Appears it took a couple days to get over the fur shot.

Discussion in 'Feline Health - (Welcome & Main Forum)' started by Patty & Teal'c, Jan 4, 2020.

  1. Patty & Teal'c

    Patty & Teal'c Member

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    Staying up tonight testing Teal'c every hour throughout the night. He has been on Prozinc since 11/11/19 . He still drinks a lot and pees a lot the litter box has become a true chore. I get the feeling the Prozinc is not doing much for him.

    I am hating testing him not because of having to poke his ear but because of the high numbers. It's almost always a high number.

    Finally he at +5 dropped down below 400 to 385. I am giving a treat after each test to reinforce a positive for him. Could the treat be influencing the readings? I'm using Purely Fancy Feast Natural Treats.

    I am thinking he might benefit from a depot insulin like Lantus and am thinking about asking vet about switching. The vet has not had much to do with his treatment. Did a curve 3 days after dx at vet office. Gave me the Prozinc and said 2units. Then we went on vacation a cruise we had planned. Housed him at the vet office for 12 days and in that time they did 6BG. When we got back he said to up to 2.5 units. Since then I have changed him from high carb dry to Friskies pate and Fancy Feast Pate dropping his dose down to 1.75 because at 2units he ran even higher. The vet has not said to schedule any follow up visits. Just said if he starts howling the worst cry ever heard get him in there because it means trouble. Oh and let them know a couple days in advance when I need a new vial of prozinc.

    I just want to see him get better. Staying high can't be good for him.

    Sorry so long I'm feeling defeated.
     
  2. Red & Rover (GA)

    Red & Rover (GA) Well-Known Member

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    you do not have to test every hour. for a curve, every two hours will suffice. grab a nap or two.

    looks like he is still bouncing from the blue number. as time goes on, the bounces will become less as his body becomes adjusted to lower numbers.

    feline diabetes is a marathon, not a sprint.

    you might want to tag @MrWorfMen's Mom in the morning to take a look at the numbers.

    hang in there.
     
  3. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    First, I’d stop testing him every hour tonight. Usually when we do a curve, we test every two hours unless the BG is dropping and more testing is needed but, otherwise, we don’t test hourly. Give yourselves a break on that tonight.

    What I’m seeing is there are many nights with no tests at all after the preshot. It’s possible his dose is too high but we won’t know that without nighttime tests as cats often drop lower at night.

    So we can determine if he needs more or less insulin, first you should always get a preshot test. Don’t assume that because he’s been high, he will also always be high at preshot.

    Second, PZ onsets at about +2/+3 and can nadir as late as +7 or so. That means you’ll need a test or so sometime within that +3 to +7 timeframe so.

    I’ve been working with another PZ user lately with an identical situation. Once we got him to start testing at night, we were able to find out the kitty needed more insulin. Here is his SS (be sure and look at the 2019 tab): Do Daa’s SS.

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    he SS is like a puzzle and so we test at different times to try and put that puzzle together as to what is going on. Cats often go lower at night. We can help you just as we have been helping Do Daa’s caregiver but it’s going to take some random spot checks between +3 and +7 plus the preshots both cycles.

    What do you think?
     
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  4. Patty & Teal'c

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    Thank you I'm just so worried about him. I'm not ready to lose him. I thought after almost 2 months we would be doing better.
     
  5. Patty & Teal'c

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    My problem is I work at night 5pm to 5 am. I do test at nights on my nights off at different times. My husband does the night time shot I have started testing before I go to work which is an hour before his feeding and shot it's also an hour after I pick up the food. I need to teach him how to test so he could do one before he goes to bed. That would be about +3 he goes to bed between 7 and 8. He works 4:30am to 4:30 pm. Not trying to make excuses but with my schedule there has to be a way I can work this out. I had today and tomorrow off. Then next week I have Thursday Saturday and Sunday off is there any way we can use the day time hours or my nights off to sort this out see what I need to do to help him
     
  6. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    It’s great your husband does the nighttime shot. Even if you test an hour before his shot, he needs to be tested right before it so, yes, it would be really great if your husband could learn to test and could get the preshot and a before bed test.

    Certainly, if you can get a few more tests throughout the cycle when you are home during the days and a couple spot checks when you are home at night (in addition to the preshots), that will help. If, on a day and night you are home once a week, you could do a curve (testing every two hours over a 12-hour period), that will also help.

    We want to help you but we are always cautious about raising doses without knowing how low the dose is taking him. Let’s work together to see what kind of data you can get.

    Please tag me when you post by typing @Marje and Gracie so I’ll know you’ve posted something, ok? Thank you!
     
  7. Patty & Teal'c

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    Thank you. This is my awake time so am going to finish the night testing but will go to every 2 hours. I myself want to know what his numbers are doing. By the looks of things he hit his low at +5 unless it's possible for it to still go back down it has gone back up slightly.

    I'll talk to him Sunday about the need for him to test before food and shot, and before bed. Don't think that's asking too much. I'll explain that it might not go well but on the bright side his ears already know how to bleed.
     
  8. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    Sounds great. You’ve already gotten some data that is helpful. Keep in mind that every meter can have a 20% variance from one test to the next so he’s very, very flat tonight.

    Because he was headed down yesterday at +3, he probably went lower and the 194 was a good test; he was just on the way up. It’s not uncommon for the BG to shoot up at the end of the cycle due to loss of duration. In addition, if he did go lower during the cycle, you can add bouncing on to it and the numbers rise quickly.

    Hope you get some rest. I know you really want to help him and we want to help you both!
     
  9. Patty & Teal'c

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    I have a question. He had a number below 200 again today and shot way up over 500 a couple times thru the day. Is there a point in time where he will be ok with the lower numbers or is this just the way he is going to be? I keep hoping there is a way to train his body not to react so hard to lower numbers since that is what we are trying to do is lower his numbers.
     
  10. Sienne and Gabby (GA)

    Sienne and Gabby (GA) Senior Member Moderator

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    Bouncing, while hugely annoying to us, is a normal part of the process. Teal'c isn't used to spending time in normal numbers. The higher numbers have become a more familiar range -- hence the bouncing. As your kitty becomes reacclimatized to spending time in lower ranges, the bouncing will slow down or stop. I typically tell people that cats bounce -- until they stop. The point at which they stop is unpredictable because every cat is different (ECID).
     
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  11. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    He did seem to clear the bounce pretty quick though!!!
     
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  12. Patty & Teal'c

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    Yes he did. I'm going to say I just need to keep pushing forward with what we are doing. I work to tonight I did ask husband to help test Teal'c he responded with how many time. I told him if he would just do once before shot and once before he lays down that would be great. Told him to text me the numbers so I can put in SS. we will see how it goes I expect not much the first few time. I'm using 30 gauge going to run out and get some 28 gauge lancets to help with him being successful at this.
     
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  13. Deb & Wink

    Deb & Wink Well-Known Member

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    Look for lancets that are labeled "For Alternate Site Testing" on the box. Walmart Relion brand has these. They are 26 gauge so can make the pokes even easier for hubbie. Box of 100 is $1.56.

    Great for those doing paw pad testing too, instead of the ears.
     
  14. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    Yay for your husband! :):woot::woot:
     
  15. Patty & Teal'c

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    That is what I ended up getting I want him to be successful so he doesn't give up. Any help I can get from him is a good thing. I also let him know how much him helping me means to me and Teal'c. He could have wanted nothing to do with this so I felt it was important to let him know he is wonderful.
     
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  16. Patty & Teal'c

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    He appears to be coming back up slowly I'm going to test him again just before I leave. I'm hoping for a slower rebound then I have seen before.
     
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  17. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Senior Member Moderator

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    It looks like your observations are correct that he’s going lower somewhere and bouncing back up.
     
  18. Patty & Teal'c

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    After the fur shot it appears it took him a couple days to get back to where we were before it. Husband is checking before night shot but hasn't done a before bed check. Getting ready to do a check before work off tomorrow.
     

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