1. mary hornbeck

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    hieveryone:
    I know that Ihaven’t been here in a little while but I am very worried about my boy marmalade.
    Up until this week he wasalert, eating and his BG levels stayed no higher than 250.

    Currently this week, 12/6, he has been having diarrhea for about 2 days and this morning he wasn’t interested in any food. He has been drinking water though. I don’t know what his BG was so I gave him 2.5 units, 1/2 cup of food ( this was 6 am). He also had diarrhea around 6 and 8 am as well. When Igot home from work around 1 o’clock he hadn’t touched any food but did eat some dehydrated chick then started eating some of his food ( royal canine gycobalance and his BG was69. Retook BG at 1:45 and his BG was 115. At 5:20 tonight his BG was 380.

    His next feed would be now at 6p, BG 388.My question is “if he is still not interested in eating what should I do in terms of giving or not giving insulin?”
     
  2. Kris & Teasel

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    That's a large difference in BG values for today. It's possible his 2.5 u dose is too high but it's hard to say without more data. These large BG fluctuations can make them feel bad but don't cause diarrhea. If he continues to be off his food and have diarrhea the best thing to do is have your vet check him. Diabetic cats who don't eat are in danger of developing diabetic ketoacidosis (DKA) or hepatic lipidosis. If he won't eat you can't give insulin and that adds to the DKA risk. Can you try syringe feeding some plain meat in broth baby food or his own wet food mixed with water?
     
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  3. mary hornbeck

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    He started to eat some of his food at 6 but his appetite has decreased and he seems to be drinking more water these past 2 days. I feel like I brought this on by giving him the insulin when he didn’t eat this morning. I am sure that he’s not feeling well.
     
  4. mary hornbeck

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    I do have some dehydrated chicken. I put what was left from his 6 am feed which was 1/2 cup of foood but the measuring cup was only half full so he only ate a quarter of the half cup this morning and at 6p he only ate quarter of his normal feed of half cup
     
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    Maybe try some chicken in broth baby food? That's my go to when my cat w IBD doesn't have an appetite. Mix in some water and heat up slightly. He may drink it right off a bowl if not you can syringe in a bit to get him started.
    I would see the vet about the diarrhea. An infection could affect his bgl as well. There are some good home remedies for diarrhea but I would see a vet first to rule out anything serious. He will probably be prescribed flagyl or tylosin. Both work well but flagyl has some serious side effects to be aware of.
    Make sure he eats! No longer then a couple hours then syringe some baby food or pureed cat food. You could also just boil some chicken and try that as it's very mild.
    I've always been told to not give insulin when they have not eaten. When my cat went off her food due to diarrhea IBD caused I syringe Fed about 10mls, waited a bit then gave insulin. Then refed as often as needed.
    Sorry, I don't mean to go on...Tribby had chronic diarrhea for over a year. She was at the vet for this issue when diagnosed w diabetes.
    Hope he feels better!
     
  6. mary hornbeck

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    Thank u, I just remembered that I have some dance food wet in house, maybe I will try that this week and take as many readings as I can. Thanks for the info. I will definately take him to the vet if diarrhea continues
     
  7. mary hornbeck

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    What size fancy feast should I get and how many times a day
     
  8. Kris & Teasel

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    Doesn't Fancy Feast only come in those small tins that are around 3 oz. in size? Let him each as much as he wants in small frequent meals. Unregulated diabetic cats are usually hungry all the time because they can't get energy from their food very well.
     
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  9. Noah & me (GA)

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    Zap food in the microwave until just warm. What a cat cannot smell it won't eat.
    Agree with Kris about no insulin without food, lots of possible consequences.
    We need to figure out a better way to convey time. Big difference between 6PM East / West coast.
    Are you going to be okay Mary? I've got a screaming migraine and need to crawl into bed.
     
  10. mary hornbeck

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    Hi Noah and me,
    I talked to my vet to see if they feel I should bring him in today. It seems that the diarrhea has run its course but now marmalade is eating a small amount, maybe less than quarter or quarter of 1/2 cup, at his 6pm meal time which will last about five minutes then he regurgitates it up and just looks at the food. He will go back and eat a little more but this doesn’t last and he seems to lose interest. Any ideas?

    In spite of this he is alert and taking steps to from himself

    What is hepatic lipidosis?
     
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    If you are changing food brands or even flavors, that can cause digestive upsets. My Callie can only eat chicken or turkey flavored food. When she had diarrhea, my vet suggested we keep track of what we were feeding her and learned that she could only eat poultry flavored food. We have had not problems since then.
     
  12. mary hornbeck

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    This is what I don’t understand, I’ve had no changes with food. The only change is the 1 unit of insulin that my vet is saying to go with and continue tracking BG levels
     
  13. mary hornbeck

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    I’m not sure if this was the right thing to do but I gave marmalade a quarter of a 3 ounce can of fancy feast cittern food and he loved it and ate a little more of the gyco balance. Hopefully I didn’t cause more harm, any ideas?
     
  14. Kris & Teasel

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    Hepatic lipidosis ("fatty liver") is a serious liver complication that can develop if a cat stops eating for a few days or eats much less than he needs. It has to be treated in a vet clinic and can be life threatening. I wouldn't let him go much longer without a good vet check. Diabetic ketoacidosis is another condition that can develop if a diabetic cat isn't eating enough. Also very serious and possibly life threatening.
     
  15. mary hornbeck

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    I am so tempted to get him some fancy feast by the weekend, do u think this would be a good idea
     
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    Hi Mary,

    It isn't too clear in your signature but does it mean to say that Marmalade is eating the dry Glycobalance?

    Has Marmalade had the low carb fancy feast before?

    If you are making the switch to the Fancy Feast Classic from the Glycobalance, Marmalade's BG could drop significantly since the FF has so many less carbs.

    You mentioned his levels had not gone higher than 250 before this started? I guess I am just worried about you giving the same amount of insulin if you are switching the food. Do you home test? I see a meter in your signature.
     
  17. mary hornbeck

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    Hi Adam,
    Yes, I do test at home and he has been on gyco balance for quite a while now. During the past two weeks he has thrown up and has diarrhea and now out of his 1/2 cup of food he is only eating a quarter of it. He starts eating for roughly about 5 minutes and walks away from the last quarter cup of food, I think I’m just going crazy. I keep thinking of financial restraints for emerg nay or life threatening conditions of fatty liver or ketones
     
  18. mary hornbeck

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    His levels prior to this week were under 250. I haven’t taken readings prior to this week,12/7, as he was showing no signs of loss of an appetite. For all I know something could have been going on last week as well as the week before. My vet warned me about switching foods in terms of insulin change. I just wanted to try a small amount of fancy feast to see what h3 would do with it, he seemed more interested in eating that as well as a little more of the gyco balance
     
  19. mary hornbeck

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    Still can’t figure why his BG dropped to 69 the other day, since then his levels have returned to 300s but he has a decreased in appetite vs not eating at all. I don’t know what to think at this point
     
  20. Adam Flowers

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    I'm sorry you are going through this. I do not have any experience with a non eater. Mogee eats like a horse.

    You mentioned the diarrhea has seemed to have run its course?

    Is there a reason you have Marmalade on the Glycobalance, other than the vet recommended it?

    Mogee was on the same food for a month and a half. He was always in the high 200s and low to high 300s. I switched him to the Fancy Feast Classic and his numbers dropped below 100 the very next day on half the amount of insulin. The Fancy Feast Classic is cheaper too and from what I've learned on here, way better than the prescription diets which are too high in carbs for diabetics.

    In my opinion, I would drop the Glycobalance and switch to a low carb wet food... the one thing that did happen when I switched though was Mogee had diarrhea for about a week and a half before his stools became normal so I don't know if switching foods may be the best for Marmalade at the moment if you are still having diarrhea issues.
     
  21. Adam Flowers

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    It's very possible it dropped that low because he wasn't eating much and you still gave the 2.5 units.

    Mogee was in the low 200s usually and when I first switched his food he dropped to 83 the very next day because he was still getting accustomed to the food (he had ate dry his whole life) and he hardly ate more than half a can by mid morning.
     
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  22. mary hornbeck

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    I was thinking that between the throwing up and diarrhea he wasn’t feeling good which affected his appetite, I don’t remember how his eating was last week but very well could have been less. How did u transition him safely?
     
  23. mary hornbeck

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    Marmalade has also been on dry his whole life
     
  24. Adam Flowers

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    I transitioned cold turkey. Many may oppose this but many are feeding based on Dr. Lisa's food chart and she herself mentions that she did the same with many cats without any real issues.

    I was lucky and Mogee loves the FF. And I asked a bunch of questions on here because I knew the dose he was on (6 units, twice a day at the time) would be too much if I switched. So I have him 3 units when I switched and as mentioned I am glad I didn't give the 6 units because he was down to 83 @ +3 the first day of wet.

    If you do end up switching to the FF, there is a formula you can use to determine the amount of calories Marmalade will need to start and you can make changes as needed as you go based on if he keeps weight or not.

    13.5 × weight in lbs. + 70

    So At 16 lbs. Marmalade would need about 285 calories per day. FF has about 90 calories per can. So he will need about 3.25 cans a day.
     
  25. Adam Flowers

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    I don't see any harm in making the switch, especially if he likes it and will eat it since you are having trouble getting him to eat, which he needs to.

    But like I said, it may not help with the diarrhea, in fact it may get worse before it gets better. Mogee just now started giving me solid poops and we started the FF back on the 9th of November. I wasn't too worried about the diarrhea as many said to wait it out and given the fact he was never on wet before.
     
  26. mary hornbeck

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    How often did you weigh and test him during the his adjustment
     
  27. mary hornbeck

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    I think this weekend I am going to get some fancy feast at Walmart or pectoral and track his numbers for at least a week, what are your thoughts
     
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    I have not weighed him since the switch. I feed anytime he is hungry. He at least gets two cans in the morning and two at night. If he seems hungry I will feed him. I pretty much free feed the Fancy Feast Classic since it is under 5% carbs. I just make sure to take away his food 2 hours before his test. That way the BG test is not influenced by food.

    I test every time before I give insulin at 5:50 AM and 5:50 PM. I also usually always test (when I'm home) @ +3, And +6 or +7 just to see how fast he drops and to see where he is at nadir. I am fortunate that Mogee doesn't mind being tested. I probably over due it at times but I test about 5 to 6 times each day. I think strips have been my biggest expense thus far.
     
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  29. mary hornbeck

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    Yes you r right the testing supplies are the worst as far as expense, mine too. Mzrmalade is on a 6 am and 6 pm feeding schedule. How soon would I need to test in relation to giving food?
     
  30. Adam Flowers

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    I definitely believe a food switch from the Glycobalance dry to the Fancy Feast Classics, long-term is the way to go.

    I still am worried though that it may add to your difficulties with the diarrhea.

    But I know your numbers long term will be better on the Fancy Feast Classic than on the Glycobalance as I have experienced it first hand and the Glycobalance just has way too many carbs.

    In fact, I have said this numerous times but I wish I would have listened to everyone in this forum to make the switch at the beginning but I was naive and kept him on the Glycobalance for a month and a half too long.

    Have you set up a spreadsheet yet? To help with tracking Marmalade's BG so others can help with dosage, etc.?
     
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  31. Tanya and Ducia

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    Hi Mary,
    sorry Marmalade isn't well. Do you still have that FortiFlora? It is for helping with diarrhea - use per directions on the box.
    Another good use for it is to entice kitty's appetite - in this case sprinkle a little of the powder on top of the food - it helps many cats starts eating.
     
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  32. mary hornbeck

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    hieveryone:
    I know that Ihaven’t been here in a little while but I am very worried about my boy marmalade.
    Up until this week he wasalert, eating and his BG levels stayed no higher than 250.

    Currently this week, 12/6, he has been having diarrhea for about 2 days and this morning he wasn’t interested in any food. He has been drinking water though. I don’t know what his BG was so I gave him 2.5 units, 1/2 cup of food ( this was 6 am). He also had diarrhea around 6 and 8 am as well. When Igot home from work around 1 o’clock he hadn’t touched any food but did eat some dehydrated chick then started eating some of his food ( royal canine gycobalance and his BG was69. Retook BG at 1:45 and his BG was 115. At 5:20 tonight his BG was 380.

    His next feed would be now at 6p, BG 388.My question is “if he is still not interested in eating what should I do in terms of giving or not giving insulin?”
    I forgot about that I’ll have to try it over the weekend, I am working all day on friday
     
  33. mary hornbeck

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    As of yet I don’t have a spreadsheet set up, I’ve been working extra hours for the holidays. So your cat was also on gyco balance as well?
     
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    If I feed him at 6am what time should I test him in the am and pm?
     
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  35. Adam Flowers

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    Yes. He was on the dry and the wet. If you click on my spreadsheet link you can see when I switched and how much Mogee's numbers improved instantly.

    I was told numerous times on here that the Glycobalance was garbage. I argued with me vet, etc. One day, I was finally fed up with no progress and made the switch. One of the best decisions I've made along this journey .
     
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  36. Adam Flowers

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    Right before you feed. I test Mogee at 6:45, then I feed him right after. After he eats for a few minutes, I give his injection. I do the same for his PM injection.
     
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  37. Tanya and Ducia

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    HERE is the good thread on the subject - including how people dealt with dry food addict. Among other things it talk about how ok it is to leave wet food out for a kitty to eat even for the entire day - no problem.. if a cat tends to gobble up anything which is in front of him at once - then feed him before leaving his wet food portion and place another frozen portion of the same food in another bowl - it'll thaw in a couple of hours and he'll have something to eat once insulin kicks it.

    I read on the Dr. Pierson's blog that dry food prone to fungi, mold and bacteria - could that explain Marmalade's issues? Maybe... I am glad you considering switch to wet - try Friskies Pates - like Poultry Platter, Mixed Grill - any that are not fish flavor. You can get 6 oz can at Walmart for $1.09 - and even less in a Dollar stores. As Adam mentioned in his post - beware that it'll reduce Marmalade's dose needs significantly.

    I cannot agree more with that...
     
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  38. Becky & Baby Girl Kitty

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    Hi Mary, sorry you’re going through a ruff time! I stopped the dry food in one day & the numbers showed it. Just remember to test first so he doesn’t have a hypo emergency. The food change alone could cause his numbers to be much lower & less dosage to be given! Lots of great advice from these knowledgeable people here! :cat:
     
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  39. Tanya and Ducia

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    there even were several reports on kitties going in to remission once switched to wet low carbs food!
     
  40. Squalliesmom

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    If you switch completely to wet food please do it on a weekend or whenever you will be home to monitor BG throughout the day! You will need to test several times during the cycles to make sure kitty is not dropping too low! Lowering carb consumption can drastically lower BG, causing a hypo. Testing can help keep hypos from happening. :)
     
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  41. mary hornbeck

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    So let me get this straight: my schedule would look something like this:

    6am take BG reading, feed, then give designated amount of insulin, then get readings every 2-4hours
    Repeat at 6p

    Would that be the way to go in terms of time frames, any thoughts
     
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  42. Adam Flowers

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    That sounds good until you get a better idea of what the insulin will do to Marmalade with the low carb food, if you are going to make the switch. Once you get a better idea of how low he goes, you shouldn't have to test every 2 to 4 hours. But for sure you want to test every time before you inject any insulin.

    I also would advise against giving the full 2 units at first if you are going to only go with the low carb wet. I would may be go 1 unit or less at first to see. But it is hard to tell without seeing a spreadsheet or knowing how Marmalade frequently drops on the 2 units.

    Remember I was on 6 units twice a day on the Glycobalance. Made the switch, only gave 3, and Mogee was down almost 200 points from the previous days on Glycobalance at given times. If I had gave the 6 units, he may not be here today.
     
  43. mary hornbeck

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    My vet sugg stead gyco balance upon the initial diagnosis of diabetes, his sugar was like 600’s, other than that no reason. This is the first time my marmaladevhas not ate all of his food in one shot or within a couple of hours later. It’s bennabut a day and a half with no diarrhea so far,12/7, he peucked up his food tonight at least a quarter of cup
    right now I went from 2,5 units to 1, given the BG of 69 yesterday afternoon. In order to get a bsseline should I let him eat as much as he wants without insulin and just take BG readings every 2-4-6 hours?
     
  44. Tanya and Ducia

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    It largely depends on your life's schedule.. you won't have to test every 2 or 4 hours every day... it i important to establish a routine that fits both - your schedule and Marmalade's well-being/ needs..
    Before I post what I would do may ask a few questions?
    1. 6am/6pm cycle - is that a schedule that you must keep? Is there any room for a flexibility at all?
    2. are you available on the weekends to do more frequent testing, or does your work schedule includes weekends, too? Are there any days at all when you can dedicate the entire day - up to 12 or 18 hours to testing as frequent as 2 or 3 hours? (it's called a "curve" , a great tool in assessing the dose usefulness).
    3. is there anyone else at all to step in for you to test if needed?

    The thing is once the routine of dealing with Feline Diabetes is established it gives you huge window to have a life - whether it's be a professional, a social or a family one... It is only in the beginning that much time is required. One of your greatest tools ever is to get help here and (I am sorry to sound like a broken record) for that we need to see the BG readings recorded in the Spread Sheet.

    You see, how often to test is dependent upon so many variables ( the current dose, the work schedule, the food and eating, etc.)- too many to list now but they are usually kept in the Spread Sheets - we can read it real quickly and give you give you good advise as to how to dose, how often to test, what to feed if you need to go out, or when it is time to put down lancet and have a break... I understand how busy you are now...But let us help you better by maintaining the SS - someone set it up for me and taught me how to use it - if you wish I'll introduce you.

    The general guideline is to Test (2 hours after last meal)- Then Feed - Then Inject if number is not too low to do so - all within 10-15 min. There are instances when a pre shot number is too low or a cat refuses to eat - then a customized approach should be taken - and for that we need to see the SS... Ther are instances when a cat eats, receives his injection and then vomit all of the food out and refuses to eat.. For that to we'd see the record of numbers and food eaten...

    It sounds like a lot but it is true only for the starts.. it gets so much more easier.
     
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  45. Tanya and Ducia

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    That's exactly where the SS comes in handy - to understand what is going on with him.
    To feed him what he want is ok - he needs food and he needs insulin.
    But why did you say without insulin?:confused: I am sorry I don't understand...
    Chances are that after yesterday 69 he might go "bouncing" and not giving insulin won't make sense..
    As I said - without the SS it is guessing, not analyzing... Please consider starting the SS - someone here can help with it.
     
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  46. mary hornbeck

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    The first week should I skip the insulin to get a baseline? How much insulin would I give him the first week? Please clarify
     
  47. Tanya and Ducia

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    The forst week after what?
    If you asked me: it depends on:
    1. is he is fed wet food only? if so - what kind of wet (the carbs %?)
    2. what is the feeding schedule is like and does he eat well
    3. if he is on mixture dry and wet - what are the details?

    Generally speaking (very generally) if the pre-shot value is below 200 - do not feed, stall and immediately post for help. Do not inject until after you talked to someone w/ experience.

    If the pre shot is high then feed as usual, make sure he keeps the food in, does not vomit and inject. Leave food out if yo are not there.

    Again - it is General guideline - not for Marmalade specifically. It is all dependent on what you read every day and record the BG level and what food was given@what time since the injection - it is only how a dose can be properly assessed. Insulin s a hormone, not a medication, it acts differently per cat per day per weather, etc... too many variables to tell up front what is right to do without seeing test results upon diet change..
     
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  48. Tanya and Ducia

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    Ok, it'd been a while now. I am going to bed.

    Mary, please try not to get overwhelmed with info - we all dealt with it in the beginning thou, it'll pass, - but keep testing and posting and I hope you can get good deals on the wet cat food at Walmart that Marmalade likes. :)

    My offer to get someone to help you with the SS stands - please tell me you accept!:)It'll make your life so- so much easier!
     
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  49. Kris & Teasel

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    Tanya has given you great advice. Here's a summary that might help:
    • think of a test/feed/shoot schedule that works for you as much of the time as possible. Consistency is key.
    • get Marmalade eating low carb wet food if possible. If not, tell us what he will eat.
    • set up a spreadsheet like we use here. We rely heavily on it to assess your kitty's insulin responses and find it very hard to advise properly without it.
    • you've indicated that he gets a 2 unit dose of Vetsulin twice a day. That might have to come down or go up but we need spreadsheet data to know.
    @Chris & China or @Marje and Gracie can set up a spreadsheet for you if you wish.
     
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  50. mary hornbeck

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    Yes, I accept to set up a spreadsheet. He ate a small amount of fancy feast kitten last night and it stayed down but would not eat this morning even after I tried to wet it with warm water and put the flora stuff on it; in spite of this his sugar was around 380’s, will continue to monitor as much as possible over weekend. I am starting the fancy feast this weekend, should I continue to give the minimum amount of insulin if it is above 190? Or should I. It give any st all to see what his numbers are
     
  51. Tanya and Ducia

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    @Chris & China
    @Marje and Gracie
    Hi guys, can you please help Mary to set up the SS?
    I would make a new thread with the question mark from the drop menu (blue box called prefix left on the subject/title line) your title's prefix - it'll attract more eyes. Ask ppl with good experience as too much to reduce once you know she is going to eat the FF well. Personally I am hesitant to tell "cut the dose at once" because I do not how she'll eat her new diet and frankly not too much of a dose expert. If she'll eat well then most likely the dose is to be reduced but only the BG numbers will confirm it. Reduced down to how much? POst it as a question - I'd rather you hear from experts. But I'll watch for your posts over the weekends too.

    I'd start the FF introduction slowly - the current dose is too high to switch to FF completely in one day.She may dive. Maybe mix half dry and half FF to start? And take tests - that how we'll know what she does on the new diet and the current dose.

    When you go shopping for FF in addition to low carbs pates for daily feeding buy some Medium and High Carbs varieties such as FF Grilled - medium carbs (MC) and FF Gravy Lovers high carbs (HC) - not for daily use but to keep her safe from Hypo if need be - get 2 or 3 cans of each, just to be covered in case of her dropping too low. You may not need them at all but better safe then sorry.
     
  52. Chris & China

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    Yes

    @mary hornbeck ...sending you a private message
     
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  53. mary hornbeck

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    Hi everyone :
    I just wanted to get some insight if possible- the sage of marmalade continues. He continues to have diahrea no matter how little or how much I feed him. I even went to get some fancy feast which he ate just to get and entice him to eat as he was only half of his gyco balance. He is drinking water. I am changing the litter box every other day. I have never had this problem before and can’t understand what is going on with him.

    I’m sorry everyone for taking so much time on this, please bear with me
     
  54. Kris & Teasel

    Kris & Teasel Well-Known Member

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    I answered on your other thread.
     
  55. mary hornbeck

    mary hornbeck Member

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    Can u tell me more about your cats IBD I. Terms of signs and symptoms as well as what food u use, the more research I do about this the more I think my cat has it because he will eat a raw piece of cooked chicken, waiting to see if he keeps it down
     
  56. CassWTribby

    CassWTribby Member

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    My cat has diarrhea IBD. She's on tylosin an antibiotic and prednisolone to reduce inflammation in her bowel. She's on CBD oil now which is reducing the amount of pred she needs.

    I prefer her to eat raw but that doesn't always happen so I keep a couple of cans of simple ingredient with no carageen or guar gum in it.

    If you think he has IBD they can do an ultrasound to Check for inflammation in the digestive system. Then start a steroid and an antibiotic for management.
    IBD Kitties webpage has a lot of info about diet and meds. Probiotics and other supplements that may help. Tribby never really vomits so I'm not familiar w treating that.
    Every cat responds differently to IBD treatments so it's a challenge to get them stable.
    Tribby was seeing the vet for diarrhea when she was diagnosed w diabetes.

    An acid reducer, some slippery elm gel and a single protein diet is where I would start. Talk to your vet because there are meds that help. Tylosin has been a life saver for Tribby but every cat is different.
     
  57. mary hornbeck

    mary hornbeck Member

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    Hi. Just got back from the vets and bloodwork showed no sign of infection or key tones and my vet doesn’t feel the vomiting and diarrhea wasn’t from irritable Bowels disease. My vet suggested to continue monitoring and resuming his normal routine.she thinks that he is sensitive to the gyco balance dry and try gyco balance wet or fancy feast if warranted. He is definately Hungary so I have been giving him som cooked chicken just to see if he keeps it down which he has. Right now I am leaning towards him being sensitive to his food. She also said if I can’t get anything to use the fancy feast as a last resort.
     
  58. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Well-Known Member

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    If you need help with a SS or need me to do it, please send me a private message by clicking on “Marje and Gracie” to the left under Gracie’s picture and then “Start a Conversation”. I’m working on SSs today and I’d be happy to do it for you.

    As a long time member here, I would hesitate to give any dosing advice to anyone without a Spreadsheet. There are patterns that one can see on a SS that are not so easy to pick up on just by looking at individual numbers. It will only take a me a few minutes to do one for you but you’ll need to PM me.

    Thank you :)
     

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