Civvie Question About Lower Lip Pictures

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  1. tiffmaxee

    tiffmaxee Well-Known Member

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    Hi All,

    Every time I think I’ve seen it all a new thing happens. My girls are about 16 months now. In October Mocha’s lower lip became red. It lasted about a couple weeks and steadily became just about normal. Then it changed again a few weeks ago. It doesn’t seem to bother her. I searched Dr. Google and might have found the problem but sure hope it’s something not so potentially chronic. Anyone had experience with Eosinophilia Granuloma or know what is going on here? I have an appointment with her vet for Tuesday. It seems to be getting smaller again. Thanks for any info. B88A3D95-652C-4E1A-B29A-CB746E052A48.jpeg 65995341-FADB-4D4C-A600-119D88794E51.jpeg FE9CC4C7-AD02-4E42-B486-793DEDB2CC23.jpeg 84EC0548-1A5F-4575-90EF-23DB07DAE1E9.jpeg
     
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    Lots of experience with eosinophilic granuloma here! Teasel's sister is very prone. She had many scary looking lesions on her lips and face when she was younger - much less so now (she's 7 years old). Some looked like awful red rodent ulcers and some showed as facial swellings under the skin anywhere on her face. They'd morph into ugly crusty areas that lost most of the hair and then would heal over leaving not a trace behind. They rarely bothered her and would run their course over a couple of weeks. She also got - and still gets - painless bumps down the back of each thigh off and on.

    In the early days I'd take her to the vet and she'd be given antihistamines and even oral steroid (once only!). They seemed to be allergy related and she was switched to Royal Canin prescription hypoallergenic canned food. She does well on it and seems to have outgrown the worst manifestations. After a few of those vet trips to get the lesions assessed I learned to watch and wait myself. They resolve with no treatment so I don't fret about them anymore.
     
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    Thanks. Does this look like it to you? I’ve got her on raw and hate the thought of switching to hypoallergenic.
     
  5. Kris & Teasel

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    Yes, it looks like one of my kitty's mild episodes. It's good to have your vet assess it.
     
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    I have an appointment for Tuesday. Thanks.
     
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    @Kris & Teasel , my vet does think it’s allergy. It was almost gone and when he looked under the microscope he only saw normal cells. He asked if she had plastic dishes. She doesn’t. I had a thought that it might be the Ripple rug since it’s made of recycled plastic bottles so I packed it away for awhile to see. If it comes back next step is to narrow done which protein might be the cause. He said she’s young to have this type of food allergy.
     
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    Hamilton is allergic to plastic and is prone to the same reaction. It's shocking how much plastic is running around our home! We found out he was rubbing his chin on the bottom of the utility sink in the laundry room. Who would've thought...
     
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    Teasel's sister started before she was a year old so I think ECID.
     
  10. tiffmaxee

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    Were you varying the protein when the issue started?
     
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    Thanks for telling me that. It will be interesting to see if the Ripple rug is the cause.
     
  12. Kris & Teasel

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    I honestly don’t recall what I was feeding then but as soon as the vet suggested a likely food allergy I put her on the recommended hypoallergenic diet and it helped a lot. I think the RC Hypoallergenic is duck based. She’s been eating it for years now. Her episodes are rare now that she’s older. I don’t have any experience with allergy testing or feeding raw food.
     
  13. tiffmaxee

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    My vet is an internist. He said allergy testing is expensive and not reliable.
     
  14. Elizabeth B

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    I agree with that. I actually consult for Vets on the business side and try to avoid sharing that info as it doesn’t make me a medical expert. However, it does give me a nationwide window into insight and medical databases. Allergy testing is still in development and unreliable. My clients would tell you the following;

    1) ECID
    2) patience. Change one thing at a time.
    3) find a vet that will truly partner with what they know and what you see.
    4) observation is your best friend. Track exposure, track behavior, and bring that to your vet.
     
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    I’ve been going to my vet for 20+ years. He let me deal with Max and his diabetes. He showed his vet students this site. When the time comes for him to retire it’s going to be hard to find a vet that doesn’t get upset when I mention things I’ve read on the Internet. He welcomes that I read and learn. I once kiddingly said I should have become a tech. He replied, “No, a vet. He truly is a partner. I asked about vaccines. He said he usually gives kitten shots, a booster a year later and then every three years until 10. He was fine with skipping the one year booster and giving a three year instead.

    So I removed the ripple rug first. Her lip is almost fine right now. He didn’t see anything but normal cells under the microscope. If it returns I’ll try one protein at a time to see if I can find the culprit if it’s food.
     
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  16. Elizabeth B

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    This makes my heart smile.
     
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  17. StephG

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    Your vet sounds just like mine. I was lucky to find her and even luckier that she's not retiring anytime soon.
     
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    Since plastic could be a cause I decided to remove the Ripple Rug which is made out of recycled plastic. Right now she’s back to normal. If it returns I’ll try to figure which protein is causing it. The fact it’s been in the same place each time makes me think it’s something she’s rubbing against. To be continued.
     
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