Hey..so i'm not sure Miel is gonna last much longer....

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  1. mirnta

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    4 years now with diabetes....i can no longer seem to regulate. He is deteriorating..doesnt groom...seems his balance is off and a bit out of it. He won't gain weight anymore....i don't know what to do. He is 14. Can someone please tell me what's next??? Thx
     
  2. JanetNJ

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    Awe. :( I'm sorry to hear he isn't doing well. What are his numbers like? I don't see a link to your spreadsheet. Maybe he had something else going on like ckd or cancer. Has he been to the vet?
     
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    I dont have a spreadsheet. I write it out by hand and have this whole time, ive told everyone on here that. Haha. Not recently to the vet. His #s were fine. He was doing a little boomeranging so i lowered the dose. I just cant seem to get it right anymore..he was well regulated for 4 yrs. I dont know what else i can do..
     
  4. Bron and Sheba (GA)

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    I would set up a spreadsheet and start recording the BSL on it. Also the last couple of months bsl as well would be very useful. There are people here who will be able to help you but they need to see the spreadsheet.
    His balance problems could be from neuropathy if his numbers have been high lately. The higher numbers could also explain the weight loss.
     
  5. Bama Kitty Mom (GA)

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    My boy was diagnosed 4 years ago, on the same insulin the whole time, and I can't seem to get him regulated any more. I'm considering an insulin change but going to continue on the same insulin for another few weeks until he is due for a new vial. Maybe consider a change of insulin?
     
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    How are his teeth? Is a dental warranted?
     
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    Thanks but ive been on here for 4 yrs and have still never done a spreadsheet and i wont be, sorry. I don't need help with his numbers..i need to know what the next step is when regulating no longer works.
     
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    Last time he was in a year ago they were fine...i can bring him in again to see tho..
     
  9. mirnta

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    yes i have thought of this...the prob is i cant afford any other ones..:( vetsulin is the cheapest...lemme know what happens if you decide to do that!
     
  10. mirnta

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    Anyone else deal with this? I am going to vet on fri...i think it might just be his time...this is horrible..he will barely eat now...
     
  11. Sharon14

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    If he’s not eating, he needs to see a vet. Be sure to test him for ketones. Sending prayers for Miel:bighug:
     
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    Thank you. He is eating, just not much. Vet is friday...but i don't think he's gonna tell me anything i don't already know. :(
     
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    If he's off his food at all, as Sharon says DO test his pee for ketones. Ketones can be very dangerous indeed for diabetics if they're allowed to build up, and expensive to treat. The test is simple. You just dip the end of a ketone test strip (available from most pharmacies) into a drop of pee. Then time it, and check the result. ...Crumpling plastic food wrap loosely in the litter tray is often an easy way to get a sample. You only need a drop.
    Anything above a 'trace' result is a reason to contact your vet ASAP.

    There are many possible reasons for the symptoms you describe...

    What have Miel's blood glucose numbers been over the past couple of days?

    Eliz
     
  14. Noah & me (GA)

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    Yes, I have just dealt with this. Our first sugar cat Nigel had textbook curves but Noah was a bouncer and his spreadsheet was in my head. There was just no point because every day had to be dealt with separately. His medical history was a mess, too long to go into here but he managed with a mouthful of rotten teeth and enough BUPE to live a pretty normal life. He knew who and where he was, he could still jump onto chairs and dealt with an 80 pound dog recently brought into the home.
    A cat that has recently stopped eating could be any number of things so I'll leave the medical advice to people smarter than me. What I can tell you is this. If it's something "simple" like dental I wouldn't be eating either so explore those possibilities with your vet and don't be shy about asking questions. Teeth can look fine last week and then suddenly make your life absolutely miserable. Noah's coat was always a mess but he trusted me enough to let me trim his belly. Lack of self grooming in older cats is not that unusual.
    I cannot go any further right now, still too emotional. Keep posting and let us know how your vet visit goes, make certain you get him weighed.
     
  15. Veronica & Babu-chiri

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    Sorry to hear he's not feeling well but the symptoms you are describing can be because of a number of things many which can be handled. Some of which once under control his blood glucose numbers may get OK again

    Ask the vet to check his kidneys, make sure they check for UTI and his teeth
     
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  16. Bama Kitty Mom (GA)

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    Have you checked the prices at Marks Marine Pharmacy in Canada for other insulins? If I go with another insulin I'll probably buy my supply there and go with the pens. Lantus, since that seems to be what most vets around here prescribe.
     
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  17. mirnta

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    No ketones. Bp is fine. No uti. He has severe kidney disease.
     
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    Is there anything i can do...my vet doesnt really think so at this point..
     
  19. Sharon14

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    Do you have a copy of his bloodwork? It may help us to see the actual kidney numbers. Are you giving him sub Q fluids. Here is a great source of info .http://www.felinecrf.org/index.htm Maybe start a new thread with kidney disease in the title to get more input.
     
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    I dont have a copy of anything yet...i just found out..he is suffering. How much longer should i allow him to suffer?
     
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    They gave him fluids, b vitamins and appetite stimulant yesterday. He is much worse today. He can barely walk. I dont think i have a choice anymore
     
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    With ckd you want to do sub q’s and get on a low carb low phosphorus wet food suck as tiki cat. Depending on the levels you may want to give a phosphorous binder such as aluminum hydroxide. High phosphorus can cause them to feel icky and not want to eat. Ask the vet for the most recent blood tests.
     
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  23. JanetNJ

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    Awe I'm sorry he's not doing well. :(. Is he eating anything?
     
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    I'm so sorry to read this. Did the vet indicate which stage it was at all?

    Whatever is decided I am right this moment sending you a hug. :bighug:
     
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    If your think your baby is suffering and your vet says the kidney failure is likely end stage and won’t get better, it’s reasonable to decide that enough is enough. I know that it is difficult and painful, but qualify of life is very important to take into consideration with pets. Whatever you decide, we are here for you. ❤️
     
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    Thinking of you <3
     
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    No not really..and altho he has strict diet at this point...im just feeding him whatever he will eat now. I just want him.to be happy at the end of his life.
     
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    Not yet..i will find out all that on monday. But it didnt sound good and he is just not happy
     
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    Thank you for these kind words..i really needed to hear them.
     
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  30. PussCatPrince - GA

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    What a horrible waiting game .
    I do hope you can have some cuddles & love time with Miel .

    As Ana has written. All our best wishes go with you for Monday & we shall be here no matter what.

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    Thank you. I got an early call from the vet..it is stage 2-3. Severe anemia too. 2.6 is the #? I gotta look up what that means. Even with the sub q fluids and vitamins i can do at home..my vet doesnt think he will last more than a month tops. He is barely eliminating. I think it is his time to go...as horrifically painful as it is..i cant watch him suffer anymore.
     
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    Do you mean 26 for the hct? Yes that is low. My ckd boy had an hct if 29. We were able to get it up with b12 and a b complex with iron. There are drugs that can be given for severe anemia (starts with an a). V
     
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  33. Noah & me (GA)

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    Hope you find some peace today. When there is nothing you can do anymore and an animal is suffering is an awful feeling.
    Everyone here has been through this and although it might not make sense right now we do know how you feel. You might not feel like sharing those thoughts but when or if you do we are here for you. :bighug:
     
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    I know it is difficult, but you are making the right decision. I am not sure if you read any of my posts, but I waited too long - Frosty didn’t make it to his euthanasia appointment and passed the morning of the appt, on his own and I felt that he suffered unnecessarily. He was in distress and although I rushed him to the ED he passed before they were able to give him any meds. I felt a lot of guilt about it, and I know there are others who feel the same way. It’s fair to give it a few days, but I told myself if Frosty does poorly for 3 days straight, it was a sign that it was time. I really wish I made the decision just a day earlier. I don’t know if that helps.

    Keep us posted. Many of us have lost our babies recently, and we are here and understand your pain. ❤️
     
  35. Veronica & Babu-chiri

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    Sorry to hear he's not doing well but still I would like to tell you that stage 2-3 can be handled and they can have a fairly ok live with diet, some supplements and probably subq fluids and phosphorus binders (once you start all of this he will start feeling better) ,

    The anemia is at this point is probably the hardest thing to manage and what is causing him to feel worse probably but that can be treated also, besides the vitamins there's some meds that can help with that, I've known of people that have had transfusions for treating anemia (not easily available where I live so I don't know much about it just that is an option) , but is important that the vet finds out what's causing the anemia that is probably the hardest part and once you find that out then you can have a more accurate prognosis


    Did the vet told you what his phosphorus levels are?

    If his phosphorus level is high (and with stage 2-3 they probably are ) that could be causing him nausea and of course not eating properly you can give him anti nausea med and that will help him feel better (you can give him SEB slippery elm too for that ), and you will need to give him special kidney diet, just not be careful with what kidney diet you give him because most kidney diets are high carb, you need a low carb low phosphorus diet (or with phosphorus binders)
     
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    Thinking of you with blessings & comforting hugs today. This is a gift to our most precious of friends... :bighug::bighug:
     
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  37. Larry and Kitties

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    Several of my recent angel cats had a sudden decrease in kidney function from mild CKD to very severe/end stage CKD. That is a HCT fo 20 with phosphorus off scale even with a lot of phosphorus binder being used. They had the same symptoms as Miel. Regarding muscle weakness that an be caused by low potassium.
     
  38. Dusty Bones

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    Prayers that you both find peace soon.
     
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    I'm sorry you are going through this. You are a good catmom and it's obvious you love your Miel. Whatever you decide, I wish you comfort and peace. :bighug:
     
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    Here is his lab report if that helps. Thank you everyone for your kind words. His phospherous(sp?) is nornal
     

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    Hopefully one of the really experienced in lab work will take a look soon, but this is what I can understand of his labs

    He's stage 2 CKD ( I suggest you take a look at Tanya's web page where there's some really valuable information about CKD that can actually help you http://www.felinecrf.org/how_bad_is_it.htm) and stage 2 is really very manageable with diet especially since his phosphorus level is quite normal still you need to get him a low phosphorus low carb diet and that would help him a lot, at this point he doesn't even need subqs with a creatinine of 2.6 (it is usually given when they are above 3.5), unless he's dehydrated for some other reason

    He may have a mild anemia but since is still mild he probably could get better with some B complex and B12 vitamins and a follow up

    His potassium is low which can explain for his weakness, lack of appetite and apathy you should talk about it with the vet so that you can give him potassium orally ( renal k if you can get the powder version because the gel has a lot of sugar in it or just potassium gluconate is fairly easy to give with water or food ) but giving potassium should always be done with vet supervision because it has to be monitored closely

    He could be having some sort of infection are his teeth ok? has he been tested for IBD or pancreatitis?
     
  42. Larry and Kitties

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    The creatinine level is only a little elevated. The urine specific gravity of 1.015 is indicative of kidney problems. The high reticulocyte means that the body is producing more red blood cells in reaction to the HCT of only 21%. This indicates that the kidney deficiency is not the cause of the low HCT.

    Also the potassium is and oral or subQ supplements can be administered.
     
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    Thanks for the info. He is already on a zero carb diet. And he barely eats so i just give him what he'll eat.hes already been tested for everything. He is very dehydrated and was given fluids. Im going to get some vits and fluids to do at home. He has severe anemia. And most likely pancreatitis.
     
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    I dont really understand what yr saying sorry. I dont know what hct is. He has severe anemia and most likely pancreatitis i was told.
     
  45. PussCatPrince - GA

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    I'll tag @Marje and Gracie . Hopefully she may come by.

    I was going to post up about the CKD Iris scale yesterday but did not as I thought maybe I had misunderstood which stage it was .
    Stage 2 CKD is treatable and manageable. Many , many cats live with CKD stage II for years . Stage 4 is end life.
    Pancreatitis is also treatable as is anemia.

    If pusscat feels nauseous then an appetite stimulant is not such a good idea. It should be anti-nausea first.

    Mirnta's vet has given a prognosis of just one month though so perhaps something else is going on.

    @mirnta

    I am so sorry you are going through this. You know your cat and you must follow your gut feeling.
     
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    I think too soon or too late can be very hard....i think we are just too hard on ourselves...we arent perfect and we cant read the future..we can only make the best decision at the time. <3
     
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    If it's so easily treatable why did he say it was not?
     
  48. PussCatPrince - GA

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    I'd go along with that one. We cannot always control the pace of life or the arrival of death can we. Sometimes we must just work hard to accept.

    No treatment or change is easy really but I don't know Mirnta. Maybe there is something else going on.

    CKD stage II can be managed . That's about low phos in the diet.

    Hopefully some of the guru's will be along soon for you with their experience and practical thoughts.
     
  49. Jill & Alex (GA)

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    I've sent Marje both a PM and an email. I have no idea if she's available at the moment, but I'm sure she'll stop by when she can. She may be able to help put things in perspective.

    :bighug:
     
  50. Veronica & Babu-chiri

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    I would ask the vet why is he giving this prognosis and if there's something else besides the CKD stage 2 , because stage 2 is really something they can live with and have a very good quality of life

    HCT is the ratio of the volume of red blood cells to the total volume of blood which in his case is a low but not terribly low still in a treatable range if you act soon, so I would also ask the vet why is he saying he has severe anemia

    Basically I think you need to ask the vet to clarify the prognosis a bit more
     
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    Thank you!
     
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    Ok. Good to know i will ask when i go get the fluids and vitamins. Thank you.
     
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  54. Marje and Gracie

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    I’m not sure why your vet feels Miel is on death’s door because his numbers don’t indicate that. His CKD is early stage 2...in fact, not even to the point were you’d give daily Subq fluids. His phosphorus is at a great level.

    I agree with Larry that it looks like he has regenerative anemia which makes me wonder if he’s got a mycoplasma. Does he go outside....ever any issues with ticks or fleas or mosquitos? I’d ask my vet about these things because it doesn’t look like the CKD is causing this anemia but at 21% on his hematocrit, he probably feels pretty bad along with the pancreatitis (see below).

    He also needs a potassium supplement but this has to be dosed by the vet. Many use NOW potassium gluconate but, again, you must work with the vet on this and get it precisely dosed and monitored because too high of a potassium level is as bad as too low.

    It’s not common to see high magnesium in cats although cats with advanced CKD can have it but his kidney values don’t indicate that at all. I’d definitely question the vet. Do you use any laxatives with him because they can cause high magnesium. I’ve looked at literally hundreds of labs and this is the first high magnesium I’ve seen. You said he is “barely eliminating”. Do you mean peeing because urinary blockages can also cause the magnesium to be high. Fluid therapy can help with high magnesium but it’s important to figure out why it’s high. It would also be best to have his blood pressure checked as magnesium levels can affect the BP.

    While CKD cats often have issues with potassium, I wonder more if this is not CKD related since he’s not in a very advanced stage. Insulin can cause the uptake of potassium from the blood into the cells leaving a lower potassium level but it’s not typically that low so I still believe it’s due to something else. The wobbliness is likely attributable to the low potassium. He will feel better if you can talk to the vet about this ASAP.

    As soon as I saw his labs, what popped out to me is pancreatitis. He has the symptoms and cats with pancreatitis will feel really bad. You might want to read THIS post on pancreatitis which discusses symptoms and treatments. He would benefit from Subq fluids for pancreatitis and also pain meds like buprenorphine as well as an anti nausea drug such as ondansetron. I’d discuss all of this with my vet after you read the post on pancreatitis.

    He also has a bit of protein in his urine which should be addressed at some point. It might or might not be of significance.

    If your vet doesn’t respond to treat the above...all of which are treatable...I’d find another vet. From his labs, I just don’t see that he is at the point that he will only live another month but he needs the anemia, potassium, and magnesium and pancreatitis issues addressed immediately with some meds and supportive care.

    Many vines and hopes your vet will be more proactive.
     
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    Ok ...that is a lot..i will try to answer..no laxatives. He has a hard time pooping tho. Can you summarize the mycoplasma.i am having a hard time understanding it all with the stress..yes fleas of course. What do i do about it? He was severly dehydrated i dont know why. Like i said i am getting all that stuff from the vet, but this so goddamn overwhelming and so much stuff tied in with also giving insulin, it makes me feel like im gonna go insane and do not have the strength to manage all this. He only leaves his box to eat and pee. Thanks.
     
  56. Marje and Gracie

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    I would imagine the lethargy is the anemia. That really needs to be addressed immediately.

    Mycoplasma...also referred to as Hemoplasmas...are parasites transmitted by fleas, ticks, mosquitos. They can cause feline infectious anemia which is usually treated with an antibiotic like doxycycline and also possibly a blood transfusion.

    The CKD and pancreatitis can cause dehydration. Subq fluids on a temporary basis can help him feel better. I’d be surprised at a vet that wouldn’t have given him Subq fluids while he was there.
     
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  57. PussCatPrince - GA

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    My simple understanding is it is a bacteria problem given from an infected flea or tick. It can be treated with anti-biotics .
    Anemia, lethargy, lack of appetite are among the symptoms.

    Pancreatitis can be treated with fluids and pain relief.

    You are not going to go bonkers @mirnta . We shan't allow it & you can lean on all of us no matter what.

    Are you able to use another vet at all? .
     
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    ok. Thanks.
    Is there a test for mycoplasma or should i just mention it? Will antibiotics wreck his lil body when he's already so sick?
     
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    Thank you so much. I really appreciate it cuz i am falling apart....he has been my vet for ten years but if he doesnt wanna help, i can...
     
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    Yes, the lab that did his blood tests, Antech, has a PCR test for it.

    ECID when it comes to antibiotics but if that’s what he needs to feel better, isn’t it worth a try? Some cats tolerate them well; some have issues but can take them anyway.
     
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    Ok i will ask for it. He doesnt handle them well...he pukes and gets the runs pretty badly..
     
  62. Marje and Gracie

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    I would discuss everything with the vet.
     
  63. PussCatPrince - GA

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    I'm not surprised. I would be too & worse. This was often me -----> images.jpg You feel free to be this way too anytime you like.

    Have another chat with your vet. If he has been with you guys for ten years he should know you enough to give a little breathing space with this & offer some further guidance whatever that might be.

    Marje and others have offered some good sound help and suggestions here.

    Perhaps write down what you wish to ask or suggest. I always had to do that in case my voice & reason failed me . Hopefully he will be open to taking a good long look & be helpful to you & Miel. Wonderful name and avatar by the way.

    I know Miel is not at all comfy right now and this is a dreadful thing for you to see and feel for him. It hurts more than anything. I suppose it's about making sure of all your options for you both. Then when all corners have been checked and all avenues looked at - then you make a decision on what you will do for Miel.

    I'm in New Zealand and it is now nearly 7pm just so you know I haven't just written this and bogged off.
     
  64. PussCatPrince - GA

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    @mirnta.
    Tiz 11pm . I looked in to check on you. :bighug:
     
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  65. Noah & me (GA)

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    If you've never done subQ fluids or syringe feeding before, things that seem like an act of desperation and/or awful for a cat, it doesn't have to be that way.
    Many people here have done subQ so you'll get lots of good advive and I'm sure there must be a lot of Y-Tube videos.
    Syringe feeding does not have to be "force" feeding. It takes patience and although this is not scientific it requires love and maybe even a leap of faith.
    That's another thing we can all help you with.
    One very quick story. Noah's brother Andrew was very ill when we brought him home. Being locked up at the vet was too much trauma. Our vet had faith in us that we could syringe feed him and get his meds into him and we did. His nickname was Bright Eyes, those eyes came back and he lived many years after that.
     
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    Sorry for the double post.
    Physical pain and appetite never go well together. Noah had rotten teeth that could not be pulled and he detested oral BUPE so I used a transdermal BUPE on him for years. It made his life more than just tolerable.
    In Canada this stuff comes from a compounding pharmacy and has a short shelf life.
     
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  67. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    That info is fine for anemia caused by CKD but that’s not what is going on here with Miel. His lab tests indicate his anemia is regenerative, not non regenerative which is what you see with CKD. B12 is not likely to help and ESAs like Aranesp aren’t given for this type of anemia.
     
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  68. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    We did this VIDEO showing how to give Subq fluids at home specifically for FDMB members but it’s posted on YouTube and has been very, very popular.

    How is Miel today?
     
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  69. JanetNJ

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    Ok I'll delete
     
  70. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    You don’t need to. I just wanted to give the correct info. :)
     
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  71. Larry and Kitties

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    Regenerative anemia is cause either by internal bleeding or that the red blood cells are dying before the mature or that they are dying prematurely like from mycoplasma. Is the stool black? If so that could be due to an internal bleed in the upper GI tract and the blood is black since it is digested.
     
  72. mirnta

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    Thank you for that info!
     
  73. mirnta

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    Internal bleeding from what? It does appear to be darker.....?
     
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    What does regenerative mean? He is ok today..he is eating tons of wet food which is awesome. And he seems a little more alert and walking around some. Still very wobbly tho...i am in the process of moving so this is all really stressful.
     
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  75. mirnta

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    Thank you. He is hanging in there. Seems more alert today which is promising and he is eating wet food!! Hooray!
     
  76. JanetNJ

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    Eating more is a great sign
     
  77. Noah & me (GA)

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    When you're so sick even your hair hurts no one wants to even hear the word food.
    If he's eating that is fantastic. I've had the odd cat that thought moving and car rides were great fun but it's more likely he feels a bit stressed. Have a little talk with him, "Miel, you know you're coming with momma and that I love you right?" :bighug:
     
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  78. Marje and Gracie

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    Any kind of GI insult and it’s typically not just dark but black like tar. And that kind of consistency as well.

    It means he’s still capable of making new red blood cells as opposed to non regenerative anemia like you see in more advanced CKD where they are not able to make new blood cells.

    Have you spoken with the vet?
     
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  79. PussCatPrince - GA

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    I am so flippin' well pleased to hear from you. :bighug: & I am mighty happy to read he is eating.

    I agree. Moving is stressful .

    If you have a moment do try and speak with your vet & clear up a few things. No-one here wants you to feel despair like that. Especially if there is something that cold be helped and fixed. It could be the infected bite thing and therefore treatable anemia so a bit of treatment would see Miel tickety boo.

    Did you do the fluids and stuff that the vet gave you? Did he give you pain meds too ? Don't mean to ask a trillion questions. Just that you're one of us and he's one of the boys.

    Anyway. Please do keep popping in to let us know how everything is.
     
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  80. mirnta

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    Hello everyone thank you for writing. He *seems* to be doing much better. He scarfs down wet good now. Maybe part of the problem was he just didnt wanna eat his old food anymore? My vet is willing to proceed anyway i would like. Since moving was a nightmare i havent gotten the fluids and vits yet but soon. He is much more active, and stands more. Still wobbly. I feel pretty positive cuz he seemed to be at death's door and now at he alert and moving more. Vet soon. Thanks for all your advice.
     
  81. PussCatPrince - GA

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    Your vet sounds good @mirnta .

    Try and get the fluids pronto as these are quite important. Maybe join that in with a vet visit too as it will help the vet to see Miel as he is now . You can then go through again where things stand with Miel & what your options are.

    So pleased to read that ATM he is feeling better enough to move around and eat. Add a little water to his food to help hydration a little bit.
     
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  82. Ana & Frosty (GA)

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    Really glad to hear he’s doing better :bighug:
     
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  83. mirnta

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    Hi everyone....sorry i didnt update sooner..i moved and it was all waaay too overwhelming for me i had to take a break.
    Ok! I have learned to give fluids at home! Scary but cool. He is also on vitamins. He is doing so well it's amazing. He went from never leaving his box and falling over every time he walked to: he walks all the time, rarely loses balance, goes outside, grooms more, but not enough, eats like a CHAMP, i have a new loft bed and he climbs the stairs with relative ease. He has gained over a pound! He is almost back to normal. I have learned to bathe him, another scary thing i conquered!! The only issue right now is he is creating too much pee and cant hold it in all the time, and leaks. :( sucks..i have reduced fluids some. Will have check up in a couple weeks. According to my vet he should be dead in two weeks!! That is not gonna happen. I'm really proud at what ive accomplished. There is hope. Thank you everyone for helping me.
     
  84. JanetNJ

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    Fantastic there is such an improvement!!!
     
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  85. Noah & me (GA)

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    Now it's Karma time.
    You should start a new thread and call it "Miel's progress" or if you want to get artsy "Meil's incredible journey".
    He has come a long way since October 16. That seems like a long time ago doesn't it? You should be very proud.
     
  86. Veronica & Babu-chiri

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    Is great to hear he's back on his feet and doing well already.
     
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  87. Squeaky and KT (GA)

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    Congratulations on doing all that hard work - sounds like it certainly paid off for Miel! Your vet is going to be so shocked!
     
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  88. PussCatPrince - GA

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    That is wonderful news.

    Well done you.
     
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  89. mirnta

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    Thanks everyone. It's definitely been a very difficult journey..im happy i could make his life better, at least for now.
     
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