12/18 Osha PMPS 134 +2 135 +3 120 +4 88 +5 89 +6 120

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Osha

Osha

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12/17

Good morning.

Osha was a little tease last night. She got to 99, but that was all the green she was going to give me.

Bobbie And Bubba said:
Wow, just catching up from yesterday and what an exciting night you had Friday night. I hope the 3 drops below 50 will help her to hold the reductions better. Good timing for the bean, Empress!
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Based on her numbers, I am really happy I didn't give a reduction. I hope she can get back into the greens on this dose.

I am adding Renew Life Ultimate Flora to Osha's food starting tonight. Paws crossed that this will let her tolerate eating the raw again. I just want the best for my girl, but she is certainly giving me challenges and mysteries at every turn. Any thoughts on how long it may take to help her tolerate the raw? I did try giving half a nugget of Stella and Chewys raw chicken for her snack and it just came right back up. It was such a small amount that I was hoping she could have kept it down.

Have a good Sunday!

Amanda and Kitty Osha, The Empress
 
She's looking better Amanda and hope the probiotic helps. It's harder because she was a flat solid green cat for some time....trust me I can relate. She may or may not get back to that point. Regardless, you're doing an amazing job and she is just way too super cute!
 
Nice slide for Osha today. I hope the probiotic will help and she will eat the food with it in it. I had to split a capsule into smaller capsules and give it to Furball that way. She wouldn't touch the food with it in it.
 
I tell ya these two cats talk Fritz was at 99 for his PMPS! Now if only they could stay on the surf boards together at the same time. Silly kitties!
Keep the three lower #'s(50) before you reduce it will work:D. It has for Fritz with the exception of the oral steroid that keeps getting in the way:mad::banghead:.
Have you tried the SEB powder? I buy mine from Mountain Rose Herbs online. Fritz loves it. I also give him the Renew life. I have switched him to Dr. Good Pet Feline Digestive Enzymes along with Lily of the Valley Aloe Vera juice has to be the (inner leaf). It has helped a ton as Fritz also eats only raw. You probably already know to start with a small amount of the probiotic I open the capsule and sprinkle right on the food then lightly cover it to mask any smell and I also don't want him to sniff the powder up his little nose.
Enjoy all your days off!!!!!
 
Amanda the website Food fur life.com has excellent info. If you get time check out the How to drop down box to Manage Nausea Healthy Supplements & Meds.
Excellent website. I did try the supplement in Fritz food but I did it all wrong. I put in Fritz food Alnutrin for now but will try again to introduce hi the Ez complete.
 
DebG said:
I tell ya these two cats talk Fritz was at 99 for his PMPS! Now if only they could stay on the surf boards together at the same time. Silly kitties!
Keep the three lower #'s(50) before you reduce it will work:D. It has for Fritz with the exception of the oral steroid that keeps getting in the way:mad::banghead:.
Have you tried the SEB powder? I buy mine from Mountain Rose Herbs online. Fritz loves it. I also give him the Renew life. I have switched him to Dr. Good Pet Feline Digestive Enzymes along with Lily of the Valley Aloe Vera juice has to be the (inner leaf). It has helped a ton as Fritz also eats only raw. You probably already know to start with a small amount of the probiotic I open the capsule and sprinkle right on the food then lightly cover it to mask any smell and I also don't want him to sniff the powder up his little nose.
Enjoy all your days off!!!!!
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I think Fritz and Osha are going to lose their cell phone privileges if they don't stop messing with their beans!

I haven't tried the SEB powder. This is my first time adding anything to her food and all the options have been overwhelming. Yet another learning curve going on here. How much SEB powder do you add?
 
Hi I'm no expert but would say try switching which protein of raw you are giving her. Some cats do better on rabbit, some puke it right back up, some same thing with chicken, some with turkey , each system is different. GA Buster tossed any rabbit he could sneak into his system IMMEDIATELY. Only upside was he learned the tidy trick of Ralphing into a bowl which made clean up So much easier!:rolleyes:
It may be that the particular prep of those nuggets didn't do it for her tummy. The Darwins was not as processed, more straight ground meat. I might stick with something more similar to that if it were me. Turkey seems pretty benign across the cats I've used raw with.chicken can be too greasy or fatty depending on which brand..rabbit rich, duck rich as well. Mine have never touched any red meats nor wild meats.
I added the EZ complete to some water and added a little bit into the food this morning and Gus ate a full plate. I noticed that the main ingredient is chicken liver so you might try that to see if she will eat a raw meat with that mixed in..perhaps it's similar to the liver shake in its appeal?
You are probably going to have to try a lot of different brands before you find the Goldilocks fit for her tastebuds and tummy...I'd try to avoid a lot of veggies in whichever you choose..
It was much easier when there were fewer choices I will admit!
Wishing you success! :bighug::bighug:
 
Gussie's mom said:
Hi I'm no expert but would say try switching which protein of raw you are giving her. Some cats do better on rabbit, some puke it right back up, some same thing with chicken, some with turkey , each system is different. GA Buster tossed any rabbit he could sneak into his system IMMEDIATELY. Only upside was he learned the tidy trick of Ralphing into a bowl which made clean up So much easier!:rolleyes:
It may be that the particular prep of those nuggets didn't do it for her tummy. The Darwins was not as processed, more straight ground meat. I might stick with something more similar to that if it were me. Turkey seems pretty benign across the cats I've used raw with.chicken can be too greasy or fatty depending on which brand..rabbit rich, duck rich as well. Mine have never touched any red meats nor wild meats.
I added the EZ complete to some water and added a little bit into the food this morning and Gus ate a full plate. I noticed that the main ingredient is chicken liver so you might try that to see if she will eat a raw meat with that mixed in..perhaps it's similar to the liver shake in its appeal?
You are probably going to have to try a lot of different brands before you find the Goldilocks fit for her tastebuds and tummy...I'd try to avoid a lot of veggies in whichever you choose..
It was much easier when there were fewer choices I will admit!
Wishing you success! :bighug::bighug:
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Thanks Leslie. I am so confused and frustrated by all of this. She had the darwins, duck, turkey and chicken and vomited all of those and now the stella and chewys chicken.
 
Osha said:
Thanks Leslie. I am so confused and frustrated by all of this. She had the darwins, duck, turkey and chicken and vomited all of those and now the stella and chewys chicken.
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Are they cold when she eats them?
And what canned is she currently eating?
 
Gussie's mom said:
Are they cold when she eats them?
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They were all cold except for the stella and chewys chicken which I warmed. I didn't know until someone mentioned to me recently to try warming it. :( I have a bunch of the darwins left, so I could try warming that as well.

Eta: she is eating ff beef
 
Osha said:
They were all cold except for the stella and chewys chicken which I warmed. I didn't know until someone mentioned to me recently to try warming it. :( I have a bunch of the darwins left, so I could try warming that as well.

Eta: she is eating ff beef
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Sometimes cold food will cause the stomach to lurch and say whoa no way and toss it back up. Makes sense actually..I would try mixing just a small amount of raw into that beef each time, gradually increasing how much raw there is. Gussie was eating the FF Beef too. I'd try it with the Darwins turkey as its the most benign of those three. Just pull off a little bit, maybe a pinch pull of it and start with that in the beef FF. See how her system tolerates that..then if it stays down add just a little bit more the next meal. building up to where there's just a pinch of FF in the raw.
ETA if it's getting mixed into the FF it probably doesn't need the extra step of warming, the FF will bring it to temp
 
DebG said:
Have you tried the SEB powder? I buy mine from Mountain Rose Herbs online. Fritz loves it. I also give him the Renew life. I have switched him to Dr. Good Pet Feline Digestive Enzymes along with Lily of the Valley Aloe Vera juice has to be the (inner leaf). It has helped a ton as Fritz also eats only raw. You probably already know to start with a small amount of the probiotic I open the capsule and sprinkle right on the food then lightly cover it to mask any smell and I also don't want him to sniff the powder up his little nose.
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Deb, I ordered some SEB from Mountain Rose Herbs today. Do you just sprinkle that on the food like you do the renew life?
 
Osha said:
Do you just sprinkle that on the food like you do the renew life?
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Not Deb, but I use a scant 1/8 teaspoon and mix with a tablespoon (or so) and devolve it and mix it into Gizmo's food. Somewhere in read it can be bitter and if they won't eat it on/in their food to mask with baby food.
 
Good evening Amanda,

Just a quick word to say that I find the last pass to be very very very nice !
I'd be more then happy with that. Some will accept nothing but green and will
squeeze the dose until it's all over the place but we have a particular breed
of cat. Green are very nice but what comes next is less enjoyable.
With food business not as good we'll all pray for things to be back the
way it was.

Osha, get back down if you want you cell phone back. Once you get
it no communication with Small Kitty, he's a bad example !
;)
 
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Good luck with all the new supplements! I have never used them for vomiting, but Flora has been on probiotics and SEB for diarrhea. I was able to just mix them in with her food... so knowing how much Osha likes to eat, she might not object to that either. For diarrhea, the SEB helped after just 3 days.
 
Mandarin'sMom said:
Good luck with all the new supplements! I have never used them for vomiting, but Flora has been on probiotics and SEB for diarrhea. I was able to just mix them in with her food... so knowing how much Osha likes to eat, she might not object to that either. For diarrhea, the SEB helped after just 3 days.
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Thanks. I will just have to try and see what she thinks. She didn't object to the probiotics tonight and even had a pinch of raw in her +3 snack without any vomiting. (anti-jinx) The SEB won't be here for a few days.
 
Photorecon said:
Osha, get back down if you want you cell phone back. Once you get
it no communication with Small Kitty, he's a bad example !
;)
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Our kitties are both bad examples of how to do this dance. I am hopeful they will both start to behave and can earn cell phone privileges back and maybe even have a facetime conversation. :cat:
 
Osha said:
Do you just sprinkle that on the food like you do the renew life?
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I statred out once a day taking 1/8 tsp mixed with warm water then I just mix it in his raw food. Most of the times I sprinkle freeze dried crunched up chicken or Bonita Flakes. Then I worked up to 1/4 tsp cause Fritz is 28lbs. but for Osha you might want to stay with 1/8 tsp and work up to twice a day. Make sure you give it at least 2 hours before or after food. You don't want it to interfere with any other meds you might give Osha. If you get any spare time (HaHa) visit foodfurlife excellent info.
LizzieInTexas said:
Somewhere in read it can be bitter and if they won't eat it on/in their food to mask with baby food.
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Please don't ever feed bitter SEB it's bad if it turns bitter.

I saw the post that Lizzie said about bitter. It should never be bitter if it is toss it out. That is the main reason I buy from Mountain Rose, they have the best and it's sweet.
 
DebG said:
I statred out once a day taking 1/8 tsp mixed with warm water then I just mix it in his raw food. Most of the times I sprinkle freeze dried crunched up chicken or Bonita Flakes. Then I worked up to 1/4 tsp cause Fritz is 28lbs. but for Osha you might want to stay with 1/8 tsp and work up to twice a day. Make sure you give it at least 2 hours before or after food. You don't want it to interfere with any other meds you might give Osha. If you get any spare time (HaHa) visit foodfurlife excellent info.


Please don't ever feed bitter SEB it's bad if it turns bitter.

I saw the post that Lizzie said about bitter. It should never be bitter if it is toss it out. That is the main reason I buy from Mountain Rose, they have the best and it's sweet.
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Thanks Deb. Yep, a big lol on the spare time! :rolleyes:

I am a little unclear. I mixed the probiotics in her ps food tonight. With the SEB, I should give it a few hours before or after food time with a little food? I don't give osha any meds besides lantus. I ordered the seb from Mountain Rose.

I gave her the probiotics in her ps food and gave her a pinch of raw in her +3 and +5 and she held it down....anti jinx!

Osha just gave me permission to go to bed with her +6 tonight. So I will see you all in the morning. Have good kitty dreams!
 
nice numbers Osha... that is more like it... and i see you tossed your trampoline for the day... good job... Looking great Amanda.. i hope she lets you start feeding her more raw soon without the tossing of the cookies... :bighug::bighug:
 
Osha said:
With the SEB, I should give it a few hours before or after food time with a little food? I don't give osha any meds besides lantus. I ordered the seb from Mountain Rose.
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See here for info on SEB. I have no idea where I read about the bitterness.
http://felinecrf.org/holistic_treatments.htm (scroll down)
DebG said:
Make sure you give it at least 2 hours before or after food
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I think @DebG meant meds?

Slippery Elm Bark Cautions

Do not give slippery elm bark at the same time as any other medications or supplements - as University of Maryland Medical Center explains, it can inhibit the absorption of the medications. It is therefore best to give it 1-2 hours before or after any other medications (especially antibiotics), and ideally on an empty stomach, although it is safe to sprinkle it on food if you wish.

Slippery elm bark also contains calcium, so it is probably safer not to use it if your cat has hypercalcaemia.
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Osha said:
So, would lantus count as a med? Or could I give it with her ps meal with the probiotic?
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Hmm. Good question. I never assumed so. I always read that as other meds that were ingested. It has never had adverse affect with Gizmo and his numbers. I always have given with the PS meals.
 
Osha said:
So, would lantus count as a med? Or could I give it with her ps meal with the probiotic?
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Ok to make sure the SEB doesn't interfere with anything I give Fritz. Here is how his day goes
AMPS TFS I sprinkle his Enzymes on his food. If he gets oral steroids he gets it then or on the next feeding.
At least 2 hours later usually 3 to 4 hours Fritz gets food with the SEB mixed with warm water mixed in his food you can also give enzyme and aloe vera at the same time.(I try to give it all separate in case he has a reaction to anything it would make it easier to know which one.
Meal snack at least 2 hours before PMPS he gets .50 food with if he needs miralax or extra sprinkle Taurine.
PMPS TFS Enzymes on his food.
Last meal before bed food mixed with the SEB. usually between 9:00pm -10:00 pm
You can modify to fit whatever meds you give to Osha. I see you don't give other meds so that will be easy for you. Always remember the 2 hours before or after other meds:)
You can mix the SEB, Aloe Vera and Enzymes together and give at the same time.
I'll find where I read not to give bitter SEB if it's bitter it's bad.
Hope this helps.
 
MPORTANT! Slippery Elm should have a very mild, slightly sweet taste. Several people have reported that the Slippery Elm bark they were using tasted bitter, or turned bitter with time. The cause is unknown, but it can’t be a good sign! Therefore I must recommend that you personally taste the slurry or syrup each and every timebefore you give it to your pet, and if it tastes bad–don’t use it
 
Aloe Vera Juice (Distilled or from inner leaf only, do not use juice that may contain latex from the leaf)

Aloe vera is well known for nutrient compounds that help heal and soothe the skin when used externally; it has similar benefits on the lining of the digestive tract when taken internally. Aloe decreases irritation and enhances healing and repair of ulcers in the stomach and intestines; it helps reduce intestinal inflammation. It can neutralize excess stomach acid without the pH rise associated with antacids over time, and it acts as a prebiotic, helping to promote the growth of healthy bacteria that aid digestion.

Up to twice a day, distilled aloe vera juice can be used in place of water to make the slippery elm bark gel or “gruel.”

If not using SEB powder, one-half teaspoon of aloe vera juice can be given to kitty to drink or administered plain, via syringe, prior to a meal twice a day. It can also be mixed into food: this promotes healing longer term, but it doesn’t provide nausea relief if kitty isn’t eating.

Longer term, combining SEB powder, aloe vera juice, and an L acidophilus-based probiotic is an anti-inflammatory therapy that aids gastrointestinal health. To use this, mix one part SEB powder to 2 parts aloe juice (1/4 teaspoon SEB powder and 1/2 teaspoon aloe vera juice). Let it gel. Add and mix in the probiotic of choice. This can be given twice a day, and this can be added to food (if kitty is eating).

In the U.S. we suggest George’s or Lily of the Desert organic preservative-free unflavored juice. The organic is a bit bitter and kitty may not like it; the George’s has no taste but is not organic.
- See more at: http://www.foodfurlife.com/manage-nausea---healthy-supplements--meds.html#sthash.IYkkV4Zj.dpuf
I like the Lily of the Desert one !
Have a nice day Amanda!
 
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