Cat throwing up.

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  1. Delores7

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    I checked Caseys BG at 5 am and it was 12.7... I fed him then gave him his shot...30 minutes later he threw up his food so I gave him some more wet food.. He just threw up again tho not much vomit...I checked his bg it was at 5.8 ....from what I've just been reading this is in the normal range?...worried about the barfing.:arghh::bookworm::eek:
     
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    We need to nail down times here: was his shot given at/around 5:30 AM after a preshot BG number of 12.7? Did this recent BG test happen about 3.5 hours after his shot? Please post ASAP.

    BTW- that was really good PS and this recent BG is very good but it's early in the cycle. Remind me - Caninsulin? ProZinc?
     
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    I gave him his shot at 5 am... and I just took the 5.8 reading about 10 minutes ago. at 9 am..he is on Caninsulin
     
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    Since we are all in different time zones it is better to state readings as +2 or +3 or whatever number of hours after the shot. I believe you are at 9:30 AM right now . If that is correct then that reading would be +4.5 hours since the shot??? Is this right??
     
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    yes thats correct
     
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    Can you clarify times with +hours after shot we are at now? So we don't get confused with time zones, so if you gave shot at 05:00 your time (EST) then we're at +4.25 since 1.0U of Caninsulin administered on AMPS of 12.7
     
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    Oops, sorry Mary Ann for cross post ;)
     
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    OK. That's a +4 BG reading. He might or might not have a nadir around +4 to +6. Try feeding a VERY small amount of low carb food - maybe a tsp. I hope he keeps it down. Is he new to the food he's getting right now? Retest in 20 minutes after the food.
     
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    Thank you for the information.

    Since it is still the early part of the cycle and he may not have hot his nadir.. I would give a bit of MC food and test again in 20 minutes. That is a big drop. The number is still in the safish zone...I believe you are using the Alpha Trak meter??? but you don't want it to drop any more.
     
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    I gave him the shot almost 4.5 hrs ago.......he seems ok other than the twice barfing
     
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    ok I will give him a bit of food and chek his bg in 20 minutes... he seems ok ..alert etc.
     
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    To do list for later:
    1. Set up your signature (the grey text you see under our posts) by going to your name in the upper right of this page, clicking on signature and filling in the box that appears. Use one of ours as a guide. This is so we have key info right there to see.
    2. Set up your spreadsheet so we have ready reference to all your BG data when you ask for help. People here can do it for you if needed.
     
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    he has been eating this wet food for several days now
     
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    ok ty
     
  17. Kris & Teasel

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    Is he eating large amounts too quickly?
     
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    Kris if she is using the AT2 meter I would suggest MC at this time. If it is the human meter then the LC should be fine.

    We need to get some information in the signature later on, once this is dealt with :smuggrin:
     
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  19. Kris & Teasel

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    I think it's a human meter. There was discussion of meters a day or two ago.
     
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    OK Thanks Kris. I couldn't remember off hand and didn't scan through all the posts.

    ETA Too much information from too many different people and my brain scrambles it up :eek: A
     
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    Using the MediSure human meter....I initially gave him 1/2 6 oz can of food which he seems to eat at the same rate as my younnger cats.
     
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  22. Kris & Teasel

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    Friskies or other? A different flavour this AM? We might not know what caused the vomiting. Does he get hair balls?
     
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    Friskies...Sea captains choice which he normally likes. I havent seen him throw up a hairball but up to lately he was inside outside cat,tho mainly inside.
     
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    I hear that! :smuggrin:
     
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    Curious Delores, when was his last meal before the breakfast he threw up? Since he's still wanting to eat, I do slightly wonder if it was because of an empty tummy.
    I know we're still taking action with the 5.8 he gave you at the +4.25 mark and waiting that 20 minutes, which seems to go by very slowly in these situations :rolleyes:
     
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    his last meal before breakfast at 5 am was last night at 5 pm.
     
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    How often does he throw up? And has it been 20 minutes since the snack was given so we get another BG reading? :smuggrin:
     
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    Acid tummy from empty tummy is a possibility. Is Casey a "barfer" by nature?
     
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    I couldnt get him out from undert the bed...now it reads 4.1....should I give him syrup???
     
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    not sure what a 'normal' barfer is but he might barf food once a month.
     
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    So +5 is 4.1
    Can you get him to eat a little more wet food? Oh we'll definitely need to get your SS up so we can figure out his nadir :smuggrin:. I don't think syrup is needed yet. You could give MC food instead of LC if you're worried.
     
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    I was freaking out so I gave him a tblspoon of the dry. My brain is so not registering how to do the spreadsheet at the moment..okay NOT going to panic..im sure this will pass:confused::banghead: Should I recheck in another 20 minutes?
     
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    It's OK, Delores. You have help here. :) Yes, test again in 20 minutes. The dry might be a bit slower to kick in but it'll help. Just think of all the testing practice you're getting ... ;)
     
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    What kind of dry food? That will take about an hour to work. Don't panic with the spreadsheet right now. I know I gave you the links before on your other thread but you mentioned printing them. I can help you set that up after Casey is in the clear. Yes re-check in 20 minutes, try to give 1T of wet food though. :)
     
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    Okay I will give the wet food and thank you all so much I dont know how people functioned with their diabetic cats w/o this great site!
     
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  37. Kris & Teasel

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    Here's a summary so far. Can we bump this to top and keep it updated?
    • AMPS 12.7
    • fed
    • +30 min vomited up breakfast
    • fed more
    • vomited, but less
    • +4 BG 5.8
    • +5 BG 4.1
    • fed 1 tbsp dry food
     
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    This is how we functioned before finding this site

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    BUMP
     
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    YES!!!
     
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    you are probably hitting nadir right about now, so I wouldn't panic. The food you gave should do the trick. It's not in hypo numbers, it's ok. :) Next cycle reduce the dose a bit. PLEASE work on a spreadsheet though, because it will help us SO MUCH in giving dosing advice. what was his dose this morning?
     
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    Ergh I just stepped in his second barfing episode...:confused:I didnt see it cos didnt have glasses on and it blended with part of the carpet....so he didnt absorb much food apparently this morning poor guy:(
     
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    lmao... ick. (it's funny when it's not happening to you. ;) sorry he has an upset tummy though.
     
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    his am dose was 1IU
     
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    Can you get another test, Delores?
     
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    wow great! You might need to do just slightly under the 1 line for the next dose.
     
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    OH NO its now 3.5!!!
     
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    Ok, can you give him a little gravy and high carb (HC) food?
     
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    I just have high carb dry food and I just gave him more which he ate..Im watching him and keeping him out from under the bed this time
     
  50. Kris & Teasel

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    Don't panic. Give him a little high carb food that has gravy. Only a teaspoon or two. Test in 20 minutes. you'll get through this.
    Yong, I have to leave now. Are you around to help Delores get past nadir, etc.?
     
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    The other option is to put maybe 1/8 tsp maple syrup or honey into a little of his regular wet food.
     
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    This should be +5.5 test


    That is still a safe number on a human meter. The dry food can sometimes take longer to "kick in". A little gravy and a bit of HC should kick the numbers up a bit
     
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  53. Kris & Teasel

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    Going out now, folks. Will check in later.
     
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    I can hang around to get him past nadir, etc :).
     
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    Thank you so much,...I just gave him some wet food with syrup.Will test again in 20
     
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    Anyone chiming in: Human meter
    AMPS 12.7 fed and given 1.0U Caninsulin
    • +0.5 Vomit breakfast
    • fed more
    • Vomited some
    • +4.25 BG 5.8
    • +4.83 BG 4.1, fed 1T dry food
    • +5.33 vomit some
    • +5.67 BG 3.5, fed more dry food and little wet food with syrup
    • +6 next test
     
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    ok he ate the syrup in the wet food 20 minutes ago and now he is at8.9 I am working on the SS while t:bookworm:his is happening...
     
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    Ok it's a combination of quick acting syrup and the dry food is probably starting to kick in. Hold off on more food, and retest in about 20 minutes. Hopefully we're getting past nadir and he'll rise on his own. You're doing great, Delores :bighug:
     
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    Omg...thank you SOOO much for helping us thru this Yong...cat_wings>o
     
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    Just saw this! An Eek moment! You are doing everything right. And lots of folk here with you. I know how gut churning this is but he will be fine and the dry food will stay in his system longer and hold him up a bit. x
     
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    Talk about a diabetic crash course when your cat is 1st diagnosed! What an emotional rollercoaster! Thank God for you all or I would feel like a bottle of vodka...:nailbiting::bighug:
     
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    You're welcome :). Time for another test ;)
     
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  63. JanetNJ

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    3.5 is still in the low end of normal and you should be at its lowest now. Don't over correct. We want him surfing in these healing numbers without going lower.
     
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    thanks for the reminder!its now 9.2
     
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    I felt like this guy the whole time! Never mind vodka, whiskey and Valium for the win! ;);) My whole introduction to insulin started with a hypo!

    Just replace everything Christmassy with hypo, insulin, bg, testing and all that goes with it. Lol
     
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  66. Delores7

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    You nailed it!:blackeye::confused::D
     
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  67. JanetNJ

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    Don't give any more food.... It went a little bit higher then you needed.
     
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    Update:
    AMPS 12.7 fed and given 1.0U Caninsulin
    • +0.5 Vomit breakfast
    • fed more
    • Vomited some
    • +4.25 BG 5.8
    • +4.83 BG 4.1, fed 1T dry food
    • +5.33 vomit some
    • +5.67 BG 3.5, fed more dry food and little wet food with syrup
    • +6 BG 8.9, no additional food
    • +6.33 BG 9.2, no additional food
    No more food needed now, Delores. He's rising on his own :). Like I said it's probably the dry food kicking in now. Do one more test in 20 minutes with no more food given and if he's still rising or holding, you can retest in an hour :cat:
     
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    OK Janet!
     
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    Ok once again ty all for your help here I will recheck in one hour... you all are better therapy than valium!:cat:
     
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    We'll still need to see one more test 20 minutes from the last to make sure he is still rising on his own. 3 test of rising numbers without food given, then you can wait an hour :). I think he'll be OK since the dry food is working so if you guys need a break, I'll check on you in 45 minutes at +7.75 (12:45 EST)
     
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    OK YONG!
     
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    Ok he is up to 23 now
     
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    OMG!
    I read everything.
    My take on this is that the situation wasn't as dangerous as it first appeared because we are talking about quite small doses of insulin. At first I was worried that Delores gave a much bigger dose by mistake. Mind you 1 unit on BG 12.7 might have been just a little too much. If Casey was throwing up that much it would explain a steep drop.
    Delores, breath and stay calm, you handled it really well.
    Sending hugs
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    Ok, it is a bounce and also due to a lot of food.
    I think you can relax now Delores.
     
  76. Yong

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    Yeah that's probably due to dry food, sending him into a bounce. Be sure to post his PMPS here before giving insulin and before feeding :)
     
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    I WILL! Big hugs to you all!:bighug:
     
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    Oh looks like someone got your Spreadsheet for you :). Those numbers need to be entered in the World mmol/L tab though :) and Casey SS text can't be in the link itself. Link should start with https ;)
     
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    Yeh I did that and used the wrong sheet.I have since redone it to World/mmol!

    I just took his BG and it reads 26.7. I am assuming that its the dry carbo food I gave him before it was suggested to mix a small amount of syrup into his regular wet food which he did eat.
    You will see I kept his evening dose at 1U, my reasoning being that this am he threw up the wet food twice before it had a chance to be digested.I am hoping this was a rational choice; if you all dont think so please let me know and I can adjust it accordingly. Cant thank you all enough for helping me n Casey out with this :bighug: ; he is being a trooper with all the ear poking he's gotten today tho I AM h:cat:appy to say he is adjusting to it better than I am:cat:
     
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    I would say that's the case, it can take a while for dry food to clear. :)

    I can't read your SS for some reason :confused: probably just me as others can see it.

    You seem to be doing just fine!!
     
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    Correct, it was probably the dry food and he was probably going to bounce after the lower numbers today. The syrup should only last about 20-30 minutes, hence why we say to retest in 20 minute increments when using syrup.

    Sometimes kitty's can be a little more insulin sensitive and it's why I suggested posting your PMPS here before feeding and insulin. Was thinking you may have wanted to do a slightly reduced dose after today's excitement :oops:.

    Also, I can't see your SS anymore :confused:
     
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    Ok I will try posting the SS again....and trying a .75 dose in the am after testing.
     
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    I can't see it either. says the file doesn't exist. She may have to fix the url link
     
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    I know you've done a lot of testing today but make sure to get a reading no later than +3 tonight so we can see where he's going on 1.0U again :). Hopefully, you won't have to have a PJ party tonight :smuggrin:
     
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    OK YAY its showing up now hopefully I entered info correctly....:bookworm:
     
  86. JanetNJ

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    got it.... add those figures into the "world" tab though.... since they are not US numbers. :)
     
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    OMG NO Diabetic cat pj parties hopefully... i will def check him at +3 hrs.I think Casey and I are both beyond tired now...but I can see our routine happening and that's a good thing!:p
     
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    ergh I thot for certain this time I put them into the World Tab...ok try try again.....:confused::cat:
     
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    Ok I can see SS again :) but all the numbers are on the US tab :smuggrin:. They need to be on World tab ;) and should automatically convert.
     
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    Ok I promise I am clicking the World Tab link...could I maybe need to delete the US SS I used originally since it keeps coming up US?
     
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    Delores

    You did a great job today!!! [​IMG]

    Good work getting your spreadsheet up. Leave the US sheet so that people in the US can understand the numbers....since the US glucose readings are different than our Canadian readings. One other thing you could do is to add Caninsulin to your signature so that anyone reading it will know what type of insulin you are using and won't have to ask. Casey is doing very well on the lower dose of insulin.

    Your Casey reminds me so much of my Tuxie who passed away a couple of months ago. Beautiful boy!!! [​IMG]
     
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    don't get rid of the tab, just delete the info in there... then go to the world tab and re type it in there.
     
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    No don't delete it but we'll have to figure out why they're not staying on your World tab and converting on the US one :bookworm:
     
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    Try deleting all the values on the US table and enter them on the world tab.
     
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    I did that and it keeps showing the US again...ergh!
     
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    Ok think I figured it out...when you go to look at the SS in World mmol...you have to click that box to see the info it allows u to see the numbers in US or World! this worked for me this time!
     
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    Looks like it's working now :)
     
  98. Kris & Teasel

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    The data shows correctly when I view the world sheet. However, the numbers are still on the US sheet in lime green.
     
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    Its working now...you just click the world tab next to the US tab..this way you get BOTH views of the numbers!
     
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    Ok I will update his BG at 8 pm...my head is still spinning from doing something wrong with the SS...:confused:Thanks for bearing with me on this I thot I was losing it this time!
     
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