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  1. LindsayF

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    How often do i need to check her? This is the lowest she’s ever been. I’m freaking out!!!

    She just ate some FF gravy. She is acting completely normal.
     
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    Deep breaths. Hang on just a minute while I look at the spreadsheet. and no more gravy, please!
     
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    Okay, my dear, Lindsay. She's going to be fine. You've got this. The good news is that she's usually already past nadir by +6 at night, so while you are going to need to stay up a little longer, you won't need to be up all night. :)
     
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    One thing to keep in mind is that 68 is the "take action" number. It's not the "fall into danger" number. She is still quite safe, which is why you arent' seeing hypo symptoms right now.

    The bar is set at 68 so that you can catch the drop and settle her down before she gets anywhere near danger. So right now she's fine, and you're going to be there to keep monitoring and make sure she stays in safe numbers.
     
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    My hunch is that she's pretty hungry right now, yes? How much gravy did she eat? How much did she eat for dinner tonight?
     
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    I was totally not expecting that number being her high pmps. I’m gonna retest here shortly. Thanks for responding.
     
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    Yes she was hungry! She had about 1/4 can of FF.
     
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    And she ate a full can for dinner.
     
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    1/4 can of the gravy? And how long since you did the +3 test?
     
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    Yes 1/4 of gravy. I tested at 9:45
     
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    Ummm...in which time zone? It's only 7:15 where I am...

    Around here we tell time by +2, +3, +4.5, etc. That way we don't have to worry about time zones. So how many minutes or hours since the last test?

    Regardless, you'll want to give her about 30 minutes since she ate the gravy before you test her again.
     
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    Sorry it’s +3.75
     
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    I just tried testing her she’s very feisty and was scratching me!
     
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    Perfect :). It's like we have our own little language around here, huh? :rolleyes: :bighug:

    Okay, let me know when you've got the next test.
     
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    Ooops, cross posted. Sounds like she might still be dropping. Go ahead and give her some more food. Give her about a 1/4 can of regular food this time though.
     
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    She wasn’t really interested in it but I sprinkled some parm cheese on it (just a little and she’s eating now)
     
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    Hopefully after a little snack she'll let you get that test done.
     
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    She’s doing her normal after eating grooming so I’m waiting for her to be done lol
     
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    She’s still grooming lol
     
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    76 at +4
     
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    Yay! How are you doing? Is it your bedtime?
     
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    Much better now. Truly appreciate your help with this! It would normally be but I’ll probably be up a while longer lol.
     
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    Any advice on dosage in the morning? Obviously dependent on where she is but being they she went so low tonight not sure what to do tomorrow
     
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    If you're staying up, I would get one more test to make sure she stay up and doesn't drop again. And if it's possible for you to leave food out for her, do that.

    As for tomorrow, definitely lower the dose in the morning. She will likely run high for a cycle or two (or three) after this, but lower the dose anyway and give her time to settle back down again.
     
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    Oh, and by "lower the dose", I mean 1.25u. Sorry for leaving off that little detail ;)
     
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    Perfect! Thank you!!!!!!!!
     
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    Well at +5 she’s 63:(
     
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    She’s literally rolling around on the floor cleaning herself now.... not acting like she’s bothered by this at all :nailbiting:
     
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    Shoot. That happens sometimes. You didn't want to sleep tonight, did you? ;)
     
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    Apparently not lol
     
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    If you need to sleep, I would just abort the cycle at this point. You can just give her the gravy and go to bed.

    If you don't need to sleep, you can keep steering with the lower carb food, but it likely means you'll be up another hour.

    How are you feeling?
     
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    I’m okay I’d rather do what’s right for her than right for me! She’s eating now regular ff pate
     
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    She's gotta start coming up soon. She's at +5 now, isn't she?
     
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    Yes almost +6
     
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    109 at +6 :cat:
     
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  36. LindsayF

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    I think I can sleep now :) tomorrow I’ll need all the :coffee::coffee::coffee::coffee:
     
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    Great job
     
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  38. Lisa and little

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    Wow. Looks like you had an eventful evening. How’s the AM number?
     
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  39. Djamila

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    Yes, you'll definitely need a little extra :coffee: today! Great job last night!

    And just ignore the ugly numbers for the next few cycles. Hopefully Zoe will clear out the bounce soon. It can take anywhere from one to six cycles to settle down after low numbers like that, so don't worry too much about what you see today.
     
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    High!!!!! Amps was 380 and at +2 she was 406. I guess that was to be expected!
     
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    Honestly she was running around acting like a nut this morning chasing her brothers around. Being high 300-400 doesn’t seem to affect her lol
     
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    Cats are tough. And resilient. They really are remarkable little creatures. :cat:
     
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  43. Lisa and little

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    Hi Lindsay. I have experienced much of the same. I can really can’t tell when my girl is too low or too high from clinical signs. Just wanted to reiterate not to freak over high numbers for next few cycles. It takes my girl 5/6 cycles to recover. So just try to relax and give her extra pets...
     
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  44. LindsayF

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    Ok help again please! She is 175 at PMPS. Def not what I expected!!!!!! Not sure what to shoot
     
  45. LindsayF

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    I went with .50 as A total guess. I’m going to dinner soon and will be back at +3.
     
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  46. Lisa and little

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    Dang. Sorry I missed you. Keep us posted
     
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    407 at +2 and 278 at +4
     
  48. Jenna Josie

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    Okay -- so data is always good! It looks like .5 was too little, but now you know that, and can feel more comfortable shooting a closer-to-normal dose on a lower pre-shot. It took us *forever* to learn to do that, so good for you for getting the data you need to learn more quickly :D
     
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  49. Lisa and little

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    It’s all a learning curve. And always better to error on the side of safe. You are doing great!!
     
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    Learning curve for sure! Just checked her at +6 she is 64. She’s getting an afternoon snack now. I can’t figure her out at all!
     
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    Yikes. Look like she's wanting less insulin these days. I would suggest trying 0.75 tonight (if she's high enough to shoot), and don't worry about how high she goes tonight. You're doing a great job. Sometimes cats go through times when they are kind of all over the place. Our goal is always get steady them, but it can sometimes take awhile and some guessing. Hang in there!
     
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    What # do you suggest I shoot at if she’s at or above?
     
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    Oh lordy....at this point we could just put numbers on a dart board and start throwing darts....it's anybody's guess. Last night she stayed safe shooting at 175, so maybe anything over 170ish? (insert shrugging emoji here) ;)
     
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  55. Lisa and little

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    Been there. Got the t shirt.
     
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  56. Jenna Josie

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    How thoughtful of Zoe to find a way to keep you on your toes this long weekend! ;)

    So looking at your data since the other night’s adventures ... yesterday’s AMPS was surely a bounce, but her +2, despite being in a different color range, was actually pretty darn close to the PS number, well within meter variance. A more or less similar +2 usually means that the pancreas is doing some work, kicking in its own insulin in response to the food intake.
    Then night’s .5 sure didn’t look like enough, but her little body was probably doing *something* to get that bounced number down to a lovely AMPS this morning since it didn’t get a lot of external assistance last night’s cycle ...

    So yes, I think if her number is high enough (and I think it would be since I would think she’ll bounce again *shrugs*), split the difference and try .75.

    Can you stay up with her if she decides to go on an adventure?
     
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    Yes I can be up with her! Thank you!
     
  58. LindsayF

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    188 at PMPS
     
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    And 436 at +3
     
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    I knowwwwwwwwwwwww
     
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    Ugh! Could it be part of the bounce from this AM cycle, though, so hopefully tomorrow will be better (or at least bring some clarity!)
     
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    278 at AMPS. I’m still going with .75 just to see how she does with it!
     
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  65. LindsayF

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    Kinda what I was thinking as well
     
  66. LindsayF

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    :eek:+3.5 and at 60
     
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    Oh lordy. Okay, back down to 0.5u. And I would give her a little HC food this time. It's early in the cycle, and she's flirting with the 50's. Just give her a spoonful of gravy, and if she's still hungry, some extra regular food.
     
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    You didn't want to leave the house today anyway, right? ;)
     
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    She just ate regular food. Should I still try gravy?
     
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    How does she seem? If you can bring her up without it, that's ideal, but if she's seeming wound up and extra hungry, it would be okay to give her a little here. You just don't want to load her up with a lot of it.
     
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    She’s back at her bowl eating regular food. I free feed wet so it’s always there. She seems okay. She was playing with her catnip sack.
     
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    Looks like it's still about ten minutes to the next test - is that right?
     
  73. LindsayF

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    Yes
     
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    How are you feeling? I have some errands to run, but don't want to abandon you :)
     
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    I’m okay!
     
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    Alrighty, I'll check in when I get back. Have fun, and fingers crossed she's back in safe territory soon!
     
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    I wrote on here wrong what she was at amps she was 239 not 278. She’s 97 at +4.5
     
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    Looks like she’s holding for you?
     
  79. LindsayF

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    Yes at +5.5 she was 137
     
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    Once she settles down, Would this be a situation to start with smaller increases and U 100s?
     
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    Def bounced .... 525 at pmps
     
  82. Lisa and little

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    You’ve definitely got yourself a trampoline kitty this week. I’ve been there. She will settle down. Don’t worry. :bighug:
     
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    Holy smokes, Zoe! That was not necessary, little girl!

    Remember after a lime green, you're supposed to lower the dose, so you should bring her down to 0.5u. She's shown you that 0.75 is too much insulin for her. I know that 0.5u wasn't enough the other day, but I'd try it for a few cycles and see if she settles down. Especially with you gone at work this week, better safe than sorry!
     
  84. LindsayF

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    I didn’t know that :( I’ll lower her tonight for sure.
     
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    It’s okay, Lindsay. I actually would have been tempted to hold the dose for the giant bounce cycle last night, and she’s probably still high enough that she’ll be just fine for this one, too. :bighug:
     
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    Yes, one approach to bouncing is to "shoot through" the bounce - so you keep the dose where it was for a cycle or two since they'll be high anyway, and then lower on the cycle when you anticipate the bounce will break. I don't usually suggest it because it's so hard to time it right, but essentially that's what you're doing. And quite honestly tonight might be good timing to bring the dose down. :)
     
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    Ok!!! At +5 she is 135
     
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    336 at PMPS. Gonna go down to .50
     
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    Sounds good! She’s probably a little bounced up right now, so my thought would be to hold her here for a few cycles and see if she settles in once she completely clears the bounce.

    Edit: oh! Like Djamila wrote just earlier. :oops: :D
     
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    Ughh I hate Black numbers! 589 this morning :mad:
     
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    Booooo
     
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    158 at PMPS :banghead:
     
  93. LindsayF

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    50 at +2 .... is this for real?’
     
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    Ok retest to make sure that's correct.
     
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    You know what to do. Get the high carbs ready. If you have any dry party mix that usually does the trick along with gravy
     
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    I’m here, too.
     
  98. LindsayF

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    78 now at 2.5
     
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    @Jenna Josie She had some regular wet and maybe 2 tablespoons of gravy.
     
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    okay -- that's very good! Now that you've got her out of the limes, start your "hypo clock" and re-test in 30 minutes from the last test. (If you can bear it! Some people like to re-test in 20, and that's sure understandable!)

    When you get a breath, tell us what you feed her to bring her up -- what kind, how much, etc.

    Edit: ah! There's what you fed her.
     
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