1/5 Elmo AMPS 111..no shoot..+3 74, +6 95, +11 98, PMPS 104..no shoot

Haha!! Yah, ole Zen Kitteh ...he's got the world by the tail on a down hill drag, as my Gma use to say ....but in all fairness, I know he's been feeling like he's been " drug thru a knot hole backwards"( yes, yet another Gma saying ) so all the fussing is totally warranted...so says his momma and godmommas

 

Love this!! Ozarks again?

 

Nah, my big city maternal Gma with a huge sense of dry humor...she was a hoot

 

Couple of comments on feeding - definitely you don't want to feed just twice a day on lantus (or no insulin). Free feeding is fine if Elmo isn't a guts who will just everything that's there because it's there with the exception of removing food at least two hours prior to shot time so that you know that your PS number isn't food influenced and you can be sure it's safe to shoot. Otherwise a minimum of four meals a day. The fact that his number came down three hours after eating shows that his pancreas is doing some work I think from your earlier posts today that you were planning to feed at least half an hour (maybe it was an hour?) before his shot. That's another thing you don't do with lantus. With lantus the test/feed/shoot are all done at the same time (unless you're stalling like this morning) you don't want to feed too far in advance of the shot.

 

Thank u for feeding insight..it is so different from vetsulin so takes concentration to do it differently...can u explain why u don't want to feed to far in advance of shot? I don't think I fully understand that . We r use to feeding for 30 minutes then shooting so what u r saying is as they r eating u give Lantus,correct??? That might give me a few extra minutes of sleep because there is no lag time between feed and shoot like vetsulin. Thank u in advance for explaining the why behind not feeding in advance. And your Vyktor looks just like our sweet Socks ( original name, huh ??) who lived to be 21... special kitty .

 

Because food can influence the BG numbers so PS test won't be accurate.

I got an auto feeder and divide Gizmo's daily food allowance into AMPS, +2.5, +4.5 and +6.5, PMPS, +2.5, +4.5 and +6.5. He gets 8.75-9 oz of food divided up into these times. A bit more @ PS meals. I load the auto feeder up before PS test and forget about it. Gizmo has pancreatitis flares do smaller meals are better for it too along with keeping his bg even (or that is what it is supposed to do).

Edit - you shouldn't feed 2 hours before shot, then at shot time (a little before) you test for your PS #, feed, then shoot.

 

if you need to shoot

 

Hello all....to shoot or not to shoot...that is the question ..... needing input

 

@Bobbie And Bubba @Wendy&Neko @Chris & China .......going to feed in 20 minutes...do I skip shoot again tonight ???

 

I can't give dosing/shooting advise so I will bump you up.

How long ago was +11?

 

Just now...my + 11 is also my PS ....was told to take the +11 and post it so dosing could be suggested...

 

Stall with no food. Grab another test and post #

We are trying to see if # is going up/coming down or holding steady.

 

Got it....that's what we did this morning

 

Your +11 should be your +11.....not your PS

You should test immediately before it's shot time

 

This is totally different than vetsulin and a habit I need to break....

 

I am confused about feeding...my schedule is 7 and 7....so I test at 7? Then feed at 7 and shoot at 7?

 

With Lantus, it's not important that they have a "good feed" before you shoot, so you Test/Feed/Shoot all within about 5-10 minutes....as long as they're at least willing to eat, it's not important that they eat a certain amount first like it is on Vetsulin

The benefit of getting a +11 (or 11.5) is that it gives you time to get some eyes on your post.....also, when it's actually PS time (at +12) you will know if Elmo's numbers are starting to rise at the end of the cycle

 

Should I take another BG now at +11.5 ??

 

Basically yes....we're on a 6/6 schedule....at 6 I test, if China's high enough to shoot, I feed and shoot.....all in about 3-5 minutes

IF you get a test at PS that you're not comfortable shooting, that's when you Stall, don't feed and post for help.....as you get more comfortable, you'll learn to shoot lower and lower Pre-shots....I'll shoot China if she's 50 or above now

 

I am stalling now...he usually eats at +11.5...

 

No...test at 7 (or just a couple of minutes before)

I'm thinking you may not be shooting again tonight though

 

So I would test at +11 and then again at + 12 ?

 

Tell me what to do , oh Lady of Versailles...take another BG to see where he is ??

 

If you're used to being up at 6am, you might want to consider changing your shot times.....it allows you to be able to get a +6 at night and only have to stay up until midnight

(That's IF Elmo continues to need insulin at all......he's looking pretty good now!!)

If you don't shoot tonight, test again at +3.....if the number is lower, it means his pancreas is kicking in to help out

 

Not all the time......we like to suggest the +11's in cases like Elmo's where he's running low enough to consider that we may want to stall or not shoot at PS time

It just gives us time to think as well as (IF you had shot this morning) see if he's coming up on his own (which would indicate the last shot was wearing off)

 

Looking like you might

Correct, looking good and maybe no shot again tonight! Post your +12 as soon as you get it.

 

So I am going to test again at 7 , post it here and decide about shoot....this is crazy that it is hard to wrap my head around after 5 months of vetsulin

 

On my thread or SS or both ????

 

Both would be good. But def here on the thread so we can see it quickly.

 

On your thread to start with.....the number you put in the PS cell on the spreadsheet is always the number you actually shoot....so if you get a +12 of 130 and "stall", and at +12.5 you get a 150 and shoot, your PMPS is 150, not 130

 

Btw, Chris, how was ur trip to Jeff City ?

 

Got it ....thanks a billion !!!

 

Making more and more sense

 

It does as you do it.

 

What trip to Jeff City?.....LOL

We had ice/snow so boob smashing will have to wait

 

Boob smashing???

 

Exactly...reading about and studying over only does so much and then the doing of it makes the sense...just so opposite of what we've been doing for 5 months, almost without thinking and routine...

 

PS stands for Preshot. So rather than think about it as a number, think about it as a preshot test. Then one hour after shot is +1, two hours is +2, etc.

Tonight @ 7pm will be your PMPS. I test/feed/shoot, in that order, within about 10-15 minutes of each other.

 

Oh yeah and yippee !!! We gave Linda, Kris and Mogs big laughs on yesterday's thread, talking about ur impending boogie

 

repeat of my mammogram and ultrasound that wasn't totally normal 6 months ago

 

Again, making more sense...

 

Hiss and boo...will be praying for good report when u go !!!!

 

OHHHHHHH. I haven't had one is so long , guess that is why I didn;t get it. I do thermography instead no smashing!

 

+12...104

 

Shoot or skip , oh Lantus Ladies ???

 

He is ready to chew my leg off...sharking the kitchen looking for FOOD

 

You could give it another 30 and stall without feeding or you could skip. Your call. He is looking so good!

 

I think there's a pretty good argument to be made over skipping again tonight......test again at +3 and see if his pancreas is able to bring him down on it's own again

 

Well, then why don't you skip and feed and get another +3 to see again what happens after eating.

 

Great minds think alike.

 

Amen and Hallelujah ...skip and test at +3.... Elmo says "thank you , thank you !!!"

 

Just think Beth, all you had to do was buy some Lantus and the boy goes OTJ!

 

Adding this too :

 

He is just looking so good Maybe your vet was right (anti-jinx) about waiting.
Can you update your speadsheet? I only see through +3 today. Thanks.

 

Woot!

 

Question to you all...it is killing me to withhold some of his food for a snack later... how do u know how much food they need...maybe I'm no feeding enuf ...

 

Elmo never was a big eater...but then again the last 3 years has been fed that garbage Science Diet yd for thyroid...his appetite improves daily and I'm wondering if I need to feed him more...last vet visit he was 9.4...in all the hub bub here at home I've not weighed him on the baby/pet scale I recently purchased....

 

I divide up the calories Bubba needs a day into 7 even sized meals through out the day. I am home so it is doable for me. If I need to go out I use my auto feeder and have it set for his snack times.

The formula I use for determining calories is 13 calories X pounds + 70. So a 10 lb cat would be 130 + 70=200 calories a day. Plus or minus a bit depending on activity level and age.

 

And these calories are posted on the can ? Dr Lisa's ?

 

Most of them are on the food chart

 

Hi Beth,
Just popping back in to say hi and to see how you went last night after I left.
Looks like Elmo is wanting to skip the shot again tonight! He is doing so well! Great to see!
Bron

 

Bron, you mean this morning ???? LOL

 

OK I'm confused!, aren't you at PMPS now?
It is 1.45 pm Friday here so I thought it was Thursday evening there!
I'm definitely confused!

 

Yes, it is nighttime Thursday night here but you wrote :

You were having nighttime yesterday when you were posting here early this morning.

 

Oh I see what I wrote....yes....just one of the problems living in a global village
I should have written 'how you went this morning after I went to sleep last night!'

 

Crazy me, Bron ...I totally knew what you were meaning ! A reflection of my day's events perhaps !! Again , I am fascinated that as you spoke with me this morning that I was getting up as you were going to sleep....also, thank u for all ur help this AM....reassured me greatly cos I was NOT expecting the day to start with 111 and a no shoot

 

Happy to help! I know how confusing it is in the beginning especially when our kitty does something unexpected!
I think Elmo is looking great! Fantastic!

 

Beth, read through Elmo's progress today...what an exciting day! He is doing so well! I bet he is feeling so wonderful being in all those healthy greens. Will be watching you guys and thinking of you!!!

 

You and Ozzy are next...taking each day one at a time ...

 

Thanks. We really hope so.

Been researching chicken pox symptoms. I have had a sore throat all day. Everyone in my family was sick last week, too. Sore throat is an early sign of CP. What are the chances it is just a cold coming on and not CP even though I was exposed. Starting to get worried here but also trying not to overact. This is messed up!

 

Elmo is looking pretty great. He just may be the easiest cat we've ever helped transition to Lantus, lol.