Bouncing numbers kinda worried

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  1. trapnurse

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    its 2 am and he's at 114 BG. any theories about his insulin dosage? what could possibly be making this go horribly Horribly wrong?
     
  2. trapnurse

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    I think my better question at this point is if He's starting to not need insulin at all, it seems like ever time i reduce his dose he tries to go Hypo on me. and then if I DONT give him a shot he sky rockets to the 300s? one a day shots? no shots at all? reduced? its all really starting to feel so over whelming i wish i knew what was going on or that i was rich and could afford a vet to treat him every time.
     
  3. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    114 is good. He may be cranky but you need to get three tests in a row that are rising or at least staying steady without food influence and he may not have reached his lowest point in the cycle yet (nadir) so retest again in 30 minutes and don't feed him anything else right now.

    Nothing is going horribly wrong.... it's actually going wonderfully other than scaring the crap out of you. Breathe@! Your little Cloud is making great progress and as scary as all this is, it really is good news!
     
  4. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Believe me you don't want a vet treating him every time. Your vet caused what is happening now by prescribing too much insulin. Cloud was on too much insulin and bouncing which was keeping his BG artificially high. Now that the dose of insulin has been reduced closer to what he needs, you are seeing much better numbers but he's not bouncing now. This will mean another dose decrease and a bit more monitoring but it's all good news!
     
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    Ill test him in 30 minutes. You guys have no idea how much I hope the most wonderful things in life happen to you all for helping me. I was literally losing my mind before finding this place.
    do you have any idea how much i should be giving him now that this has happened? less then 1 Im guessing?
    seriously again you guys are literal angels in disguise.
     
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    We are all just paying it forward. :D This place is a godsend to be sure and like you we've all benefited immensely from the knowledge of the folks here. We virtually adopt the kitties who come here along with their "parents" and we call situations like this PJ parties! We try to avoid them but they do happen and there is usually someone around to help out. Should this happen again, post a new thread on Health with a prefix of "911" and that will get the attention of anyone online at the time.

    To summarize should someone else join Cloud's PJ party....
    Shot 11:30pm
    +2 - 40
    +2.25 - 96
    + 2.5 - 114

    We can determine future dose after we make sure Cloud is safe and sound.
    Are you working tomorrow?
     
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    yeah. I work three evenings 3 pm to 11 pm and then three graves 11 pm to 7 am. which is why i place his shots at 10:30 am and pm because i can get close to that on my swing/ evenings. I wake up any where from 9 am to 10 pm. but monday Ill have all day to take care of him till i have to work at 11 pm.
     
  8. trapnurse

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    2:30 am he's at 75 BG.
     
  9. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Ok he's dropping again which is from the sugary stuff wearing off. Will he eat a bit of his wet food now or if not his dry food? We want to keep his BG up in the 90 to 100 range. Is there any people food he likes to eat? Deli meat, some tuna or salmon, whatever he will eat is fine right now.
     
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    He is eating his wet food when I put it in front of him, i can get some deli meat as well to really entice him to eat. he loves Tuna but i ran out of tuna a few days ago! i can mix some of the dry kibble INTO the wet food if needed? but he seems to eat willingly from his wet food.
     
  11. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Stick with the wet food right now but not too much. A tbsp or so. Test him again in 30 minutes. We need to try to not fill him up so he will eat when he needs to. Don't use the dry food unless it's the only option. It takes longer to hit his system and will fill him up faster. Do you have lots of strips to keep testing as needed?

    SUMMARY
    Shot 11:30pm
    +2 - 40
    +2.25 - 96
    +2.5 - 114
    +3 - 75
     
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    yeah I brought the entire kit in my room with him and me so that i can be with him he's near his food and every thing. I have two more whole bottles of strips if need be.
     
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    its 3:05 and He's at 72 BG. two less then when he was at 75 BG at 2:28.
     
  14. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    That's really the same reading so no worries but he's still needs to come up a bit and is going to need to be monitored. Give him another little bit of wet food and test again in 30 minutes. Unfortunately, you may be monitoring for awhile till he gets further into the cycle and the insulin start to wear off. Put a little honey or karo (1/2 tsp. or so) into the food to bump him up a bit extra without filling him up.
     
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    SUMMARY
    Shot 11:30pm
    +2 - 40
    +2.25 - 96
    +2.5 - 114
    +3 - 75
    +3.5 - 72
     
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    He's nibblign at the honey wet food mix. i had to warm it up to entice him. he's getting a full tummy. and i can stay up a bit longer. maybe another hour and a half. I know I will end up dead at work in that little office if I dont but i dont want to leave him unsafe either.
     
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    Let's see where he goes after this batch of food. It's hard to nail down when he usually has his lowest point because today he seems to be dropping very quickly and early. I understand completely about needing to get some ZZZ's but we need to be sure Cloud is safe before we let our guard down. Hopefully this last batch of food will put him up more.
     
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    My hopes is that all this struggle just means he needs very very VERY little insulin ever on his shots. once i get the proper training to be a phlebotomist ill have a job i can afford to search for a way better vet thats insulin smart / diabetic smart.
     
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    That I'm afraid is a rare animal. There are a few but to be honest, I've seen a lot of nonsense come out of vets who supposedly have had their own diabetic cats!. You need a vet who will work with you as a partner but you need to take control of the diabetes because you are the one who knows your cat best, and are holding the needle. Once you have lots of data, it becomes much easier to handle. Your vet had Cloud on too much insulin and it becomes impossible to know how much of any BG reading is due to bouncing as opposed to a naturally occurring high BG. In the best case scenario, you start with a low dose of insulin and work up slowly so you don't miss the ideal dose AND you home test rather than have curves done at the vet to determine what that proper dose is. A lot of vets don't think people can home test their cats so they don't even suggest it but that means that the vet is prescribing insulin based on stress elevated BG numbers obtained in the clinic.

    I only take my girl to the vet for her annual checkups or if something other than her diabetes is amiss. My vet worked with me in the beginning and with her help and this board, I have managed to get my girl who was once on 16u of insulin twice daily , down to 2u to 3u. She got to 16u slowly and methodically so I knew we had not skipped over her ideal dose. My cat has a somewhat rare condition that makes her a high dose cat. My vet admitted she had never dealt with the problem and consulted with a specialist and listened to me when I shared info I got from this board. Had it not been for this board, I might still be tearing my hair out about not being able to get my cat's numbers down even with copious amounts of insulin.

    In short, there is nothing like hands on experience and unfortunately, vets just don't have that experience but you do. Your cat is unique and understanding your own cat makes this sugar dance a lot easier than relying on someone else to call the shots. Yes the pun was intended! :woot:
     
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    3:53 am. BG = 105. he's going up now ~ updating spread sheet.
    yeah i dont think my vet has much care in diabetes he's more of a surgery and clinic vet. I've noticed he's not to get in conditions with animals that arent super common.
     
  21. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    He's up a bit but it would be nice to get him up a bit more. Some of that is the honey and that will wear off quickly. Don't give him anything else right now and re-test again in 30 minutes. I know this is draining but Cloud could drop again and that could get dangerous.

    Don't be upset with your vet. Like a human GP, he has to deal with a lot of different ailments and in a vet's case, different species to boot. Chances are good he isn't now and never has, dealt with a lot of diabetic cats. The training vets get on diabetes consists of a few hours which is a drop in the bucket and not enough to make any vet an expert. Unless they specialize in Endocrinology, chances are good, they are just following textbook guidelines and those differ depending on how old your textbook is!
     
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    SUMMARY
    Shot 11:30pm
    +2 - 40
    +2.25 - 96
    +2.5 - 114
    +3 - 75
    +3.5 - 72
    + 4.25 - 105
     
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    4:24 AM BG=133. I think he's finally heading up! nightmare over! I hope...i feel like it is. im wondering if i shoudl lower the dosage based on his readings at 10:30 am Tomorrow.
     
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    That is better but I'd get at least one more test without any more food before calling it safe to leave him. Retest again in 30 minutes and I will be back in a few minutes with suggestions about future dosing. I have to go look after my little sweetie's shot! BRB!
     
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    SUMMARY
    Shot 11:30pm
    +2 - 40
    +2.25 - 96
    +2.5 - 114
    +3 - 75
    +3.5 - 72
    + 4.25 - 105
    + 4.75 - 133

    My suggestion would be to skip the shot this AM. After this run of low numbers, his pre-shot may be up but that could be some bouncing and that could break suddenly so better for Cloud to be high for a day than too low for a moment especially when you will be at work and I'm sure you need a break from any more scary situations and Cloud does too from all the poking. Sunday evening, I'd try 0.25u and hold that for a few cycles to see if it's enough or too little unless of course he throws you any more surprises. Do you have syringes with 1/2 unit markings on them? If not, get a used syringe and draw up some coloured fluid to make a sample syringe of what you feel is 0.25u. Consistency is more important than being spot on. Then you can use that sample syringe to compare with when giving 0.25u.
     
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    5:08 am BG = 156. He's going up. I'll skip tomorrow's shot but test him. And sadly my syringes are U-100 im not sure if that can change. I am not sure if certain syringes have different things or not on them. But I can eyeball it pretty well~
     
  27. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    The u100 syringes aren't the problem. Your insulin is U100 right? It's whether there are just full unit markings on the syringe or half markings. In either case you're going to have to eye ball the 0.25u dose, but it's easier with the half marking syringes.
     
  28. Kris & Teasel

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    Whew! That was a lot of excitement for you! Thanks heavens you had Linda to help. :)

    You might not realize it but your SS isn't accessible right now. It says I need permission to view it. Not sure if it's just me or if something needs tweaking so we can all see it.

    I'm SO glad you came here and asked for help. I shudder to think of what might have happened had you continued at that gigantic dose! :eek:
     
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    SUMMARY
    Shot 11:30pm
    +2 - 40
    +2.25 - 96
    +2.5 - 114
    +3 - 75
    +3.5 - 72
    + 4.25 - 105
    + 4.75 - 133
    + 5.5 - 156

    I think he's fine now but if you can possibly stay up another half hour, I'd grab one more test without food to be absolutely sure. If you can't stay up, leave food down for Cloud to munch on as needed.

    Allie, you did great tonight! I know how scary this has been but you handled it well and kept Cloud safe. :D
     
  30. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    @Kris & Teasel thanks for pointing out that you can't see the SS. I've had it open here since yesterday and couldn't figure out why it wasn't updating. DUH! LOL! If I'd just closed the SS and tried to reopen it, I would have discovered the problem!
     
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    I just got a notification that the file was in the owner's trash. :eek: I took a copy to be on the safe side!
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    :eek:o_O??? It can happen when you're exhausted. I hope it's retrievable.
     
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    I'm pretty sure it is but I have no idea how. I'll see if I can figure it out but we may have to call Marje, the SS wizardess! LOL!
     
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    WHEW! Figured out how to get the file back so Allie should be able to restore it.

    Allie, to restore Cloud's spreadsheet you need to go to Google Drive. Click on the Trash folder to see what files are there. Right click on the file you want to restore and you should be all fixed. Let us know if you have any problems! :)
     
  35. trapnurse

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    I just woke up after fighting the sleep, I'm sorry! I tested his Bg just now! He was at 296. I'm trying to get the ss back into my ss maker on mobile again I don't know when I might have accidently removed it.
    Being that his bg is 296 I figure onward with out shot today like suggested? I'm going to avoid giving him a treat today under the circumstances.
    Edit:: i fixed the spread sheet. I uploaded it from my computer instead this time till i can figure out mobile again.
     
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    Retested him now at 2:13 before I get ready for work. He's still at 296? I'm not sure what to make of this. Yay he's not going hyper? Yay he's not going hypO... what the heck...
     
  37. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    That's Ok. You got one heck of a surprise last night and while his pre-shot is higher this morning, it's not gone way way up so I still think since we now know 1u is too much that skipping the shot this AM knowing you cannot monitor is a good decision. He may be more sensitive to insulin right now and we don't want him all of a sudden dropping again while you are at work. There is likely some degree of bouncing in that 296 which could break at any time. I'll try to check in tonight just before shot time but I can't guarantee since that'll be 01:00 to 01:30 my time! I think you should be safe giving 0.25u as long as the pre-shot is 200 or more. If he happens to come down below that, please post for suggestions in Health forum or skip the shot again if you don't get a response. No telling how many folks might be on the board at that time of the night/morning.
     
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    Thanks for the advice! I'll be testing and I'll give him the 0.25 if it's like 250 or above. Crossing fingers for good luck!
     
  39. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I think 200 is high enough for a shot of 0.25u but if you feel better using 250 as cut off tonight so you can be sure of some sleep that's fine but I wouldn't hold anymore shots after that unless absolutely necessary, You've gained ground and don't want to go backwards now. :DGet yourself well rested. You are going to be home tomorrow for his full AM shot cycle, correct? IE working graveyard 11pm-7am?
     
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    Yes. I'll be home all day and atvwork all night. At the most I'll be out grocery shopping but that's it.
     
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    Make sure you put tuna on the grocery list for Cloud! :woot:
     
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    I plan to! He loves that stuff! He's put up with so much and been so good I just want his BG levels to be ok. But I'm sure he'll appreciate a new big pack stash of fishy goodness~
     
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    200-270 I'd do 0.25
    270+ I'd do 0.5
     
  44. trapnurse

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    I'm curious but why LESS for a higher BG then more?
     
  45. Kris & Teasel

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    Actually, Janet has suggested more for the higher range (above 270) - half a unit. She's suggested a quarter unit for the lower range of 200 to 270.
     
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    Huh? 0.5 is more than 0.25. I think you read that wrong
     
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    I'll need to learn these numbers better then. I operated thinking it went in 100s I'm sorry is I sound really ill equipped intelligence wise math was never easy for me. I thought 0.25 would be like one quarter of a whole shot. Like 1/4 is just one price of a whole 4 cups if that makes sense. I'm going to go research this better now while I have down time.
     
  48. Kris & Teasel

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    No problem! Just ask any time you aren't clear on anything. We can always find other ways to convey information. :)
     
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    Lots of excitement overnight! And that was just on 1.0U, thinking of where he was 9 days ago :woot:. Glad Linda was here with you, you did very good!
     
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    Linda saved my furbutt. I have nothing but respect for how much knowledge she has.
     
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    SS updated and he's at 317. Administered 0.25 ( read up on measurements at work! ) and now to wait and test after one hour at 12:30! ( thank god working st night makes me mostly nocturnal.)
     
  52. JanetNJ

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    Yes.... .25 is a quarter of a unit. 0.5 is half of a unit. I suggested if it is 200-270 give a quarter of a unit, and if it is more than 270 to give half of a unit.
     
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    reason for .25 is because he seems like he's not that hungry right now and has not really been munching too hard on his food. but im checking him hourly till I sleep to see how this goes. But it seems he might actually be good tonight. the syringe I use doesnt ahve markings for the .25 or 0.5 either so I had to kinda get as close as I could but i think I ended up Possibly giving him a tad more then 0.25. I got home tongith at 11 and no pharmacy is open im hoping tomorow to buy him syringes that will allow me to measure this more accuratly so I can better follow your guy's advice!
     
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    Unfortunately there aren't syringes with quarter markings.... There are ones with half markings though, and that may help you with dosing these fractional units. :)
     
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    I just tested his BG sndit went down on its own? From last night. To a fairly nice number.... I don't know if or how much insulin to give him... I wanna say 0.25 but I wanna hear an opinion first just to be sure this has never happened before , his BG going down with out insulin that is.
     
  56. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I'd give him a 0.25u dose. Janet suggested 0.5u with that pre-shot and that might be ok but his pre-shot being down makes me think it's safer to stick to the smaller dose today. The fact that his pre-shot is down suggests he is coming out of his bounce from those lows the other night.
     
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    0.25 it is. He's finally steadying out from his bounce yay! Also his spirited seems to have come back. The power went out while I was at work so the non hunger might have been from heat its normally 81 with out ac when it's 100 + out side. Thanks summer...
     
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  58. Yong

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    Those border range numbers can be confusing to dose with :smuggrin:. We like erring on the side of caution ;)
     
  59. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I've noticed that lately with my furkids too. They all seem to be eating a bit less the last week of so when it's been somewhat steamy here for us. I don't like it cold and hate AC so I set my thermostat to around 75 to 77 so it can get a tad warm upstairs despite the AC working.:smuggrin:
     
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    So far into monitoring his shift to 0.25 he's at 103. I'm hoping he won't go too much lower because I need to grocery shop soon but I want to keep him safe. But the 0.25 seems to be working wonderfully for him!
     
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  61. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    103 is a BEEAAUUTIFUL number! :joyful: Now the trick is to get him to surf in that range for awhile. Has he eaten again since shot time? Give him a snack of low carb food and retest in about 30 minutes. That should being him up a bit so you can go shop. Ya gotta go get the tuna for the furry guy!!!:woot: While you are out shopping it would be a good idea to buy a few cans of FF Gravy Lovers or something else with gravy so that you have some high carb food in the house in case he decides to throw another PJ party. Hopefully he won't but better to be prepared. ;)
     
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    Perfect number!!
     
  63. JanetNJ

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    I'm glad you went lower since it was pretty boarderline and his eating is less. Looking great today!
     
  64. Kris & Teasel

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    Cloud is doing SO well! :smuggrin::smuggrin::smuggrin:
     
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    I want to thank every one on here for your help. I could never have gotten him go this point with out all your help. He's at 116! He's doing so wonderful on 0.25!! I feel excited even though its hot as heck here! :D
     
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    You are so welcome! We kind of adopt all the critters and their humans as if they are our own....and they are because this is one big happy family around here! :D:cat:
     
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  67. trapnurse

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    The 0.25 seems to be a new holding dose I'm not sure how long it takes to come out of a bounce but I am pretty confident about tonight.
     
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  68. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I wouldn't worry about that pink pre-shot last night. Cloud dropped down to a "normal" number and is bouncing a bit as a result. This too shall pass and his pre-shot will come back down. Cloud is doing very well! :)
     
  69. Yong

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    Looking very nice, Cloud! :cat:
     
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    He's either stabling out or might need a slight increase to possibly 0.5 in the future but I'm gonna give it a few days. I think I'm finally grasping the way to use this spread sheet flow with these bounces.
     
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  71. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    He's been getting some great numbers and each one can set off another little bounce so I'd hold the course for now. His pre-shot might have been up a bit last last night but this morning's wasn't bad at all. He may be going to decent lower numbers at night so I'd stick with this dose for a few more cycles to get a good picture of what this dose is doing for Cloud.
     
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  72. trapnurse

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    I'm proud to say cloud has become exceptionally stable thanks to all your guys help. My only new question is if I should move him to 0.5 to get those pretty blue blues showing up?
    Also I'd like to know how I could help others with my limited knowledge, I want to give back as much as I've been helped.
     
  73. JanetNJ

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    I would. :)
     
  74. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Allie, I agree bumping the dose up to 0.5u would be a good idea but do so when you can get one or two mid cycle tests in to see how Cloud is reacting to the new dose.

    I love that you'd like to help out. Even when you are relatively new to this dance, you can help a lot by welcoming new members and making them feel at home here. Often times just commiserating about the feelings that so often accompany the shock of the diagnosis and the overwhelming fear of dealing with it (testing. injecting etc.), helps immensely. Sometimes general emotional support is needed as much if not more than technical help in those early days. :)
     
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  75. trapnurse

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    I will do so this Monday then so I can get a full day of watching his numbers in and I'll get onto that! I just want to help as much as I've been helped, it's been a blessing to have people who know what to do and what I'm going through.
     
  76. Yong

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    This is how I got started with helping and still consider myself a less experienced member than the veterans. I mainly helped relate to newbies, general questions, little tricks I learned when getting Maury's routine down and moved now to where I am today :). I'm big on :bookworm::bookworm::bookworm: and have my own file of information compiled from what I've learned here. On Prozinc I am nicknamed "The Librarian" :joyful:. Was told the best way to give back was to help others like the help I am given :cat:
     
  77. trapnurse

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    I moved cloud to 0.5, I think. It's a 50 unit needle and it's REALLY hard to even see an space small between those lines. And it's possibly that I have been more so giving him 0.5? But I've been trying to be as accurate as possible. SO if I have been giving him 0.5 should I slide him up to that on my spread sheet. I gave him 1 u since I couldn't measure out between those two and I'll be testing him soon.
     

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  78. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I can see what you mean! I'm crossed eyed from looking at the picture! :woot: As long as you keep an eye on Cloud he'll be fine but going forward, it would be much easier for you to adjust doses with syringes with 1/2 unit markings on them. It's still a matter of eyeballing the quarter unit doses but still much easier than with a full unit syringe. They are readily available at any pharmacy although I know in some states you need a Rx to buy them. You can also order them online from ADW Diabetes. HERE are the ones I use. ADW has other brands like Monoject and Ulticare that some folks use.

    There are a couple of methods you could use to do doses less than 1u with your current syringes. Draw up coloured water in a used syringe and push out the coloured water until you think you are at 0.5u. Use that syringe as a comparison for drawing up the insulin. The other method is to draw up some water in a used syringe and slowly push out drops till the syringe is empty. Then when drawing up insulin for dosing, draw up to 1u and then let out a quarter (0.75u), half (0.5u) or 3/4 (0.25u)the number of drops you counted on the test syringe.

    Both of these will work to give you consistent doses although not totally accurate but then even with the half unit marked syringes, doses will be a drop or 2 different sometimes. Consistency is more important than being spot on accurate.

    I'll check back later to see how the cycle is going! :)
     
  79. trapnurse

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    He's getting those nice numbers now! He's about mid cycle I think it's looking pretty good!
     
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  80. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    LOVELY cycle! Yeah! Keep surfing Cloud!
     
  81. trapnurse

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    Pretty much mid cycle and he's at 137, Should I be watching for any surprises at this point?
     
  82. JanetNJ

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    Nope looks good. Will probably climb back up now. Good day.... Let's hope for a repeat.
     
  83. trapnurse

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    So in the case of tonight I won't be home due to work till 7 am. Should I give him the same 1 unit and food and roll with that?
     
  84. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Have you taken another test since +6? If so where was Cloud at and when was it taken? I'm thinking we need to see what Cloud's pre-shot is. It might be lower or higher tonight and right now that is anybody's guess. If memory serves it's only about 6:30 in your location and you usually shoot about 10:30? Is that right?
     
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  85. Yong

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    I won't be around for your PMPS but I like Linda's suggestion of knowing what his PS is before saying to stick with 1.0U :). Very nice blues today, Cloud :cool:
     
  86. trapnurse

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    Yes I give him his shot at 10:30. I was making dinnner / my breakfast for work and then took a shower and then I tested him! Still in the 100's! He's putting up with the pokes easier today. I did give him two crunchies treats for performing a trick he hadn't done in ages for me. But that'sa he has had between. I leave for work at 10:45 so I got 15 after to get ready.
    If his numbers are low. Like. Say low 200s to 190 or so, should I go 0.50 or stay the course and feed with shot?
     
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  87. trapnurse

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    He's at 175 and it's eating time for him so he's eating his wet food. But his shots in 30 min.
     
  88. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    At 175 I would NOT give him the same dose tonight. I'd suggest either half or skip. That pre-shot is much lower and you don't want to take a chance of too low a nadir.
     
  89. trapnurse

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    I think I'll have to skip the insulin dose tonight his level went up then down. It's a bit worrying he has food and hopefully he'll stay in the 300 or lower when I get home to test him.
    But I need those half mark syringes badly I'll just have to TRY to eyeball a 0.75 tomorrow
     
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  90. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Sounds like a plan. If you are unsure what you are dosing, I think trying to make sure you reduce enough might be dicey. Doubtful he'll go much lower without insulin. Leave him some food and he'll be fine. :D
     
  91. trapnurse

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    Do you think i should stick with 0.50 until I have paycheck next week to get the half marked syringes?
     
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  92. Kris & Teasel

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    Here's an idea if you want to try 0.75 u with the syringes you have: make up some coloured water and practice drawing into a syringe and eyeballing as close to 0.75 u as you can get it. Then, use this syringe as your "measuring stick" for all the other 0.75 u doses while you wait to get the new syringes.
     
  93. trapnurse

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    Ok, his numbers are acting kinda odd today. Good I guess since he's upholding 160s but he's oddly stable at that number and he had 0.5 of insulin this morning. I'm not to sure what to make of this given his pre shot as well. I work grave yard tonight then today days off but I think I'll need advise for this.... he's acting like he's wanting food / starving but I fed him his full can this morning and he ate it all. I'm concerned about what to do and if I should feed him early
     
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  94. JanetNJ

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    You can feed at any time as long as it's not within two hours before preshot testing.
     
  95. trapnurse

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    Thank you so much I always feel so bad not giving him something when he meow at me, I feel guilty like I'm starving him!
     
  96. Yong

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    They are very good at giving us guilt trips :smuggrin:. Just have to be strong 4 hours a day (2 hours before each PS:p)
     
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  97. trapnurse

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    Spread sheet was updated. Hopefully 0.75 will be the magic number! I can do this on my day off tomorrow~!
     
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  98. Kris & Teasel

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    Looking good! :)
     
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