skipped so, imho, I think he would and he should be avoiding it BC of DKA.
    The sticky said onset happens around +2. But there's a chance that it still happens right after a dose, right?[/QUOTE] - "average" onset but not for every cat. I know one whose onset was at +1 or a bit earlier.
    There is not enough data yet in the SS for me to understand Ming's doings.
    Early drops can also be suggestive of a longer than 12h duration of the insulin potency for each shot if combined with early onset. This way 2 doses - the current and the last one work together for some time producing lows.
     
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    4.8 or 86! Ok phew.

    What are my next steps?
     
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    I saw that happening in hospital but that was when they were overdosing him in the morning. So although I saw the trend, I don't think we can use it/it doesn't mean anything.

    I'm glad you are all here. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    do not feed now.
    Take a test in 45 - 60 min.
    if the same / higher- do not feed. Retest in another 45 - 60.
    If lower give 2 Tea spoons of the gravy alone. Post right away.
    Wendy might have different idea - listen to her over me please, she is a pro.

    @Crista & Ming ETA: since we are not sure what carbs is in your FF Delights please take a test 45 min later rather than 1 hour. Gravy sounds HC to the american ear. But 1) you are in CA, foods vary, and 2) I have seen cheese/ gravy cat foods which nonetheless were lower than 6% carbs. It won't be enough for right now - more like 12-15%. Let 's learn sooner were he is.
     
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    Reason for edit: add info+suggestion
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    most likely however you never know. You are starting to build a new history right now. A lot of discovery happening these past few days.
    Onset varies from cat to cat. Learning when Lantus onset occurs is important. Since you are not starting from scratch here, it makes it trickier.
     
  72. Crista & Ming

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    Also wondering: when do I use the icon for 911 in the title?
     
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  73. Wendy&Neko

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    The other possibility with a late nadir cat is that he nadired around +14. I did spot the occasional +13 nadir with Neko.

    If he's asking for food, you could give a couple tsps of LC, but otherwise hold off on food. The LC food can help him surf or hang out in the nice number range he's in now.

    911 is for medical emergencies. It's a bit overused around here. Some people use it to gain attention, but once you have eyes on you, it should be removed.
     
  74. Crista & Ming

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    How do you deal with a late nadir cat?
     
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  75. Wendy&Neko

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    Not much different really that a nadir anywhere else. You learn the onset and typical nadir times and try to figure out duration to help guide you in the best times to test. With Neko, her onset was also a little later. I could shoot low numbers and know I had some time before onset. We still dose Lantus by how low the dose takes the cat, doesn't really matter when in the cycle that is. The advantage of those really later nadirs around preshot, is that you are usually home for the low points of the cycle.
     
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    Would it be helpful to give you whats listed on the can?

    Crude Protein (min) 10%
    Crude Fat (min) 2%
    Crude Fibre (max) 1.5%
    Moisture (max) 80%
    Ash (max) 3%

    Ingredients: Fish broth, tuna, wheat gluten, liver, meat by-products vegetable starch-modified, chicken, cheese (there's more but I don't think necessary).
     
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    You beat me to it, @Red & Rover (GA) ! Thanks :)

    Edit: And it's actually tuna, my mistake. But I'm sure it's the same.
     
  81. Tanya and Ducia

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    :confused:Nope! I am totally hopeless if math symbols are involved, lol.
     
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  82. Tanya and Ducia

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    HERE is the write up that might help.
    It escapes me, somehow...
     
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  83. Crista & Ming

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    I found this

    So if my calculator is correct, it's 3.5 % carb on a wet matter basis. What da heck lol

    NOPE! Don't listen to me. Lemme do the step three that @Tanya and Ducia just posted
     
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  84. Tanya and Ducia

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    take a test a bit earlier than full hour
     
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  85. Wendy&Neko

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    I never used the Canadian food list. It is ages old, plenty of time for manufacturers to change their formulas. A large majority of what is on Dr. Lisa's food list is available here. Plus I mostly fed raw. I got the nutrional break down from Red Dog/Blue Kat if you are interested in any of their raw foods. They are all low carb, mostly in the 3-5% range. Some are higher phosphorus than others.

    The GA or guaranteed analysis on the side of the can only tells you minimums, not actuals. You need either the DM (dry matter basis) or As-Fed numbers.

    For high carb foods, any of the Fancy Feast Gravy Lovers are high carb, though contain wheat and as I discovered, can cause GI upset. There are high carb foods with carbs from potatoes. Weruva's Grandma's Chicken Soup is over 20%. And some of their Cats in the Kitchen pouches are lower HC.
     
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    If my calculations are correct, it's around 19% carbs.

    Interesting! I used to avoid things like gluten, carageenan, and potatoes. I got kind of lazy after and was feeding Ming mostly FD raw and FF classics that don't have gluten and all that stuff. Sometimes, I would occasionally give him a random can for fun but I will be more careful now. Didn't know gluten can cause GI upset.

    And I'll look into the foods with potatoes. There's that one Canadian brand that looks AMAZING but turns out, they used potato so that's why I don't buy it. I also don't know if he'll eat any of the non-gluten foods but it'll be good to have on hand.
     
  87. Red & Rover (GA)

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    What is throwing me is: on Dr. Lisa's food list, the protein in FF ranges from 39 to 77%.
     
  88. Crista & Ming

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    7.2 or 132 right now
     
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    You mentioned that before and I looked into it - seems like a good product but it $2 per 2.8oz can here.
    Given that only a portion of it will be used for steering up it's a bit too much for me, had to stick with FF Gravy Lovers or Grilled.
     
  90. Crista & Ming

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    Hopefully he's not bouncing..??? I never know with this cat.

    Weruva is darn $$$ haha. But what a great food.
     
  91. Crista & Ming

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    I'm still a little confused about bouncing honestly. NN and vets call it rebounding but it's the same thing, I know.

    How many points in what duration = bouncing?
     
  92. Wendy&Neko

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    Depends on the cat, some are fine with it. Mine wasn't. As for that Canadian brand, if you are talking about First Mate, most of their foods are high carb. It's unfortunately as most of the rest of the food in their is all organic meat. Not sure if you can get really small cans of that food, though you could always open it and freeze half right away for use later. They would be a suitable option for HC. We also had a couple members feeding raw experiment with making their own HC gravy by adding rice flour or potato flour.

    @Tanya and Ducia The Cats in the Kitchen pouches are small quantities, which is why I used them.

    Bouncing is a reaction to lower numbers than they are used to, or fast drops. Duration isn't part of the equation.
     
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  93. Tanya and Ducia

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    Ok, he is going up. It could be a bounce starting.
    If he is hungry feed a little LC. If not - do not offer. I would take a test in 60 - min again to make sure he stays safe.

    If he is higher then take a pokey break until afternoon. The suspicion of Ming being late nadir cat is very legit and you 'll need to test to catch any late drops before they take over.
     
  94. Crista & Ming

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    Yes, First Mate! I bought some when I noticed them on the shelves. He didn't really love it. Ate sometimes only. His appetite is different nowadays though so he might eat it.

    Ah, I see. If he doesn't have any sudden spikes then we can safely say he's not bouncing. :)

    Edit: Oh. Nevermind. Just read Tanya's post hahaha.
     
  95. Wendy&Neko

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    ECID, cats bounce differently too. For some people with well regulated cats, a high blue might be a bounce, for overly dramatic cats, it might mean entering the black zone. Neko used to delay her bounces as bit. The start of the third cycle after her low event or drop was when she hit her peak. Most react strongly right away. Test and learn what Ming does.
     
  96. Tanya and Ducia

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    if he repeatedly doesn't spike up after low/ fast drop then we can say he is not a bouncer.
    But it is about a few days worth of testing away - AM and PM.
     
  97. Crista & Ming

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    I'm looking at his SS while he was on PZI. That one time he went hypo, by the end of the cycle, he was black. But that's PZI.

    Then that one time in hospital on Lantus, he on 10/24 PM, he went up fast. But I was also panic-loading him carbs. And he was in hospital.

    This was probably the most conservative I've been when feeding him during a low.
     
  98. Crista & Ming

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    10/21 PM was when NN was watching him and she feeds him slowly and not crazy like me. She said she would feed about a 1 tsp of dry. That was also when he had active pancreatitis.

    Sorry, no, he didn't have pancreatitis anymore but we were trying to break his glucose toxicity.
     
  99. Tanya and Ducia

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    record all foods in the Remarks in the SS.
    You can look at it later in the similar situation.
    If it is only LC that you have at home then adding a few drops of honey or karo will help.
    Or, perhaps, you can get hold of high quality maple syrup - it's a natural product and is better than gluten loaded gravy or karo (GM corn),
     
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  100. Wendy&Neko

    Wendy&Neko Senior Member Moderator

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    We are both in Canada - no problem getting good maple syrup. :) BTW Crista, karo is the US brand name for corn syrup. As both Sandy and Tanya suggested, putting down quantities and times of extra food will help you in the future. I used to put something like "2 tsp HC plus drop syrup @+4". Then I could track what impact that feeding had on the numbers the next time I was facing lower numbers.
     

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