Chuck's bouncy journey, part 12.

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+10.5 273
AMPS (+10.5): 273
Fed 4.5oz super supper.
Gave skinny 5 units.
.75oz pate snack at +2.

DH decided he couldn't wait til +12. We won't be home at PMPS if we waited. (Didn't realize that this afternoon) This way we can check +1 at least after his afternoon shot.
DH will monitor closely.

+1 374 DH testing in 30 minutes to make sure he's not dropping too fast.

 

+1.5 296
+3 225
+4 214

 

BTW, Steph, I like that you're able to help others with microdosing (eg. Sherrie's Skittles) because I wouldn't know what to say.

 

Looking good! Steph, you're certainly a pro at this now!

 

I get very nervous about it. I don't want them to think I'm telling them what to do it that they need to take our advice. I don't want to see anyone's baby hurt by any of my ideas or thoughts.

+9.5 212

 

I certainly understand that feeling of responsibility. Some people avoid giving dose advice completely. I try to give my best shot and almost always include the words "I suggest" or "I recommend". When needed I also add that they need to do what they're comfortable with.

 

I have been helping Phyllus too and for some reason thought she was using a u40 insulin and she was using u100. Ugh. Glad she knew it. I'll never be that careless again. I edited my post about the conversion chart for anyone watching in the background. I'm off to get ready for our outing tonight. Might be home early if Chuck's numbers are lower. I can watch football from my own couch in my PJs!!!

 

One thing I always liked was when Sue would say "if he was mine, I would". That's a nice way of saying it I always thought and made me feel more comfortable because surely no one would suggest something dangerous for their own kitty!

 

+9.5 214
+12 520 second reading 431
PMPS: 431
Fed 4.5 oz chicken pate
Gave 5.5 units
.8oz pate snack at +3

+2 432 (snuck (or is it sneaked? haha) home to get a reading)

 

What a well cared for cat.

 

+4 313
+6 235
Came home to test I was nervous about the dose.
He's still sleeping A LOT. Not sure why he's sleeping so much but it's starting to worry me. I might be worrying for no reason but anyone else have this happen? Could the insulin be making him feel yucky or sleepy? He's not throwing up or anything. Maybe I'm just use to him chasing me around yelling at me because he's hungry. I think his appetite is getting more normal. IDK my thoughts are racing tonight.

 

+8 173 1T YA snack.

NEGATIVE for ketones.

 

+10 190

 

PMPS (+11.5): 239
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate
Gave 4.6 units
.9oz pate snack at +2.
Will monitor.

 

+1 331 1 tsp YA
+2 281 .9oz snack
1tsp YA at +3 trying to get him use to it.

 

Many nicer PSs these days, Steph!

 

His numbers are very nice. I have no brilliant ideas about him sleeping more.....maybe he is more relaxed? Now that he is out of the persistent reds....

 

Mine sleep a lot and get more active around meal times. Maybe, as you say, his appetite is normalizing.

 

+7.5 271
PMPS: (+12): 471
Fed 4.5oz super super
Gave 5.4 units.
.85 oz pate snack at +2.5
+1 591
+2 375
+4 365 .2micro
+5 355
+6.25 272

Do not copy my dosing.

 

+7 297
+10 292
AMPS (+11): 280
Fed 4.5oz chicken & tuna pate
Gave 4.8 units.
.85oz pate snack at +1.5
1T YA snack at +4

+1 395

 

+2 412

 

Mine tend to sleep a lot these days. As they get older, I think they just sleep more maybe.

 

+2.75 306
+8.5 267
PMPS: 347
Fed 4.5oz chicken & tuna
Gave 5.4 units
.85oz pate snack at +3
+1 483
+ 3 286
+5 251 1/8c stella & chewy's with 1/8th cup water
+7 207

 

+9 272
+11 292
AMPS: 299
Fed 5.4oz chicken & tuna pate
Gave 5.4 units
.85oz pate snack at +3
+1 446

 

+2 422
+7 311
PMPS: 282
Fed 4.5oz
Gave 5.4 units
.75oz pate at +3 & +5
+1 352
+2.5 324
+4 284
+7 270
1/8th cup stella & chewy's snack
+9335
+10 350
AMPS (+11): 326
Fed 4.5oz food .8oz pate snack at +2
Gave 5.5 units
+1 386
+2 335
+3 311
+4 344
+6 284
+13 227

 

PMPS (+13): 227
Fed 4.5oz .8 pate snack at +2.5
Gave 5.4 units
+1 396
+2 386
+4 320
+6.25 346
I think it's time for a dose increase. Not very happy that it's taking so long to start dropping his numbers. I think I might try his flank again. No idea why all of a sudden he's staying "high and flat"... Bummed out.

 

How old is your ProZinc, Steph?

 

I opened it 1/13/17.

 

Should still be OK then. Just an idea. Looks like a dose increase is the way to go.

 

+8.5 357
+10 324
+11 311
270/295 after 20 minute stall.
AMPS 295
Fed 4.5 oz chicken & tuna pate.
Gave 5.6 units in right flank.
.9oz pate snack at +2.25
Will monitor.

 

Grr I dropped the vial of ProZinc. It bounced off the chair onto the hardwood floor and rolled about 2 feet. Hopefully it doesn't kill the whole vial.
+1 348

 

+2 237 eating his snack now.

 

+2.75 176 gave him his pumpkin and spoon of food.

 

+3.25 126 gave spoon of HC wet food and a tsp YA.

Figures this happens when I need to get sleep. Any other night this week I could stay up all morning... Ugh what was I thinking... Didn't expect a dose increase of 0.2 units to drop him this much so quick. I think the flank shot definitely has something to do with it too. Testing again in 20 minutes.

 

+3.75 108 testing again in 15 minutes to see if YA will effect it...

 

+4 103

 

+4.25 103

 

He is so silly. He have a litter box in our bedroom that rarely ever gets used... Was up there so there were no accidents on the floor with our old cat Bubba. He had CHF and in the end he developed kidney failure so he needed a box close by. Anyways, we left it there just in case the other two got locked in our room... He just went all the way up to our room to use that box!

 

+4.75 91 small spoon of HC wet food
+5 96 bite of friskies. Trying to get him surfing or slightly going up so I can get some sleep. A bit selfish of me but I have a long night tonight.

 

Not selfish, Steph. We beans have to look after ourselves too. Unfortunately kitties seem to get up to their tricks when we're least able to cope.

Thoughts:

• he's had some very good PSs and lower numbers recently so he might be more insulin sensitive than when he was living up in black and red so long
• the flank might well give better absorption
• some people wrap the vial in cushioning material (bubble wrap with the small bubbles?) in case of accidents like yours - cross fingers the insulin is still good. Numbers going forward should tell you.

 

+5.6 116

 

If there's anyone who knows how to steer with food, it's you!

 

Unfortunately I have more experience than I think I should with steering.

+6 128 and I'm calling it... I know it's within the 20% but it's +6 and he should surf or go up from here. I'll check him again in 2 hours. There's a little YA out for him if he wants it. I put it where he use to dig for stray dog food pieces. I'm sure he'll sniff it out. He's still begging for food... Which is normal.

 

+7 206! I was worried because he's raising h*ll with Kitty running all through the house... Gotta keep Mom awake!! Figured extra exercise might drop him lower... Hah! Didn't need that last snack I guess.

 

Data ... raising hell running around is good though. (except for you trying to sleep)

 

Chuck is never dull. I am with Kris. Now that he is in lower ranges, maybe tiny increases are wise and making one change at a time. Nice problem to have but nerve wracking for you. You do the increase when you can monitor, which is a perfect way to keep him safe.

So encouraging after those weeks in reds, Steph. It is amazing how you have learned the steps to this sugar dance. I figure you and Chuck jitter bugging around the room.

 

PMPS: "HI" UGH! Probably a bounce or too much steering..
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate.
Gave 5.8 units R flank.
.9oz snack at +2
Will monitor.

 

Ahhh Chuck likes to keep things interesting! Yeah it looks like very small increases are best for him.

 

+1.25 HI
+2.75 480
He's stretched out on the table. Not feeling well. I'm sure it's from the high BG.

 

Poor thing! Probably is from the higher numbers, but hopefully he'll feel better soon.

 

+4 343
Waiting for urine sample. Plastic wrap is on the litter.

 

+5 1/16 cup Stella & Chewy's with 1/4 pepcid and extra water... Puked a little before his snack. Looked like mostly water so I added the pepcid.
+6 294

 

+8 305
NEGATIVE KETONES

 

+10 466
AMPS (+11): 465
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate
Gave 5.6 units
.9oz snack at +2.25
+1.25 438

 

+2.5 387

 

Focus on "negative ketones".

 

+4 323
PMPS (+13): HI
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate
Gave 6 units R Flank
+1 HI
+3.5 516 1/16th cup stella and chewy's with extra water.

Hopefully this isn't a sign the insulin is damaged/no good. He usually drops quicker than this. Will try to test for ketones.

 

+5 439
+6 388

 

+8 362 1/16 cup stella & chewy's with extra water.
+10 339
AMPS (+11): 317
Fed 4.5oz chicken pate
Gave 5.4 units R flank
.8oz pate snack at +2.25

 

+1.5 330!
.75oz pate snack
I'm afraid he's diving too quick again but it's a lowered dose. One that he did just fine on before. Maybe the shot an hour early is making him not go up from his meal.

 

+2 296
.8 oz pate snack

 

+3 200 Spoon of friskies

 

+3.5 160 small spoon of friskies

 

Steph, Chuck's spreadsheet makes my head spin.

 

Mine too! We were kinda doing good for a couple days... Hoping to get back there. And get closer to regulation. We started shooting in the flank for quicker absorption since he seemed to be having a late onset.

 

+4 128

 

Trying very hard not to over react. Keep looking for similar doses and trends to see how much more he might drop. I'd be happy with a surf from now on. I'm sure he'll bounce again. I'm exhausted. I need a solid 8 hours of sleep or more!! DH is going to be on duty this evening.

 

You're doing great Steph! How's Chuck?

 

+4.5 108 gave tiny bit of friskies. Testing again in ten minutes.

 

+5 88
I'm going to give a tiny bit of friskies again.

 

Surf safe Chuck!!!

 

+5.25 77 tiny bit of friskies, size of two peas.

 

+5.5 74

 

OMG! Too much excitement, Steph. He's obviously more insulin sensitive now and the flank injection might be affecting absorption. You should be getter to nadir range soon.

 

Hope so! I just hope it's not all getting used up at once. Wondered if that's why he's been HI for pmps. Maybe I'll have to do half in flank and half in scruff! Haha I really hope not but I'll do whatever it takes to get him better!

 

I don't think that more rapid absorption should necessarily affect a dose's duration. Who knows with Chuck, though?! He's a special kitty for sure.

 

+6 99 think he's on his way up. Hope it's a slow climb.

Yeah never can tell with him!

 

+6.25 102

 

Whew!

 

1st picture: So sleepy...
2nd picture: JUST KIDDING!
Little turd! Don't mind the mess on my table!

 

I told him it was the last poke for this morning... He was falling asleep so I took his picture then started petting him. He decided it was time to play! He's full of it when his BG is good!

 

Oh Chuck!!! He just loves to keep you on your toes!

 

+10.25 453
PMPS (+13): 465
Fed 4.5 oz chicken & tuna pate
Gave 5.5 units R flank. Needle bent when DH gave shot and Chuck tried biting me. Was really only trying to get free but my hand ended up in his mouth. Lucky for me he realized it was a no no and didn't chomp down.

 

+1 "HI"
+3 495 .8oz pate snack.

 

+4 366
+6 308
+8 296

 

AMPS (+11): 402
Fed 4.5oz chicken & tuna pate
Gave fat 5.4 units R flank- he hates it there.
.85oz pate snack at +2.5

 

+1 539

 

Are you convinced that the flank gives better response, Steph? If it's not clearly better and he hates it, why not go back to scruff?

 

Just got home and checked... +11.5 is 184!!

 

I think it does but I was talking with DH. I wondered if we tried the back end of his scruff, towards his butt off that would work. I saw a pic showing injection sites all along the back two inches down from the spine. Anyone know if that works?
He also has developed a sight limp on his front left leg... Doesn't limp much just after jumping. Going to start the glucosamine/chondroitin tonight.

 

Try that rear scruff area to see if he tolerates it.

 

I shoot Colin on either side of his shoulder area as well as the flanks. He used to hate the flanks, so I quit for awhile then when I went back to it he's ok with it now. Maybe start desensitizing the flanks by rubbing, pinching the flank area, then giving a treat.

 

PMPS: 255

Dose suggestions?

 

I was thinking 4.8 ish but idk. That's a big jump from 184-255... Wonder if he found something to eat... He's stressed/annoyed by his itchy ears. I'm treating his ears for infection and the medicine irritates them for about 30 minutes. Then he calms down and stops trying to rip them off his head.

 

Going by AM of 02/06 and 02/07 maybe something in the 4.6 to 5.0 range?

 

PMPS 255
Fed 4.5 oz super supper
Gave 4.8 units back end of scruff. He panicked a little when I grabbed his scruff but I pointed out the food he left behind and he went back to eating and didn't seem to feel the poke. We will see how it absorbs.
(haha hope you don't mind my autocorrect mistakes)

 

+.5 397
+1.5 335 .35oz pate at +2.5
+5 304 .35oz pate at +5.5
+8 313
Looks like he could have handled 5units. But I'm sure if he got 5units he would have kept me running! Or maybe it's the beginning of a bounce? I have no idea how low he went to only be 185 at +11.5. I'm going to try to feed and shoot him an hour early. I have to leave tomorrow after his PM shot and I'd like to be able to get a +2 reading in before I go.

 

+11 338
PMPS (+11): 338
Fed 4.5oz super supper pate. .4oz pate snack at +2.5 and +5
Gave 5.2 units in rear scruff. Abbreviated to R Sc on my ss.
Paws crossed for no nose dive.

+1 384

 

+2 266 gave 1oz pate and .2oz pumpkin.

 

+3 192 gave about 10 pieces of HC dry kibble. Checking again in 5 minutes.

I understand HC food is not necessary at this point but I needed to get him to stop dropping so fast quicker than I usually do. I have to get some sleep. It sounds very selfish to me but I'll be taking care of small children and can not do it on zero sleep!