Bella’s FD journey part 1

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  1. Bellasmom

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    Bella got into the dry food last night spiking his BG, my fault, feeling bad and sad, still trying to find the right dosage, crossing my fingers, thanks for all who has helped me
     
  2. Nan & Amber

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    Good morning--

    Just wanted to say hi, been following along your other thread but not commenting (Kris was doing an excellent job guiding Bella's dosage). Don't beat yourself up because of a food slip, it's just a temporary thing. And he could still be doing some bouncing from that lime green yesterday, which will elevate numbers and make any food spike look worse than it actually is.

    It takes a while to find the right dosage, and Novalin isn't the easiest insulin to work with. You're doing great!
     
  3. Kris & Teasel

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    I agree! No beating yourself up! :) Cats do what cats do. Is he feeling well and eating well?
     
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  4. Becky & Baby Girl Kitty

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    Yes you’re a fantastic cat momma! I don’t blame you or Bella! What? No carbs? This diet sucks! I’d sneak bites whenever I could! Baby wants her temptations chicken & momma says no! She’s been sitting under the drawer where I keep her treats & crying... mewing... oh my, a drama queen! Only that yucky freeze dried stuff is coming out of there now! Meeeeow
     
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  5. Bellasmom

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    Yes, just took BG 278
     
  6. Kris & Teasel

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    I like that response to the 1 u! :) He's definitely responding to this low dose but still safe. Get another around +6 if you can.
     
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  7. Kris & Teasel

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    Glad to see the negative ketones test result. :)
     
  8. Bellasmom

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    +6 BG 318
     
  9. Kris & Teasel

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    Any dry food thievery? If not don't worry. Let this play out today. The goal is to get a good set of baseline data. How is Bella feeling?
     
  10. Bellasmom

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    No, has not had any, I hid it where he can’t get to it and he seems fine, sleeping right now
     
  11. Kris & Teasel

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    Another possibility is that fairly quick drop from 453 to 278 at +3 has set off another bounce. I'm glad he's feeling OK.
     
  12. Bellasmom

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    Question for you, like when u asked how he is feeling, is he suppose to feel bad if it’s real high not normal I should say, I know what to look for if it’s low but is there something I should watch for if it’s not in the normal range and can cats go blind from diabetes, I noticed some people have blind cats
     
  13. Kris & Teasel

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    Sometimes they might be lethargic when numbers are higher but not always. I was interested in how he's feeling overall. We often say on FDMB that you kitty is more than just his BG numbers.

    Some of the people here with blind cats had it happen for other reasons like high blood pressure.
     
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  14. Bellasmom

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    +11 BG 333, didn’t raise much since last test at +6, so 1u this evening too?
     
  15. Kris & Teasel

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    Yes, 1 u again tonight. :) It'll be 1 u again tomorrow AM and PM and that should be enough baseline data to know what to do next. If he decides to surprise you with another lime green that plan can be changed. After your pre shot final test for this cycle get one before bed tonight if you can.
     
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  16. Bellasmom

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    No black or lime green today
     
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  17. Bellasmom

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    BG went up at +2.5
     
  18. Kris & Teasel

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    I saw your note about the food. Which Stella and Chewy’s are you feeding? I’ve read that they’re higher in carbs. Would he eat Friskies or Fancy Feast pates if you fed only that? Unfortunately keeping strict control on food is a necessary part of all this. Do what you can - I know it’s hard with other cats. He’s shown you, though, that he’s sensitive to carbs in food.
     
  19. Bellasmom

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    He’s eating themfreeze dried raw chicken, I usually crumble it on top of his food or give him 1 as a treat, usually after I test him so he doesn’t think it so bad every time, I’m gonna try friskies, I think he is tired of the ff and he is really picky about the flavors, the other am I had to open 4 before I found 1, I am trying and I am printing out a sitter sheet that’s on here and put on frig for hubby, he’s been a trooper in trying to help
     
  20. Bellasmom

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    I did contact Stella and chewy and they said 1 to 2 % carbs
     
  21. Kris & Teasel

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    Some people frown at the idea of feeding Friskies because they think it's junk because it lists "animal byproducts". Dr. Lisa Pierson, the vet whose food list we refer to here doesn't rule out feeding animal by products. Many people feed it , though, and if you look at the ingredients list it's not that bad. I feed it to Teasel mixed in with prescription DM wet food (6%) from my vet.

    If you haven't seen it, here's the link to Dr. Pierson's food list - very useful when you cat food shopping:
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/dr-pierson-new-food-chart.174147/
     
  22. Kris & Teasel

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    Yes, it's much harder when you have a picky eater on your hands. And congrats to your husband for helping. :)

    I'm sorry if you felt I was scolding you about foods. I sure don't mean to - just noticing the impact of food on Bella's BG levels and giving my opinion.
     
  23. Bellasmom

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    I didn’t take that way:)
     
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  24. Kris & Teasel

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    Here's the plan looking ahead a little:
    • try for at test between +3 and +5 today if possible
    • give 1 u again tonight
    • get a before bed test tonight
    • numbers permitting he'll be ready for a little increase to 1.25 u tomorrow AM so get ready to eyeball that.
    Does this work for you? :)
     
  25. Bellasmom

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    Yes but I can’t test till 2 which will be +8, i hate that I can’t be there with him during the day, hubby can’t take at 2
     
  26. Kris & Teasel

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    No problem - get that +8.
     
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    +8 473
     
  28. Kris & Teasel

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    We now know that a small increase is the right way to go. Follow the plan in my post #24 above. :)
     
  29. Bellasmom

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    BG 595 +11, I tried taking his BG with an advocate human meter and I just got error messages, it belongs to my boss
     
  30. Kris & Teasel

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    A human meter will generally read lower than a pet meter. It's easier to stick to one type of meter. If you find the pet meter strips are getting too expensive you can switch over to a human meter. Manny people like to use one of the Walmart ReliOn house brand models. The Micro and the Confirm are two popular models because they take only a tiny blood drop to give reading. I think the strips for those cost around $30+ per 100.

    If you do decide to switch we can help you with the BG ranges for a human meter.
     
  31. Kris & Teasel

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    Time to increase tomorrow: up to 1.25 u.
     
  32. Kris & Teasel

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    I see the dose increase. Get a urine ketone test today if you can.
     
  33. Kris & Teasel

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    Plan going ahead - unless he surprises us:
    • 1.25 u tonight and AM/PM tomorrow
    • test somewhere between AM and PM today if you can plus one evening test
    • same testing plan tomorrow.
    If his numbers stay high you’ll increase to 1.5 u on Thursday. OK plan for you? Is he feeling well, eating well, etc.?
     
  34. Bellasmom

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    Yes, plan is good, hubby will test when he gets home, I have to work 12hrs today
     
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  35. Bellasmom

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    +2 278, finally in the yellow yeah, I switched food to ziwi airdried raw mackeral and lamb, he loves it, also primal frozen raw
     
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  36. Kris & Teasel

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    Nice drop. It's quite a bit lower than pre shot so I suggest you get a +4 if you can. If he's completely off all higher carb food his numbers can drop significantly.
     
  37. Kris & Teasel

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    One more dose of 1.25 u this evening then up to 1.5 u tomorrow AM - unless there are surprises. I always have to say that because cats like to keep us on our toes! ;)
     
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    Oh boy don’t they, well he loved the ziwi cat food, heck he should it’s 18.00 for 14oz, heck I’m willing to try anything if it helps him, have to get a part time job too lol, NO ONE would eat the frozen raw, so back to the store it goes, hubby is home today and tomorrow so I’m having him do a +4
     
  39. Becky & Baby Girl Kitty

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    Yea for Bella doing better! I ordered the ya treats - Baby has nothing she likes for a low carb treat! I now have 5 opened treat bags & $ down the drain! I don’t think they’d take them back after opening?!? Any suggestions? She wants her chicken temptations- shes still sitting by the drawer, looking up & crying! She knows where they’re at! E-gads! Lol
     
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    I give Stella and chewy freeze dried raw chicken, they are larger nuggets and I break them into
     
  41. Bellasmom

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    Where I get mine they will take back as long as 75% of it is still there, you could always try
     
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    @Bellasmom - is that the chick chick nuggets or patties? I know you’re busy so no need to answer now. Looking online...
     
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    Nuggets
     
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    Ok got the ya in 2 days & she loves them!! Woohoo - thank goodness I made her happy!
     
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  46. Bellasmom

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    What do you think of his numbers today
     
  47. Kris & Teasel

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    Very nice! :smuggrin: There's a little room to come down in the middle of the cycle so I think that an increase to 1.5 u tomorrow still makes sense. He's settling nicely which was the goal in decreasing then slowly raising his dose. How does he feel?
     
  48. Bellasmom

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    he feels real good, he loves his new no carb food
     
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    +2 282
     
  50. Kris & Teasel

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    I'm really glad that his other signs are good. It's easy to get too focused on numbers and forget to look at the kitty. Finding something he likes to eat is a huge bonus!
     
  51. Kris & Teasel

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    Nice response to the insulin today. Would it be possible to get a +4 this evening to add a bit of extra data to your SS?
     
  52. Kris & Teasel

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    I’ll keep an eye on how he does on the 1.5 u dose. :)
     
  53. Kris & Teasel

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    I see that 180 - good so far. :)
     
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    Question, does all this protein cause uti or crystals, bella had uti a month ago going from cat box to cat box, peeing a little, they gave antibiotics and it just started that agin this evening, omg
     
  55. Kris & Teasel

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    Numbers today are pretty good. Continue with 1.5 u tonight and tomorrow.

    As far as crystals go, are you sure it's crystals or an actually UTI? Some cats are very prone to sterile cystitis and those episodes look just like a UTI or crystals - frequent peeing, blood in pee, straining to pee, peeing in the wrong place, etc.

    Teasel was very prone to them but they haven't been a problem since his diabetes diagnosis and me adding extra water to all his wet food meals. When he had the episodes he had his urine cultured a couple of times but had a UTI only once. My vet prescribed symptom treatment: cerenia because it has antiinflammatory action, pain meds and an antispasmodic (prazosin) for urethral spasms.
     
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    He’s not peeing blood, he just goes from 1 box to the other and pees a little bit, I always give extra water to everything, he has had crystals in the past
     
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    I see that in your signature. If it's not an infection or crystals, stress can bring on these sterile cystitis episodes. Could there be something different going on that's bothering him? Once I learned Teasel's patterns with his episodes I'd just keep a close eye for any signs of blockage but otherwise just let them run their course.
     
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    So what should I do, I gave antibiotics, pain meds and meds to relax is urethra, I, wondering if he is still having trouble do I need to go to vet or give this some time, also giving
     
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    So do I wait and see what happens or take him to vet, don’t know what to do, so what is the difference between crystals and sterile crystitis, and what should I look for when it comes to blockage, I have not slept much, up and down to see if he is doing ok, been in a panic, I’m only giving the very very wet raw this am and last night
     
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    With Teasel, I’d watch him to make sure he was still peeing even if it was only small amounts. They can’t pee at all if they’re blocked. You’ll have to use your judgment with Bella. I gave you my experiences with Teasel but if you think Bella’s is a true UTI the vet will need to check him. You could try waiting a while if someone is around to keep a close eye on him.
     
  61. Becky & Baby Girl Kitty

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    When Baby was first diagnosed she had a UTI. They gave her the antibiotic shot (one that lasts 3 weeks but really isn’t the best one for a UTI) & that did not work. In 3 weeks I took her to my new vet & they gave her another oral 10 day antibiotic (the right one) to get it cleared up. They also gave me the cerenia pills to help with inflammation. She recovered after the second round. Sorry I can’t remember the meds but I can look them up if you need the antibiotic names. She was peeing outside of the box. But peeing small amounts iften is also a sign. That is also when she began peeing straight back & still does this. I think her peepee hole got messed up?!?
     
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    Yes thanks, I decided to take him to vet, better to be safe than sorry and save myself from worrying and not sleeping all weekend long, I will read these
     
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    Thanks for the help I appreciate it, I’m taking him to vet at 11, I’m taking off work early, I don’t want to worry all weekend and not sleep, I have a very long work day on sunday so I need to get some rest
     
  65. Kris & Teasel

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    You'll feel better after the vet checks him. Maybe ask the vet about "feline idiopathic cystitis".
     
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    I’m glad you are... I always worry that Baby won’t show me a sign & have another one. Or I’m always checking her peeing! Nosy momma! Let us know how it turns out!
     
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    Some I guess good news is that is BG was a little lower this am than yesterday
     
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    Hi there! I’m so sorry that Bella isn’t feeling well. A vet visit sounds good...it’ll help you feel better. I can tell you my Tigress has cystitis...flares fairly often. She was diagnosed when I demanded the vet take her and find out why she was always having these UTIs. Turns out they weren’t UTIs at all! My vet took urine and sent it out for a culture and sensitivity (which I recommend) and did an ultrasound to check for stones or other issues. C&S came back with nothing and nothin on ultrasound...now when she flares I don’t even bother with the vet. I give bupe for pain.

    Cystitis does wax and wane...and does recur unfortunately. Extra water is good. However since it’s usually sterile inflammation there’s really only so much you can do. I’ve been giving corn silk extract as that’s a natural anti inflammatory...it hasn’t worked great for us but I know others who’ve had major success with it. I’ve also been giving hemp oil which I believe is helping some.

    What I’ve learned through Tigresses issues is that this simply will keep happening. When I see her flaring I give pain meds. And I’m trying different things in hopes of lessening the flares...but the major thing I do is try to avoid being stressed as that stresses HER out. If he’s peeing some he’s not blocked...and if he isn’t blocked he'll be okay.

    Id request a C&S if they say infection as that can tell you with more certainty and can tell you what meds will work best. If it’s in fact a cystitis flare which I suspect I’d get pain meds (bupe is best) and prazosin for the spasms. I’ll put together some info I have on different things you can try that could help too if you’d like.
     
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    Thank you so and I will ask doc for those tests, will let you know what doc says, he is eating well and I put tons of water in his food this and he ate it all, he acts fine except for the peeing just a bit at a time
     
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    Thanks so much for this, Rachel. :)
     
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    What Rachel does for her kitty is what I used to do for Teasel when he had his episodes. The thing that helped me the most was seeing over time that the bouts would come, slowly resolve on their own over several days and then go. I watched him to make sure he was still peeing even if it was little bits and sometimes in inappropriate places :confused:. I gave bupe for pain and prazosin for spasms only rarely. I learned that this was a thing that would come and go and tried hard not to hover or stress over it. That gets easier once you see how the episodes play out - assuming no blockage of course.
     
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    Good deal! Since he’s eating and peeing a little you know he’s okay for now. He is able to per and if blocked would probably not eat. Stress really is a major factor in this. Seeing Tigress get better has helped me as Kris said. I know she’ll be fine since I’ve seen it.

    Let us know what the vet says!
     
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    Well just got back from vet, UTI
     
  74. Kris & Teasel

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    White cells in urine? Will he be on antibiotics?
     
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    On antibiotics simplicef,oxybutynn, and lasix
    Now Abby is doing same thing, but it seems she’s trying to poop, she’s been to cat box like 6 times, gave her some miralax, I can’t tell if she’s trying to poop or pee, omg
     
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  76. Kris & Teasel

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    Is Oxy .. a pain killer? Why Lasiz (a diuretic)?
     
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    I’ve never heard of those. Are they doing a C&S? Did the vet say he saw bacteria?
     
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    It’s a bladder relaxant and they want him to pee
     
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    He drew urine out of his bladder and tested it
     
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    Another cat is doing same thing
     
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    The antibiotic i looked up and it says similar to penicillin
     
  82. Kris & Teasel

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    Very strange. If both are still peeing and otherwise look/act normal it would be better for your stress level to just quietly observe, give meds and step back as much as you can. That's easier said than done but necessary. Vets will often prescribe an antibiotic "just in case". The best way to know for sure is to culture some urine to see what bacteria, if any, grow. For you, though, you have the peace of mind of having your vet check him. I hope you can relax a bit this weekend. :)
     
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    You poor thing! Now 2 of them! A culture will tell you which type of infection it is - bacterial... but a broad spectrum antibiotic will treat all kinds. Hopefully this is what he gave you. Bella should show improvement in a few days & hope the miralax helps, if not try a little canned pumpkin mixed in the food. Sorry but glad you have meds now!
     
  84. Bellasmom

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    No, I was wrong she cant pee either , I think, hard to tellso I’m screaming:eek:
     
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    I have given everyone meds, they both are eating and acting normal, bella has finally quit going back and forth to cat box, I think the Xanax has relaxed Abby and she’s had antibiotics and bladder relaxant, I’m going to lay on couch and just shut my eyes, doc was mad a me for not bringing in bella more often about his diabetes, told him I joined a forum and he looked at me like I was crazy, he made me cry cause he acted like I wasn’t doing what was the best for bella and I know I try my best everyday, I told him I could not afford to bring him all the time
     
  86. Kris & Teasel

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    Poor you! A time out is what you need. :(
     
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    And a nice hot cup of camomile tea
     
  88. Kris & Teasel

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    Perfect! :smuggrin:
     
  89. Becky & Baby Girl Kitty

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    You have experts here telling you what to do! You definitely are doing everything you can for him! Just what would he do differently I wonder? You’re exhausted I’m sure- put a little Xanax in your tea!!! Lol -you need some after this day! Bless your heart
     
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    I know, and he didn’t even ask about his BG or insulin except to fuss at me, I wasn’t gonna mention it anymore, I’m doing just fine with you wonderful people
     
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    I know you've had a stressful day but would it be possible to get a +2 or +3 test this evening? Depending on that test as well as the pre shot BG tomorrow morning I might advise staying at 1.5 u one more day.
     
  92. Rachel

    Rachel Well-Known Member

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    It's been a tough day for you for sure! Don't you wish the vet could prescribe a xanax for you too...I always wish mine could!

    I do want to give one suggestion. There's a product called Cantharis that you might find useful. It's supposed to be helpful for pain from bladder issues. HEre's a link to it on Amazon: https://amazon.com/Boiron-Cantharis...UTF8&qid=1520043800&sr=8-2&keywords=cantharis. You can also get it from some health food stores..I get it from the Vitamin Shoppe. It's not as good as bupe from a vet, but it's OTC which is nice...and I can say that when my girl Elektra starts to act funny (yes I've got two cystitis kitties...forgot to mention that earlier) I give her one of these and then another about 30 min later and usually it clears her right up. It might be something to try with your kitties as it's fairly cheap, doesn't require a prescription, and couldn't hurt, right?
     
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  93. Bellasmom

    Bellasmom Well-Known Member

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    I, so sorry I fell asleep on the couch I just was so tired for no sleep, working 12 hr days, will do better today
     
  94. Kris & Teasel

    Kris & Teasel Well-Known Member

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    No problem. Try for an extra test or two today. Keep the same dose for now until you get those.
     
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  95. Kris & Teasel

    Kris & Teasel Well-Known Member

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    Hmm ... that black this AM suggests he might have dropped a bit lower last night or maybe it's from the UTI. I saw your SS note about getting a +4 today. :)
     
  96. Bellasmom

    Bellasmom Well-Known Member

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    +4 233
     
  97. Kris & Teasel

    Kris & Teasel Well-Known Member

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    Much better! Any chance of a +6 today?
     
  98. Bellasmom

    Bellasmom Well-Known Member

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    I tried but he is under bed and won’t come out
     
  99. Jill & Alex (GA)

    Jill & Alex (GA) Senior Member Moderator

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    @Bellasmom
    This thread has become rather lengthy. When threads get this long oftentimes other members won't bother reading because of the length and/or become reluctant to jump in to offer suggestions/advice. Finish up here for the day, but please start a new thread tomorrow.
    Thank you very much! :)
     

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