8/6 amps #90 stalling, +1 #89, +3 #110, 1 unit @ 1:30pm, HELP

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  1. Cinnamon Lover

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  2. tiffmaxee

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    Don't feed and test again in 20 minutes. Put stalling in your subject line.
     
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    @tiffmaxee Thank you xo
     
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    Are you testing? What did you get?
     
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    I'm getting worried. If you don't feel comfortable shooting tgen go ahead and feed. What are you thinking?
     
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    I'm sorry, I've been on the phone with vet, I'm taking her back in at 11am
    Yes I tested again and she was 89
    Have not given insulin
     
  7. tiffmaxee

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    I hope the vet visit goes well :bighug: her numbers are not dangerous. Did the vet tell you to feed her?
     
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    Can I ask why she is going to the vet?
     
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    The numbers of 90 & 89 are not unsafe numbers.
    On the human meter under 50 and 68 on the pet meter
     
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    Can I ask why she is going to the vet? Her numbers are not in the unsafe. 90 & 89
     
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    Are you following the SLGS or TR?
     
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    She is following SLGS and not able to test a lot I think.
     
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    Elise thank you,:) I just hated to see her rushing off to the vet if it was the insulin numbers.
     
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  14. Chris & China (GA)

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    Is she still not eating, Debra?

    You might want to talk to your vet about having something for nausea at home (if needed) like ondansetron or cerenia, as well as possibly an appetite stimulant like cyproheptadine or mirtazapine. I prefer the cypro because some cats have problems with crazy behavior with mirtazapine, but both can be very effective

    If she's showing signs of nausea, you wouldn't want to give an appetite stimulant though....You need to treat the nausea first.

    Your vet can also check for ketones with a blood or urine test while you're there, but you should get some ketone test strips for home soon too just in case

    While you're out, grab some Gerber stage 2 meat foods or Beech Nut (most cats seem to prefer the Gerbers)....they're just good to have around
     
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  15. tiffmaxee

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    Her cat barely ate yesterday. I have a feeling she might have pancreatitis. With these numbers she should be hungry.
     
  16. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I am glad that you asked Deb ,I was wondering too.
     
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  17. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Deb, I think that was supposed to be on Spot's thread.
     
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    Different Doctor...Different Diagnosis...Different Instructions...
    I'm confused :/ when we got there, Cinnamon's Dr. had left, and she was seen by a different Dr., he spent a lot of time with her and asked ton of questions, which I liked, he also studied her records for a long time (ultrasound, blood, urine, procedures, meds)...
    I wanted a ketone test, but he said not necessary, that her biggest problem is her liver...he studied her ultrasound and doesn't think lymphoma, but hepatitis...he said to Stop giving her the antibiotic Metronidazole she's been on for a month, he said her Dr. should not have had her on it for that long...he said Stop cooking her meats, it is too much protein which can cause ketones, he wants me to give her just the low carb canned foods...
    She was tested with both meters at the vet, at 11:45, and she was #110 (#191 on cat meter) he said give her only 1 unit when we get home, which I did @ 1:30pm...he said continue with 2 units @ 8pm if she is running her usual numbers...
    I took her to the Dr. because I panicked that she wasn't eating normal, and her temp was 103.1°, but a normal 102° when we got there, and now she is eating, maybe she was too hot? Or just not feeling well?
    He said I'm doing very well with her.
     
  19. Shelly & Jersey

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    I only have a quick minute before I have to run out the door, but I wanted to ask that you please don't give insulin at 8 tonight without some additional input from the members here. Lantus shots should be given 12 hours apart. There are only rare instances and circumstances where it is given less than 12 hours apart. Since I can't stay, I'm tagging some others who I'm hoping will be on the board to offer advice.

    @Doodles & Karen
    @Bobbie And Bubba
    @tiffmaxee
    @Chris & China
    @Sienne and Gabby (GA)
     
  20. Cinnamon Lover

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    Ok...I won't...but I don't know how to fix this then :(
     
  21. Doodles & Karen

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    Please hang tight, I'll be back. My Doodles is on his way down so I need to watch him. Hopefully others will chime in soon too.
     
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    I am glad that she started eating for you that is great! About shooting tonight, I would not shoot closer than 12 hours apart with the Lantus but that will make you shooting at 1: 30 Am which is crazy. Maybe a better choice would be to skip tonight and shoot tomorrow at your normal time to regain your schedule.

    I don't know about the Metro and being on too long maybe others can weigh in on that. And I have never heard that too much protein can cause ketones. And I so wish he would have done a quick blood test to see what her ketones were. :banghead:
    The basic recipe for developing DKA = an insufficient supply of insulin + inappetance + infection OR other systemic stresses. So again, I am very glad she started eating for you.

    I am sure others will weigh in soon.
     
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  23. tiffmaxee

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    Please don't give any insulin sooner than 12 hours. You can adjust by 15 minutes each cycle if you wish to change shooting time. As Bobbie said it would be OK to skip and give at whatever time you like in the morning.

    Metronizadole can in rare instances cause neurological problems so I agree with this. What was the reason for it anyhow? When I was given it for my cat's diarrhea I was told to stop when normal.
     
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  24. Doodles & Karen

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    I am agreeing to skip insulin tonight and get back on schedule tomorrow morning. If I'm guessing the Metro was for the possible Lymphoma in your subject line. They wanted to put Doodles on it for his IBD but needed to monitor toxicity levels. I declined. I'm glad she eating and you're in good hands with Elise and Bobbie. :bighug::bighug:
     
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    Her regular Dr. put her on it a month ago and said she needed it for her liver...and last week's visit I asked her if it was time to stop, she said no, she also said to refill when it's gone and keep giving it...
    He told me today same thing you just said, it causes neurological problems if taken too long.
     
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    Yes it was because her regular Dr. said she may have lymphoma because of spots on her liver...but the Dr. today studied her ultrasound photos and said he believes it's hepatitis.
    And I won't give any insulin tonight.
    Guess I really messed her up by panicking today :'(
     
  27. Bobbie And Bubba

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    I think it was good that you got another pair of eyes on her or you wouldn't have found out about neurological problems with the metro. Also, she wasn't eating and that can get serious. It never fails that once you take them in they become better.:banghead:

    Did the new vet say what if anything can be done for the hepatitis?
     
  28. Doodles & Karen

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    You did not mess anything up...she's safe and that's what matters :bighug::bighug:
     
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  29. Chris & China (GA)

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    Protein doesn't cause ketones like that, but I agree you should just stick with LC canned for meals....plain protein doesn't have all the necessary supplements our kitties need. It's fine for a treat, but not for meals.

    Glad to hear others convinced you to skip tonight....that's quite a bit off schedule!! I'd go ahead and test her a few times today if you can
     
  30. tiffmaxee

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    Metronadozole won't do anything for lymphoma. I'd stop it.
     
  31. tiffmaxee

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    Are you sure he said hepatitis and not hepatic lipidosis which is fatty liver disease. One way to handle and avoid fatty liver is to make sure close to the normal amount of food is eaten.
     
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    no he said her ultrasound pics look like hepatitis...I asked how she got that and he said there is no way to know that
     
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    I'm trying to get on the laptop to see if I can edit her ss
     
  34. Cinnamon Lover

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    HELP
    Cinnamon just threw up and her glucose is #56 @ 7pm
    I'm freaking out...what should I do???
     
  35. Bobbie And Bubba

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    How long ago did she eat ?
     
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    About two hours ago...she just threw up and pooped
     
  37. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Was it food that she throw up or foam and bile?
     
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    Can you get her to LC food? Give her a couple teaspoons and check her in 15 minutes and post her number
     
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    Both
     
  40. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Had she been constipated by any chance? Sometimes that will make them nauseas and cause them to throw up before they have a bowel movement.
     
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    LC??
     
  42. DebG

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    Thats low calorie food her fancy feast food
     
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  43. Bobbie And Bubba

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    When she ate for you after the vet appointment today was it her regular amount or a lot less? Has she been constipated?
     
  44. Cinnamon Lover

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    Maybe...it's hard to know which girl is pooping at night when I'm asleep
     
  45. DebG

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    We want to bring her numbers up .
    Don't give her too much she wont be hungry if her numbers are going down
     
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  46. Bobbie And Bubba

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    That's the problem with multiple cats in the house. Did she eat her normal amount after the vet appointment or a lot less?
     
  47. Cinnamon Lover

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    Less...just a tiny bit of Dick Van Patten's Natural Balance
     
  48. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Try giving her some LC (low carb food)maybe an ounce of so she doesn't scarf and barf again and then in about 20 minutes offer her a bit more.
     
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  49. Bobbie And Bubba

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    What time zone are you in?
     
  50. DebG

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    If shes on antibiotics that could cause vomiting
     
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  51. Bobbie And Bubba

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    If she won't eat her regular food, do you have any baby food? Pure meat baby food or tuna in water. What ever she will eat, just get her to eat a little something.
     
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    I'm in California...it's 7:24 pm
    She is eating fancy feast now and boy is she hungry :)
     
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    Thats good shes eating test her in 15 to 20 minutes
     
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  54. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Wonderful! It could be that she dropped low only because she did not eat her usual amount of food today.
     
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  55. Red & Rover (GA)

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    Was the throw-up near the litter box by any chance?
     
  56. Bobbie And Bubba

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    @DebG can you stay with Cinnamon Lover? I need to sign off.
     
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    Actually she threw up and pooped in the hallway on her way to the litter boxes
     
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  58. Vyktors Mum

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    I wouldn't let her eat too much at a time for now, just a couple of tspn every 15-20 mins. You don't want her barfing again if you can avoid it.
     
  59. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Was the poop dry looking and hard and mis -shappened? @Vyktor's Mum, will you be on for a while and stay with Cinnamon Lover, I need to sign off and attend to my mom.
     
  60. Cinnamon Lover

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    She ate a bit more than an ounce, about a third of the can
     
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  61. Cinnamon Lover

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    Yes...so she Was constipated :)
     
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  62. Red & Rover (GA)

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    If you see her heading for the litter box, follow her and observe her behaviour. Also, do a dehydration test. Tent her skin as if you were going to give an insulin shot. The skin should fall back almost immediately.
     
  63. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Well there you have it. When they get constipated they get so nauseous and won't eat and then throw up......I think if you can offer her a bit more food in about a 1/2 hour or so, her numbers will come up for you. You shot 6 hours ago so I think she will be fine.

    @Vyktors Mum can you stay with Cinnamon Lover, I need to sign off.
     
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  64. Chris & China (GA)

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    56 is still safe, but we don't want her dropping any more

    It's good she's hungry......give her about 20 minutes from the last time she ate and retest to make sure she's starting to come up
     
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    Yes it did xo
     
  66. Cinnamon Lover

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    Ok xo
    I'm so sorry, I panic very easily :'( from all my traumatic losses :'(
     
  67. Chris & China (GA)

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    No need to apologize!! We all panic especially the first time we see those low numbers!!

    First time with China, I knew I could give her some maple syrup, but didn't know how much to give her, so I dumped about a cup full into a bowl and let her at it....was surprised that she liked it!

    Needless to say, it brought her numbers up...and up...and up....Learned later it was supposed to be a couple of drops of syrup...not half the bottle....LOL
     
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  68. Bobbie And Bubba

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    No worries, when in doubt, post and ask, that is how we all learn.
     
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  69. Vyktors Mum

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    Sorry I have to get on now too but I think it's ok and I will check in periodically as I can

    Cinnamon lover - please update your subject line with any new concerns that come up so I can see at a glance
     
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  70. Olive & Paula

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    I did that too. Just about half a bottle. Thank goodness it was a small bottle.
     
  71. Red & Rover (GA)

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    There's still a constipation issue to address. For tonight, do you have any canned pumpkin in the house? Real pumpkin, not pie filling. If so, you can try adding 1/4 tsp to her food.
     
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  72. DebG

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    Yes
     
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  73. DebG

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    What is Cinnamon's number?
     
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  74. Cinnamon Lover

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    @ 8pm #62
    I'm calmer now and so is she :) xo
    I'm gonna try to get into her ss with the laptop...
    But here's todays numbers @Chris & China
    @8:30 am #90
    @9:30 am #89
    @11:45 am #110
    @7:00 pm #56
    @8:00 pm #62
    gave only 1 unit @ 1:30 pm
     
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    We need to make sure her numbers continue to go up and not falling . Your doing great!!!!
    Can you check her in 3o minutes? What time did you last give her something to eat? How much and what did you feed her?
     
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  76. Chris & China (GA)

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    Debra....when they're running that close to "too low", you don't want to wait an hour between tests

    It does take about 20-30 minutes for any food you feed to get into the bloodstream and raise the blood glucose so you should test at least every 30 minutes until they're safely up some.....simple sugars like Karo/honey/syrup act a little faster
     
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  77. DebG

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    I think my post asked to test in 30 minutes from 8:00 pm California time. :)She stated @8:00pm #62 So was I wrong in saying 30 minutes from 8:00pm? Sorry
     
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  78. Chris & China (GA)

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    No...you're correct!!

    My comment was aimed at the fact that Cinny was at 56 at 7pm and not re-tested until 8pm.....I would have liked to see another test at 7:30, especially since 50's are a new low for her
     
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    I looked back over the posts and see that too! At 7:07 I saw asking for guidance and at 7:12 I saw asking her to feed & test in 15 to 20. Wow how the time slips by by the time you communicate feed and test. Glad you caught that. That's how we all learn and keep the kitties SAFE:cool:
     
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  80. Cinnamon Lover

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    Feeding her a bit more now, and testing in a minute :)
     
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  81. Chris & China (GA)

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    We're not only a "team" here....we're family!!! Cinny is now one of "our cats"
     
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    Oh yes I totally agree!!!!! Family watches out for each other;):bighug:
    I have to go can you stay with Cinn
     
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    Nevermind :/ she won't eat, she's full from the ounce she ate about 90 minutes ago
    She's at #70 now...I'll keep testing her tonight xo
    I gave up on the laptop tonight, it's giving me too much trouble :/
     
  84. Chris & China (GA)

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    Yeah I'll be here a little longer....I'll keep an eye on her but I think we're probably past the crisis stage at this point, especially since Debra isn't going to shoot tonight

    Debra...at this point Cinnamon is coming up nicely....I'd test her again in an hour and let us know how she's doing then....after that, you can probably relax
     
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  85. Chris & China (GA)

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    Debra....do you have any plain canned pumpkin? Not pie filling.....a teaspoon or two per day could help if she has problems with constipation

    A lot of cats like it and will eat it off the spoon
     
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    70 is good an hour ago she was at 62. If she can surf there and going up that would be great. Wow you handled that #56 really good!;)
    There is always someone here to help! If she starts to head down just feed her & test. If her #'s are below 50 and she wont eat you can rub either Karo, honey or Pancake syrup directly on her gums.
    IMHO I think she will continue to rise in numbers.....
    Darn laptops :banghead:
     
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  87. Kathy and TiTi

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    She may have diarrhea. It's more common with liver disease, and Cinnamon did not make it to the kitty litter box without both pooping and throwing up. Sounds like it might be diarrhea, , but Cinnamon's mum would have to clarify this.
     
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    Yes I will test again at 10pm xo
    I don't have plain pumpkin, only the Libbys Easy canned, but I'll buy some tomorrow :) :) :)
    AND..... I just want to thank ALL OF YOU with all of my heart!!! xoxox
    I would be completely lost without all you amazing ladies!!!!! xoxoxoxo
     
  89. Cinnamon Lover

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    no...it was hard
     
  90. Red & Rover (GA)

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    That would have sugar in it.
     
  91. Kathy and TiTi

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    Ah constipation. TiTi gets it a lot. I use Miralax - seems to help. TiTi sticks up her nose at pumpkin. :( Most of my other kitties love pumpkin.
    :cat::cat:cats!:cat::cat:
     
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  92. Cinnamon Lover

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    I know ;) I'm gonna buy some plain pumpkin tomorrow xo
     
  93. Chris & China (GA)

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    Have you got that 10pm test in yet Debra?
     
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  94. Cinnamon Lover

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    Cinnamon's number @ 10pm was #72 :) :) :)
    She's doing good...she's been through a lot today, I'm gonna let her and I rest now :) :) :) I'm gonna set my alarm for 3am and test her again xoxox
     
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  95. Chris & China (GA)

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    that's a wonderful number!! Get some rest!

    Surf safely Cinny!!
     
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    Nice job last night Debra! :bighug:
     
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  97. Cinnamon Lover

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    Thank you!!! xo :) :) :)
     
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