12/13 Apple PMPS 379 - Foamy urine associated with diabetes

I've been searching online for causes of foamy urine and it seems protein in urine= kidney disease.
Let me preface this post with the fact that I have absolutely no money for a vet, yet it seems that a prescription for Telmisartan might help.
Has anyone else been in this position and might have a home remedy or a food that is low carb and low protein? I feed him friskies pate that meets all the criteria for diabetes but not for kidney problem.

 

Caren I'm sorry to hear about the foaming...and I'm afraid I have 0 knowledge of that. I'm going to tag some of the experts here to see if they could perhaps weigh in:

@Chris & China (GA) @Wendy&Neko @Marje and Gracie @Sienne and Gabby (GA)

Anyone know of anyone else who might have some info on this condition?

 

Thank you Sue, I'm at wits end with this new development.

 

Proteinuria
http://www.felinecrf.org/proteinuria.htm

 

Thank you for the link, reading now..

 

Why do you think his urine is foamy?

 

And to add to that question, is it every time he pees?

I don’t know if any responsible vet that would give any heart medication (which are used off label for proteinuria) without verifying that he has proteinuria.

Perhaps you can check into care credit or other financial resources to help you get labs done.

 

Macka's urine is foamy... I thought it was because the jet was strong, since he drinks a lot.
Now I wonder... His pee sticks always show some proteins + or ++, I didn't know what it meant.

I hope it's alright and that our babies are fine enough

Fancy Feast is not great for phosphorus BTW.

 

Right, that's the problem. I'll check that out and thanks again.

 

The more he pees the more foam there is...I looked it up and was of course dismayed. His pee stick showed + or trace. I feed him the friskies pate.

 

Most vets that I have worked with and spoken to say that the nutritional needs for the Diabetic pet come first. Over the past 12 years, there have been some conflicting information regarding the effects of protein on the Kidneys and not all vets seem to be sold on the low protein notion. My previous veterinarian thought a diet closer to the cats natural diet was always best and my current vet isn't sure either way and puts everyone on Hills M/D I think. He says we don't know enough about both Diabetes and Kidney Failure in Cats honestly. ACE inhibitors are often used to treat renal failure in cats, but in humans- especially those who are diabetic, they have been linked to kidney damage. Most of the information I have seen says of course more water/moisture is important, low phosphorus diets are best and can help control creatinine levels, and using omega 3s or fish oil to reduce inflammation is worth the trouble.
Sometimes, the local SPCAs and such have out clinics and can run some test. Maybe you could catch some urine and have someone send it off for a complete urinalysis and protein/creatinine ratio?
I hope you can figure it out and that your little furbaby is alright.

 

... some cats will show trace amounts of protein with recurrent UTIs...I'd really check and get all the info before you worry too much. I know that sounds silly.

 

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/12-13-garfield-beggining-stage-2-renal-failure.222902/


seems to be some experienced folks having a CKD/CRF convo...maybe some of the information or resources can help clear things up

 

Neko had proteinuria. Her urine was not foamy. She was on benazapril to help get her urine protein/creatinine ratio into better numbers. But you need bloodwork and a urinalysis first. You can not diagnose without data.

If you read the Feline CRF site that Lizzie linked, you will see it’s low phosphorus, not low protein you want, until they get to later stage CRF.

 

Well that's all great information, thank you. Common story here, live in a tiny town, no services except vets. My last vet all but wanted to put him to sleep when the diabetes diagnosis came back...but I will call the office and see if they'll be up for a urine catch and do a urinalysis without an office visit. I'll get some 3s or fish oil from Amazon. I'm even thinking about making an appt with my internist and see if I can talk him into a sample of the Ace Inhibitor if they've got one. There's got to be some way, right. Not giving up by any means. Much love to everyone that answered my post.

 

Nothing sounds silly, it's all good information when you're starting at zero.

 

Do you have any labs on Apple? If not, can you get them from your vet? If so, please do so and fill in the values on the labs tab on his spreadsheet.

 

Nordic Naturals is a very good Omega3 and they formulate for pets (meaning they have a dropper that's calibrated for small animals).

I would be very cautious asking your doctor for an Rx for an ACE. The dosing may be calibrated for humans and some medications can't be cut up in order to dose for a cat.

 

Caution well taken. I'll discuss it with him, I'll have to tell him the reason to begin with, he's a nice guy and will let me know. And thanks for the heads up on the Nordic Naturals. Is this what you're talking about: https://www.chewy.com/nordic-natura...MIzYqS57K15gIVBrbICh1NjQlJEAQYASABEgIDYfD_BwE

 

Yes -- that's the Nordic Naturals. (I work with one of the top people in the field of stress and inflammation and that's the brand she recommends -- at least for humans!!)

 

Ordered! Thank you