Completely flat curve (low 100s) after LC wet food change???

Discussion in 'Prozinc / PZI' started by Harukyo, Jun 14, 2019.

  1. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Hello again everyone!

    I'm back and wondering what's going on with Kyo's levels. We switch to LC wet food 2 days ago 6/2/19 and Kyos levels have been coming down quite a bit to the point where I had to skip a shot that night. I was recommended to drop the dose by .25 units to try and get two shots in per day, however I did a complete curve yesterday and his numbers remained in the low blue range. Lowest being 110 @ +6 after PMPS. I got some rest, woke up this morning and tested at our usual time and his levels read 113. Okay, so that's definitely a no shoot number for us. I went ahead and gave her her food (she was pretty hungry) and now I'm trying to figure out my next steps. Reduce the dose by another .25u? (kyo would then receive 1u) Only shoot if she goes back into our shoot range? (I believe that number is 150 and above).

    Her completely flat curve has me scratching my head...I expected maybe a bounce but not completely flat...what the heck cat?? :facepalm::rolleyes:
     
  2. Idjit's mom

    Idjit's mom Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Apr 3, 2018
  3. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2015
    Hi Harukyo - the flat curve, in relatively healthy numbers, means that Kyo is getting a dose that is good for her right now. It's nothing to worry about. I would be curious how she would have done with a small dose today. She might have just kept running nice and flat. I wouldn't try it if you were going to be out of the house, but I think you might consider trying a small dose if she does this again (and if you'll be around to monitor), and see how she does with it. For now though, I'd say see what her PS is tonight. If it's still blue, but in the mid-range, then try 1u. If she's back to yellow, I'd stay with 1.25u. It didn't really look like too much insulin for her.
     
  4. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Sounds good! I really wanted to get a third cycle with the 1.25 but I don't have enough data as to how her body processes the insulin at those low numbers. In another thread I made on the main forum, someone said that I might not be able to shoot low numbers on ProZinc so I was just being extra cautious skipping this morning and posted here in the ProZinc forum. I imagine she will read mid 100s to low 200s tonight because of the skip, but in the event she doesn't and the PMPS reads low 110s or when this happens again in the future, instead of skipping I should lower the dose by .25 and see how she responds? I hope I'm understanding that correctly. I really appreciate the input! @Djamila and thanks for the bump! @Idjit's mom
     
  5. Jenna Josie

    Jenna Josie Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2018
    I think Bron may have explained this the other night, but another thing you can/should do (assuming you don’t have to run out of the house for work or something) is to stall *without* feeding for 20-30 minutes and then retest to see if the BG is coming up. If it is, that can give you assurance that the previous dose is wearing off, and it’s okay to shoot. (Whether the full dose or not depends on what the numbers are, of course.). ProZinc allows for up to one hour leeway in shot times, so stalling can be a good tactic if you get a lower than comfortable preshot number again.

    As for deciding by how much to lower the dose (if that’s what you would decide to do in any given situation), I think it’s sometimes better to think about it as a percentage of the “usual” dose, and in the context of whatever the preshot number is, than as a fixed .25 unit reduction. It’s true we increase in those increments, but reductions on a low preshot are, unfortunately, sometimes more nuanced situations. :rolleyes:
     
  6. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    @Jenna Josie Darn, I see. I'm always hoping theres a straight forward method, but I need to get a grip on how thats not always the case. I'll update with what our PMPS levels are and what I've decided to do from there. We quit DM dry cold turkey (Kyo didn't have any problem with that, she like the wet food luckily!) and so I wasn't wanting to do any insulin adjustments, but that 1.25u seemed to be doing good for her. I get very nervous about the lower levels even though thats what I'm trying to work towards in the first place! :facepalm: I'll try to stop being a worry wart and stick with the dosing.
     
  7. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2015
    Just to clarify, I don't think you should have stuck with the full dose. At least not right now. I would suggest trying a reduced dose, collecting data, and seeing what happens. Then you can use that to decide next time. It may turn out that Kyo can take the full dose on lower numbers, but she hasn't been diabetic for very long, so more likely she would need less than the full dose, but more than zero. How's that for specific? ;)
     
  8. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Haha thank you! That definitely clears up some of the foggy details that I didn't even know I needed! PMPS tonight read 326mg/dL, woah! Will be doing the 1.25u and trying to stick with it!


    Edit: Sticking with it as in trying to get in two shots per day I meant, not the specific dose.
     
    Last edited: Jun 14, 2019
    Djamila likes this.
  9. Jenna Josie

    Jenna Josie Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2018
    Yes, we are in vigorous agreement, Djamila! ;) Lowering by .25 from 1.25 is very different from lowering .25 from, say, 2 units. It’s not the .25 that’s magical in and of itself but rather the .25 in relation to the “normal” dose and in the context of the PS.

    Sorry if I confused things. (Really, FD is confusing enough on its own, lol!)
     
    Djamila and Harukyo like this.
  10. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Also wanted to mention my game plan after getting so much awesome advice and help. So:

    Shes high now (326 PMPS) because I skipped the shot in the AM. I gave her 1.25u tonight and ill be testing to make sure shes goes back to her regular levels (around the flat mid to low 100s). After that if she ever reads low 100s PS, ill stall and see which direction its heading in and if shes still low ill shoot 1u and try that for a few cycles. If shes more mid 100s to low 200s, ill keep the 1.25 dose going until we reach the low 100s again.

    I'm on summer break from college right now so I have all the time in the world to do any mid testing or overnight testing (woo!). I can't believe I went so long without home testing, I'm so glad I have you guys and the forum to keep me knowledgeable and in control!
     
    Djamila likes this.
  11. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    @Jenna Josie No actually, that makes a lot of sense! I've been reading over that statement for a little bit and it finally clicked in my head when I came back and read it again.
     
  12. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Oookay, I didn't expect a drop this big. Shes at 57mg/dL @ +3 which looks to be about peak for her nadir. Should I begin curbing with some more of her wet food *I also have the gravy lovers FF now and temptations treats that she use to love in my hypo kit. I will be testing again at +4 and definitely +5 to watch wheres shes going. I just didn't expect her to go from 326 all the way to 57 in 3 hours.
     
  13. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Until someone else responds I don't think I'll give her anything yet and test again at +4 to make sure shes not getting to hypo levels. @Bron and Sheba
     
  14. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I would give her a tablespoon of her normal food now and test at +4
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  15. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Thanks @Bron and Sheba :D will do and update at +4. Why do you think there was a such a big drop?
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  16. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Hard to say. Getting rid of the dry makes a difference. Cycles are often different to each other but that is a big drop so you need to keep testing and don’t be complacent. Make sure you have some high carb and honey or karo there if needed. We don’t want her dropping too much further.
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  17. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Gotcha. I got the Karo syrup and various types of high carb foods ready if needed. She didn't eat her full tablespoon of wet food unfortunately.
     
  18. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    43 @+4
     
  19. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    No physical signs yet, but she definitely smelled the temptations treat bag opening and shes looking for it lol
     
  20. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Open some high carb food and give her a teaspoon of it with a small drop of honey in it now. Then tell me when you have done that
     
  21. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Okay done.
     
  22. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Good. Did she eat it all?
    Test again in 20 minutes from when you gave the food and post it and I will be watching.
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  23. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    She did and now shes working on the rest of the tablespoon of her wet food. Got a timer set for 20 min from now
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  24. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    See you in about 15/20 then:)
     
  25. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    ~20 minutes after feeding @ 50
     
  26. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Ok that’s good. I would give her another teaspoon of the high carb as we are still early in the cycle. Leave the honey out this time and test again in 1/2 hour. I’ll watch for you.
    Let me know when she’s eaten it please:)
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  27. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Okie dokie she just finished eating some more FF gravy lovers without the Karo. Will update in another 30 minutes! Thank you for standing by me Bron, you have been my rock throughout this process. :bookworm:
     
  28. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I’m glad she ate. We don’t want to give her too much in case we want to get her to eat more later.
    Very happy to help. I know how scary it is the first few times.
    But we should never get complacent with low numbers no matter what because they can be deadly if they drop too low. That’s why testing is so good. You can be in control.
    You are doing a great job with her
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  29. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    44 @ +5

    Edit: Oops accidentally said +4
     
  30. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Another teaspoon of high carb food and drop of karo syrup?
     
  31. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Yes
     
  32. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    And test in 20 min
     
  33. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Will do! Will be reporting back soon.
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  34. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    I had the hardest time getting an ear to bleed omg. 47 @ around +6
     
  35. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Give another teaspoon of high carb and put double of the karo in it than last time. Test again 20 mins
     
  36. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Gotcha. Another update in 20 min coming your way. Kyos body being a stubborn one today it seems :banghead:
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  37. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Are you warming the ear first with a bit of rice in the toe of a sock? Just make sure the rice is warm not hot ( microwave)
     
  38. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    No, I'll try that for this test. I think it was because I tried poking her while she was trying to nap against the wall upside down lol. I apologized to her as I had to pick her up and bring her to a better light source.
     
  39. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    68 @ 30 min into +6!
     
  40. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    That’s +6.5 68
    Great! Let’s test again in 30 minutes. She may have reached nadir OR it might just be the hc and karo talking. Are you OK with that? Don’t feed her any more just yet.
    Good girl Kyo and well done mamabean!
     
  41. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    oh okay cool! I'll note it as such from now on. I'll hold off on the feeding and test again in 30 minutes. Ugh that was a rough one. I mean we're still not completely out of the woods yet, but we can see the light! And thank you :arghh: I held it together as best as I could. But also now WHAT the HECK. HAPPENED. What did I do to cause this craziness?! First her levels are great and flat and then I skip the morning shot and she goes up to 326 and then THIS?! Should I be starting over at 1u??
     
  42. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Can you write in the remarks column when you fed all the food eg + 4 fed hc and karo. It is helpful for us and great for you to look back on.
    You held it together very well. The first time I got a very low dropping number with Sheba, which was just not responding to food, and it was pre forum days, so I was on my own.... it was 2 am and I had the whole house awake ( my daughter to move her car out of the driveway and my husband to drive me to the ER. Fortunately Sheba finally responded so I sent them all back to bed but I have never forgotten that!!:p:eek:
    I have not used Prozinc so I will tag @Djamila for you. But if she doesn’t get back to you by AMPS I would reduce to 0.75 units because Kyo took quite a while to get her up to safe numbers.
     
  43. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    112 @ +7
     
  44. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Ok looks like she has hit nadir and started moving back up.
    I would test again in 1 hour just to make sure. This is all really good data collection.
    Did you see what I had written above about tomorrow mornings dose?
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  45. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Yes! I will make sure to note down all of what happened tonight in my spreadsheet now that I can relax a little. And why do all the emergencies have to happen at night when the vet is closed?! I'm telling you man, I'm so thankful that this forum has come so far. I have become so passionate about FD ever since I got the diagnosis and found so little info on it until coming here. I hope to stick around for a long while and pay it forward once I am experienced enough to help other people, for now I'll have to set up a "keep the lights on" donation because I have to be able to give back somehow. And good to know for the AMPS! But yes I'll keep an eye out for djamila and see what she says about the ProZinc.
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  46. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Emergencies always happen at night when the vet is closed. Same with human kids! And yes this forum is a huge blessing for all the FD kitties of this world who are lucky enough to have a bean who has found the site.
    I live in Australia so try and come on when the rest of the world is asleep as their night is my afternoon/ evening. I am paying it forward for all the help I got when Sheba and I first arrived here.
    You will learn a huge amount from looking after Kyo and one day be able to help others. In the meantime even saying hi to others on the forum gives support and you will find you will make friends. I have made some great friends here. Most have lost their kitties now ( from other things not FD ) but we are still friends.
     
    Djamila and Harukyo like this.
  47. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Yeah! I should watch for more newbies like myself who find this forum and welcome them and try to ease them into the process. I saw a thread in the thinktank about how sometimes its hard for them to stick around. Hopefully if they hear from other new people they will feel less alone.
     
    Djamila and Bron and Sheba (GA) like this.
  48. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    166 @ +8
     
  49. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I think you are safe now. Well done both of you!! We call that a pyjama party! So I hope you enjoyed your first PJParty!
     
    Keskat&Rocket, Djamila and Harukyo like this.
  50. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Haha, that's a good way to lighten the mood. Kyo and I are both ready to hit the pillows for some well deserved cat naps! All my love goes out to you for all that you've done for us. Ill be back for a morning check-in with djamila. Goodnight Bron! :)
     
  51. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Goodnight! I don’t even know your name! With everything that was going on, I didn’t notice. You both deserve a good sleep. :bighug:
     
    Harukyo likes this.
  52. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    I should have thought of that when I made my username! I'll add it to my signature when I get the chance later. I'm Lauren :) nice to meet you!
     
  53. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Something I wanted to point out, Kyo has only been eating maybe about 1/3 to 1/2 of her food when it's given to her, then I shoot if her number is okay (she was 197 AMPS this morning and I gave .75u) and then she will eat the rest within two hours. Do your sugar babies eat all of their food before shot? Is this okay that I'm shooting before she's eaten it all or should I start scheduling to feed her earlier and give the shot after she's eaten everything?
     
  54. Jenna Josie

    Jenna Josie Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2018
    Hi *Lauren*! Wow, a second crazy night for you. I’m so glad @Bron and Sheba was here to guide you through it.

    Do be sure to get a +2 this morning in case she wants to try to repeat last cycles’s shenanigans. My hunch is that she won’t because she will bounce up a little from the lows last night (+ the reduced dose + cats tend to run lower at night), but you never know, especially with the food change. That often makes a big difference, and it looks like that may very well be the case for Kyo!

    As for feeding with the shot, the most important thing is that they eat something so that you know they are interested in food ... we give our cat her “shot meals” over about an hour bc if we give it to her all at once, she will “scarf and barf.” :rolleyes: 1/3 of can immediate after the test, then feed the civvie/draw the dose, then feed Josie another 1/3 can while shooting, and then feed the rest about 30 minutes later.
     
    Djamila and Harukyo like this.
  55. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Yes! I will definitely be getting that +2! We had quite the "PJparty" :p last night! The drop from low 300s to 40s was SO CRAZY, I'm wondering if maybe I didn't catch that I shot into a vein or something IDK I always draw back a little to check for blood. It got me a little spooked to give today's dose even though the numbers were right. But I don't think skipping the dose helped either and so I sucked it up and gave the .75u this morning. I knew I was bound to run into some problems switching to a LC wet food while giving insulin. Still trying to gather as much data as possible to work out all the kinks!

    Man, I'd prefer if Kyo would stick to some kind of eating schedule like you've got for your kitties! But good to know that she just needs to be interested in eating and she's always at my bed side trying to wake me up about 30 minutes until food time. I almost never need my alarms lol. Thanks for checking up on us @Jenna Josie :bighug:
     
  56. Jenna Josie

    Jenna Josie Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2018
    You probably didn’t do anything “wrong.” It looks like her pancreas decided it wanted to do some of its own work. + the food change + nighttime + no insulin that morning + maybe the PS test was maybe wonky (though who knows? I would have expected it to be high, too, given no insulin that morning, though maybe not all the way into the pinks ...).

    Point being, bc you’re relatively new to testing *and* had a big food change, you’ve got a lot of data variables right now, and so the best thing you can do to keep her safe is to test and be vigilant, just as you’ve been doing.
     
  57. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2015
    Hi Lauren! What an adventure! @Bron and Sheba, I think you made a good call on the amount of the dose reduction. Kyo might be high for a cycle or two, but I think you (Lauren) could use a break anyway. I would leave the dose at 0.75 for tonight as well (assuming Kyo is high enough to shoot tonight). Then we can take a look and decide where to go next. And yes to everything Bron and Jenna have said. :)
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) and Harukyo like this.
  58. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Just got our +2 test @ 186! I almost slept through my alarm for the +2, I underestimated how tired I am and funny enough kyo was the one who woke me up 5 minutes past my alarm :cat: thanks kitty, mom needs some coffee or more sleep lol :coffee:. Hey Djamila! Thanks for stopping by and confirming everything. I'm glad we've agreed on the game plan for this morning and tonight's dose!
     
    Jenna Josie likes this.
  59. Jenna Josie

    Jenna Josie Member

    Joined:
    Jun 30, 2018
    Yes, I bet you *are* tired!

    186 is good. If it were me, I would get a +6 (just to see where she is at her likely nadir) and then a +10 or a +11. That's kind of a weird number to get, but my thought is that it would be good to see where she is toward the end of this cycle leading up to when you need to make a decision for shot-time. I.e., comparing the +10/+11 with the PS test, you will have good data for if she's coming up and by how much.
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) and Djamila like this.
  60. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Perfect! I will do that. Thank you, Jenna! I'll be away for a little bit getting some sleep and I'll update the numbers at +6 and +10! :)
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  61. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    84 @ +6 and 129 @ +10! We are looking good for our PMPS!
     
  62. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Hi Lauren,
    Nice cycle today. I hope you are catching up on sleep!
     
  63. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    I got in a couple hours and I'm trying to fix my sleep schedule now instead of waking up at 4 in the afternoon lol. But yes! Looks like Kyos levels are in her normal range again *fingers crossed* still keeping an eye on her with the testing, but I'm hoping we can both get some better rest tonight! :cat:
     
  64. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Aug 1, 2015
    If she doesn't get over 150 for PMPS tonight, I might suggest reducing a bit more, down to 0.5u so you can sleep tonight. The last thing you need is another pajama party!

    The fact that she gave you a curve today instead of bouncing is a really great sign of her pancreas function, but not a good sign if you want to sleep! ;)
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) and Harukyo like this.
  65. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Omg good to know! Appreciate it Djamila! Kyo and I would both love to get some rest and not have to batter her ears anymore. The Neosporin has been so helpful since last night I'm really glad Bron suggested I pick some up.
     
  66. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Wow @Djamila you must be some kind of all knowing cat wizard, I'm so thankful that you told me what to do if she doesn't go over 150 for PMPS because she read 127! Will be giving a .5 dose as suggested!
     
  67. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I’d still get some testing in even though you’ve only given 0.5 units. I’d get a +2 to start with Lauren
     
    Jenna Josie likes this.
  68. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Sounds good! I will do that and update at +2!
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  69. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    148 @ +2
     
  70. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    What time are you going to bed? She will probably be fine but if you can get another test in sometime this cycle that would be good.
    I have no idea what time it is where you are
     
  71. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    I'm in Texas, U.S. so its midnight here right now. I was planning on doing a +4 or +5 check which would be 2 or 3 am respectively to make sure shes not dropping to low during peak.
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  72. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I’d get a +5. You’re a good mamabean.
    Can you sleep inbetween?
     
  73. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Yes I can! And aw thank you, I try so hard for her! She's the best thing that's ever happened to me and has been with me through rough times, she's deserves that and more. Update around +5!
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  74. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    86 @ +5!
     
  75. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Wow! I wasn’t expecting that! I think you
    might need to test again sorry. Either +6 or +6.5. Is that ok?
    Kyo is loving the reductions.
     
  76. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Okay, no problem. I'll do another @ +6.5, I kind of expected them to be on the low end right now since she's around her peak right? Are green numbers okay?
     
  77. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Green numbers are healing numbers .... as long as they don’t go too low.
     
  78. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    You were right Bron, 59 @ +6.5
     
  79. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    I'll test again at +7 to make sure we are coming back up
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  80. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    I’d give her a teaspoon of normal low carb food now.
     
  81. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Alrighty, she just finished 1tsp of FF beef pate. She's kind of hungry right now
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  82. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    She will be hungry when she that low.
     
  83. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Apologies that we've had to take up some of your evening two days in a row now :(
     
  84. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    No need to apologise at all. As long as Kyo is safe that’s the main thing. I have just finished dinner and watching a bit of TV.
     
  85. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Omg we are back at 48 @ +7 :banghead:
     
  86. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Ok. Out with the high carb and some karo please and let me know when she’s eaten it.
     
  87. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    All eaten. Test in 20 min?
     
    Bron and Sheba (GA) likes this.
  88. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    1tsp high carb + 1 drop Karo is what I gave just like last time
     
  89. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Yes that’s right. Test in 20 mins.
     
  90. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    65 @ +7.5 ish
     
  91. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    That’s good. You will need to keep testing I’m sorry. Another Pyjama Party!
    Don’t feed any more and we’ll see if she’ll stay up on his own.
    I’d test at +8
     
    Last edited: Jun 16, 2019
  92. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    That's okay, I know we can keep it up and the longer we go on the more the insulin wears off. What should I do for the next dose? She only got .5u tonight
     
  93. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    For the AMPS: unless you hear from @Djamila and she tells you otherwise, I would skip the dose if she’s under 150 and if she’s over 150 I would give 1/4 unit (0.25 units) as long as you are available to test.
    Your little girl is on a mission.
     
    Djamila likes this.
  94. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Haha, seems like shes tired of the shots and the pricks and making her pancreas work overtime. Poor baby. My u-40 syringes are kind of hard to gauge anything under .5u, should I just try to eyeball it the best I can?
     
  95. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Do you have a magnifying glass? I used to use one all the time.
    Otherwise just eyeball it, yes.
    Looking back over her spreadsheet and seeing all those weeks when she wasn’t being tested makes me wonder how low she used to drop. Yikes!!!:nailbiting:
     
  96. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    YOU AND ME BOTH! BELIEVE ME! I had that same exact thought as soon as I started doing the home testing. I'm very fortunate 1. That my vet didn't start us out on a high dose 2. That we only stayed on 2u of insulin for a couple of days. And 3. Just the fact that her body must have fought so hard for her on some nights when I just had no idea she was so low. There were so many days that she cried and cried for food and I thought I was just supposed to ignore her because it was the diabetes talking. *Sigh* well we know better now. 96 @ +8
     
  97. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    But also I had her on a large portion of high carb dry diet, so that's probably what kept her going honestly! That's why she gained weight! She use to be 10lbs, she's 13 now and I'll address the weight after we get the diabetes under control
     
  98. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    Yes I think you were very fortunate to have her on high carb food. No doubt that saved her plus she is one tough little cookie!
    Ok 96@+8. She would still be under the influence of the honey and high carb so I think if you could get a test in 1 hour just to make she she is ok. Is that ok?
    Will you give her a cuddle from me and tell her she’s been a very good girl but we don’t want her swimming with the sharks again!
     
  99. Harukyo

    Harukyo Member

    Joined:
    Jun 6, 2019
    Will do! +9 test coming up in 30 minutes! Ill make sure I spend ample time cuddling her tomorrow for all she's put up with me. And forgive me, what does the swimming with the sharks mean ? :woot: haha
     
  100. Bron and Sheba (GA)

    Bron and Sheba (GA) Well-Known Member

    Joined:
    Feb 21, 2015
    When kitties drop below 100 (green) we call it swimming in the lagoon and if they drop low ( under 50 or under 40) we say they are swimming with the sharks. Being in the blue numbers is being on the beach beside the lagoon. And when they are bouncing up high we say they are on the trampoline. Sounds like we are all a bit crazy :p but it’s just a bit of fun.
     

Share This Page