16/12 George george 38@+2.25; 56@2.5; 78@3.5; 78@3.75

Yesterdays Post

Morning all,

amps 346 he is hungry and grumpy this morning, no drooling.

Brought shot forward 15min, want to get back to pre stall schedule, had thought I could try for 30min this morning but it took me about that long to get his test done, he was hungry and agitated, so lots of tail swishing ear flicking shenanigans going on.

Seems like it'll be a quiet day on the George front today, after yesterdays beautiful run of green and blue he has bounced halfway to the moon this morning had hoped he'd not bounce quite so high, but hey ho, seems like his panicky liver had other ideas.

Time for me to put my patience pants on and get on with some Christmas shopping (bounces have their uses), and a bit of a rest for his ears.

Wishing everyone pretty numbers and safe surfing

Gill

 

Yup, bounces are opportunities for a pokie break and getting other things done. Happy shopping.

 

LOL love that

It's not a bounce:

'Its a pokie break opportunity'

 

I'll have to remember that one

 

Sheba still bounces a lot and that is when I do my shopping and socialising....and if it is at night..get a good night's sleep. They are also a good way to save on a few test strips.

 

Oops I answered in yesterday's condo but what I said was - plaque off is fine for diabetic kitties, just no good for hyperthyroid kitties - it's full of iodine. I use it for Vyktor.

 

Good way to look at it!

 

Taking advantage of the bounce to get things done is always a good idea. I hope the bounce is a short one.

 

I'll get back to using it then, couldn't make upy mind if it was helping, but at least I felt I was doing something for his teeth he still has all of them, not bad for an old boy

 

Home for late lunch, George is down to 218, must admit lower than I thought, he seems in a better mood, no tail swishing, ear flicking when testing.

He's gobbled that up and now he is sleeping it off in his favorite place in the sun.
If his bounce breaks, I'm guessing he'll keep me busy tonight.....
Let see what the scoundrel has in store for me...

 

'Pokie Break' may be over for George, as I suspected with the 218 @+6 seems his bounce is breaking

+9 156

So if he follows the rule book I could see some action early on the pm cycle.

Question though, as I stalled an hour I want to get back to the regular shooting times so this morning I brought forward by 15 minutes hoping to do that again this evening, assuming I get a number that I am happy shooting can I bring forward by 15 minutes, or would that be foolish?

Thanks

Gill

 

It's safe to move the shot in 2 fifteen minutes increments per day or in one 30 minute increment per day.

 

thanks Carla
Even if the bounce is breaking? that was my only concern.
(I tried to bring it forwrd 30minutes this morning but he was in a bit of a mood and wouldn't let me test him the b***er

Let's see what his preshot is anyways, he may have other ideas.........

 

As long as he's not really low, I don't think 15 minutes will make a difference.

 

If he's really low I might end up stalling anyways

 

15 minutes a shot is usually OK, maybe worry if he's low green.

 

+11 @ 129
He is still dropping, but don't think we will have a low green, but who knows

 

Good luck with whatever decision you make, Gill.
I think you will see green either way

 

Was just reading Libby and Lucy's TR protocol myths debunked thread where she describes shooting a dropping number as a gift, perhaps George has decided to give me an early Christmas present

 

I like the falling numbers now, too but boy were they scary at first!

 

PMPS +123

I am shooting full dose, ready for a busy night. Wasn't expecting this so soon, hope I don't get more than I bargained for, what with his bounce just clearing and all.


hoping we get a blue/green surf going tonight

 

Ok George, you heard the instructions. Go to the lagoon, have a nice surf, and come back to the beach. There's no reason to go back wandering in the forest.

 

I'll get a +1, in the mean time I'll get on with dinner.

 

Good luck Gill, glad the bounce broke and glad he gave you that nice gift of a dropping number.

 

Gill - on your SS you can add "@+13" to your units column yesterday morning, to reflect the 1 hr stall.

ETA: personally I stack stall readings in the +11 column, and then there's just the preshot # @+13 or whatever. Either way is fine and shows what you did.

 

+1 116
Hmm next test at +2??

ETA: yesterday he went up, seemed to get a food spike at +1, but still dropping, so maybe 30min (just thinking about his ears, not that he is complaining, he's pretty chilled at the moment on his blanket)

I've added the @+13 to show shot stall in the units column, I guess although I had stacked the shots in the +11 column it wasnt clear when the amps had been, which when I look back at it in a couple of weeks would have got me thinking, when did I shoot?? Thanks

 

Yup

 

Easy does it George!

ounce breaking cycles can be more "exciting". If you see green at that +2, I'd give him a couple tsp snack of his regular food. That should compensate for the extra poke.

Gill - could you update your subject line with the latest numbers. That helps us scanning for peeps whose kitties might need some eyes.

 

As for the spreadsheet, I just note in the remarks if I move times up or down by less than 1/2 hour. And I have an example today of how you can note in the SS what the actual preshot time was and how long you stalled. I put the earlier tests in the +11 columns, and did a 2.8@+12.3 so I knew I stalled 20 minutes.

 

Ssssshhhhh don't say that too loud, it he realizes there is extra nosh in it for him, he'll go deep sea diving

I've update the subject line, funny thought I had done that, perhaps didn't click save changes

 

OK I get it, is this the 'standard way' I can annotate it either way, just want to make it so that anyone seeing the ss can understand don't want to add to the confusion I'll go with the flow

 

51 @ +2

Going to feed some of his regular LC

 

OK sorry about the 911 isn't in hypo territory yet but at 51 @ +2 he is worrying me

I have no problems with him eating
Have just given a couple of teaspoons of LC (2% dry matter), will test in 15 minutes

I have some medium carb, should I give him a little of that now? or wait 15 min

George is looking fine, playful, and hungry
He's been following me round the last half hour

 

George is on the move! I would retest in 20 minutes...(you posted as I was typing). Some MC might not be a bad idea - he's moving pretty quickly so far and he's right on the edge there.

Unfortunately I'm at work and about to hit the road for home and my own kitty routine, but I'll keep an eye out for a little while longer.

 

thanks
2 teaspoons mc given (14%dry matter carb)

 

Just dropping in Gill to see how George is going today (tonight your time) - I see he is having an active cycle for you tonight

I'm sure there will be someone more experienced along soon, but you can tag people if you need their help right away using the @ symbol - Oh, I see Amy has replied, that's great

Hang in there, you are doing a great job.

 

If he drops below 50, it's time to break out the high carb goodies, OK?

 

got it

 

OK scary bananas time here

he is 38
have rubbed honey on gums and given 2 teaspoons HC

 

pmps 129
116@+1
51@+2 2 tsp LC and 2 tsp MC
38 @+2.25 2tspHC and honey on gums

I have never been happier that he likes his food

 

Ok - you can also put a small squirt of honey or karo on his food, too. test again in 15 minutes....unfortunately I will be on the road at that point but I have flagged a few people to check in - hopefully some of them can do so. honestly, though, if he drops any lower after syrup and high carb food, you may want to strongly consider getting to a vet for a glucose drip....

How is he behaving?

 

OK Vet is 30 minutes away

jsut about to test now

 

56@2.5 thank f***

will give a little more MC

and check in 15min

 

I'm here. Waiting for the next test.

 

We posted at the same time. I'm glad he's come up some.

 

what do you think some MC?

 

Just an FYI, if you get to the point where you have to take him to the vet, you can rub karo or honey on his gums before you leave. Hopefully it won't come to that.

 

MC should be fine. We'll see if he needs HC after the next test.

 

he's eating his MC
Thank god he is such a guzzler

 

PHEW!!! Thank you, Carla....I'm heading out the door now! I'll check back once I get my kitties rolling. Remember that the numbers can bobble around a bit as the high carb and honey wear off, so keep testing until you get two numbers in a row that are not food-influenced!

 

I just got home from work, so I can be around for a while.

 

40 @ 2.75
going to give 2tsp HC with honey on top

he is eating it now

 

Good plan. Test again in 15 min.

 

pmps 129
116@+1
51@+2 2 tsp LC and 2 tsp MC
38 @+2.25 2tspHC and honey on gums
56@2.5 2 tsp MC given
40@2.75 honey and 2tsp HC

 

I'm on my way out too, but George has earned his reduction so he has nothing left to prove in this cycle. I would give him a tsp. or two of HC to bump him up a bit.

 

10 min to go he has camped out by his bowl in the kitchen now.
think he wants more

 

I've just given him 2.5 teaspoon HC/with drop of honey, he is guzzling it with glee

testing in 5 minutes

he sure has earned his reduci, my boy never does things by halves

 

pmps 129
116@+1
51@+2 2 tsp LC and 2 tsp MC
38 @+2.25 2tspHC and honey on gums
56@2.5 2 tsp MC given
40@2.75 honey and 2tsp HC - 2.5tsp of HC with honey
51@3 @2.9 2tsp HC
should I rub some honey on his gums, to give him an instant boost whilst the rest of the food takes effect?

 

That's a good idea. I'd give another teaspoon of HC too. Test again in 15 min.

 

I already have given some more HC and honey, going to edit my previous post didn't write it on

 

Okay.

 

he's had a poop in his litter tray, part solid part liquid

Is this of any significance?

 

I know some cats have higher numbers if they're constipated, so it's possible if he has some kind of tummy upset it could affect his BG. But I would think it would make it go up, not down.

 

Way to earn a reducie Goerge!

I don't think the poop is particularly significant.

Can you take your 911 down now Gill you have our attention and you've got this - it does tend to be a bit of a heart starter! I'm just getting the rabbit out so I'll be back in a few minutes to join team George.

 

Well, I was out and just came back to see this! You must have caught it from Rosie today and transmitted it to George. Congratulations on earning the reduction!

 

pmps 129
116@+1
51@+2 2 tsp LC and 2 tsp MC
38 @+2.25 2tspHC and honey on gums
56@2.5 2 tsp MC given
40@2.75 honey and 2tsp HC - 2.5tsp of HC with honey
51@3 @2.9 2tsp HC
67@3.25

More food?? (he's had apart from his regular LC meal 1 3oz can of HC during the event)
More honey??
Wait and see??
testing in 15 min

 

It's good to see a higher number. I think you can wait 30 minutes to test and not feed anything right now.

 

Great job! I agree with Carla- hold off on food for the moment since he's above 60 now. We want to be sure he stays hungry in case you need him to eat later, plus we don't want him to barf from having too much "sugar"!

 

was just editing previous when you posted, I may do a 15min check, I'm to nervous not to

 

I see that George wanted to out do Callie's drama from this morning I am glad that he is coming up!

 

He usually has a very good appetite, barfing from sugar overload doesn't sound good.
he's sat in the same room as me now, not by his bowl as he has been for the last hour. Guess he is not as hungry.
Need coffee

 

I think they may have been giving each other scuba diving tips!! Hope they stick to surfing from now on!!

 

OMG I can't believe I missed this!

Gill you are handling this wonderfully!

 

If you want to test in 15 min. that is fine, but you can wait a little longer. I have to feed my cats. I'll check back. You're doing great.

 

You can't see me shaking

 

I know, the nerves get the best of us! But you know what to do, all your time spent here has paid off tremendously tonight.

 

So sorry I called George Fred I had just been chatting to my Fred

There's nothing quite like the adrenalin rush from your first reduction - except for your first foray into the 30s - to get them both together is quite something

I would put the honey away now that he's up a bit and stick with the HC wet if more is needed. Too much syrup can make some kitties barf so I usually save it for the 30s

ETA: can you update your spreadsheet when you have a sec

 

Vyktor only has three left but no plaque on them and a definite improvement to his breath with it - not that you care about this right now lol

 

One tip...a +2 that is that far down from a +1 or PS should (probably always) get HC food, possibly with a drop of honey if you don't know how they will react to carbs yet.
I think it is easier to keep them up then it is to bring them back up. With that number George had almost already earned his reduction, if you'd have tested again in 5 minutes it probably would have been under 50.
Just my 2 cents

 

pmps 129
116@+1
51@+2 2 tsp LC and 2 tsp MC
38 @+2.25 2tspHC and honey on gums
56@2.5 2 tsp MC given
40@2.75 honey and 2tsp HC - 2.5tsp of HC with honey
51@3 @2.9 2tsp HC
67@3.25
73@3.5

Think I can breath again, my that was nerve racking, I know it may not be over yet, he hits his nadir at +5/+6, but with all those extra fuds onboard I'm hoping he stays in safer waters
He seems sleepy now, is that normal after taking a dive like that?
In his lowest point he was quite animated, definitely letting me know he wanted more food (it was standing by the bowl howling that gave it away)

Not to worry I call George Rosco all the time (Rosco is my dog) and Rosco George

As for the trip into the 30's he obviously thought I was getting to comfortable with this sugar dance malarkey and thought he'd show me a few new steps

 

@Vyktors Mum Hi Serryn. Are you good to sit with Gill? I know you're on holiday, hope you're enjoying it.

 

Noted, when I saw the 38 I thought that myself (well in between turning the air blue)

 

Once the carbs wear off, he could come back down some. Hopefully it will be past nadir and that won't happen. I just wanted to prepare you in case it does. I think you can wait 30 min. to test again.

 

You did good! Honey on gums was a great move there.

 

@GTS That should be in about 5 minutes if I'm reading things right.

 

Often when kitties are going to go low they do it earlier in the cycle so I wouldn't necessarily expect him to have his usual nadir tonight.

I am here for the duration...

 

Yes that would be a 3.75 test
78@3.75
George seems chilled now he is doing his I'm happy lying on my back pose, when I went to test he did his happy feet (toe stretches)

 

I will test again 30 min from now.
If that seems sensible??

 

He seems to be surfing now. I think you can wait and get another test in an hour if you want.

 

Carla you have nerves of steel, not sure I'll be able to restrain myself, I have no nails left and may require a visit to the salon to touch up the grey hairs I've sprouted!!

 

Tee hee hee why don't you split the difference and go 45 mins

 

Over 80 the low numbers sticky says you can go to an hour. I like splitting the difference. You want to note when you last fed HC as the numbers can drop a couple hours after that.

And congrats on the reduction!

 

Ok the 45minutes has it

George has come up on the sofa on my lap for purry cuddles, that's a good sign, he is a cuddle monster, food is his favorite thing but cuddles are his second favorite
Carla may be right I think he has a surfy purr going on

 

last fed HC @2.9 so at about +5 we could expect a drop, tha'ts also when we have seen nadirs with George in the past (hope we don't get a clash of the titans!!)

 

You'll be fine, if he does you have the tools there and now you have your own proof that they work

 

I'd prefer to use them another day, quite enough excitement for tonight

More the worry is that the vet is 30 min away, i have her mobile, and if she picks up i know she would see george, but it struck me that if she didn't, i'd be up s*** creek without a paddle,
no such thing as ER vet here, well there is a 'hospital' 1hr away but not sure if they do out of hours, will need to research that, just in case.

 

pmps 129
116@+1
51@+2 2 tsp LC and 2 tsp MC
38 @+2.25 2tspHC and honey on gums
56@2.5 2 tsp MC given
40@2.75 honey and 2tsp HC - 2.5tsp of HC with honey
51@3 @2.9 2tsp HC
67@3.25
73@3.5
78@3.75
76@4.5
Good call Carla he does indeed seem to be surfing for now.
So should I grab another test in an hour, (+5.5)? however if the HC effects may wear out at +5 would I be better getting a 30 minute test in?? Or split the difference again and 45min?
I feel more comfortable with a 30 minute or 45 minute, I am nervous about the HC wearing off and the nadir coinciding and causing more mayhem. Feel like I want to be ahead of the game.
Views please

 

I'd go 45 mins again - I don't think your nerves will take waiting any longer than that

 

I think 45 min sounds good, if that's what you'd like to do.

Look at George on his surfboard! Woo-hoo!

 

It's always a good idea to have your emergency plan down pat but fortunately we very very rarely need to put that plan into operation with a TR kitty. If it ever does happen one thing to remember is to take the syrup with you so you can keep administering it on your way - especially important when the vet is a fair distance away.