DKA/FHL/ETUBE- Garland Updates

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  1. Anonymous

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    :lol: "I flung myself to the phone"
    As only a good mom would!
     
  2. Marje and Gracie

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    Violet:

    What a beautiful, beautiful girl Garland is. I am so happy you got her to the vet. We are sending major prayers for her quick recovery and that she is back in your loving home again soon.
     
  3. Karen & Smokey(GA)

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    She is so beautiful. Her vet picture is truly sad.

    And she is going to get better !!!

    And come home and be herself again.

    Thanks for the update....keeping Garland and you in my thoughts.
     
  4. ohbell

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    Ms. Violet,
    What er is she at> is it in Euless or Ft.Worth?????
    I know when Gumpy was in er in Euless, they let me go back and see her...I would take trips there throughout the week end...brought her my shirt and she did seem to love to see me!
    Where in Ft. Worth are you? If you need someone to pick up your home item (shirt, pillowcase, small blanket, towel), perhaps I could help out and get to her???
    Just let me know!
    Wishing healing thoughts to you and Garland!
     
  5. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    Hoping for a good update this AM! She is such a beautiful girl...keeping you both in my prayers
     
  6. Venita

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    Garland is at VCA of Ft. Worth. I just spoke to an ICU tech.

    Garland is depressed and not eating. They are trying assisted feeding, but Garland isn't accepting the help. The tech asked what Garland eats at home, but I don't know.

    BG levels from 190 to 224. Potassium low--2.0. She is getting potassium in her IV fluids and may have her dose upped when her bloodwork is redone this evening at 7pm.

    I then asked about kidney and liver values and the tech went to put the vet on the phone. The vet told the tech that they couldn't give me info because I am not the owner. (HPPA for animals ohmygod_smile ) So I never got to ask my question about pH level either.

    But maybe the "nice" vet will call me back when he is on duty this afternoon.
     
  7. Patricia and Gang

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    The way I got Garland to eat was to put the baby food on my finger and then smear it on her tongue or the roof of her mouth. Just a small amount each time and she swallowed it all with no problems. Maybe you could call them back and suggest they try that.

    Patricia (GAs Fluffy, Mr QT, Murphy, Jonathan, Flannel, Speedy, Angel, Rusty, Bobby, Ash, Moseley, Suzy, Zak, Kobe and Cory) Corky, Oreo & Rufus
     
  8. TheresaJ860

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    Adding prayers to Saint Francis of Assisi for poor Garland and Violet!

    What an incredible show of care and concern on this thread. I am not able to provide a donation at this moment, However I will as soon as I can.

    What an amazing group ofpeople!

    Theresa and Christian
     
  9. Venita

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    Will do Patricia. Thanks for the info!!
     
  10. Violet and Garland

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    Im waiting for a call back. They were all busy when I called earlier to give me an update. They said I should hear back by 1 or 130. Is there certain things/numbers I should ask for?

    Thanks for talking with them this morning... so they said shes not doing any better? :( I hope they call me back soon, im soo worried
     
  11. Violet and Garland

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    Okay, finally a vet tech called me back. She wasnt able to give me much info. She said they cant get her to eat, and shes really depressed. :( The vet I saw yesterday is going to call me when he gets in and re-evaluates her. So im looking forward to hear what he has to say... The wait is so hard.

    Venita- I just gave permission for them to give you any info you wanted about Garland and how she is doing. :)

    Thanks again everyone. I will keep you all updated!
     
  12. Anonymous

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    Violet, why don't you call Shelly. She lives near you. She sent you her phone number and she said she would go today and bring some of your clothes or whatever to your kitty.
    The mere smell of you may lift her morale until you can get there.
    She is willing....just call her.
    Lori
     
  13. tuckers mom

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    As long as her potassium is low she's going to look very depressed. Once it gets above 3.0 - 3.2 she should perk up. When Tucker's was that low we actually thought he passed away becuase he couldn't move at all and barely looked like he was breathing.
     
  14. Amanda

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    Hoping Garland starts to perk up here for you soon!
     
  15. Venita

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    The medical director of the ER called me. They are pumping R insulin through Garland's IV fluids to combat the ketoacidosis. Garland is more animated, meowing, and showing more spunk that she did yesterday. She is a good patient.

    However, Garland still is not eating. (Patricia, I did suggest finger feeding baby food.) If after 48 hours from admission Garland still is not eating, they will consider an e-tube.

    Her biggest problem when she came in yesterday was dehydration. As of this morning's blood tests, her kidney and liver values were fine, and her pH was 7.38 (normal range).
     
  16. Violet and Garland

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    UPDATE

    So I heard back from the vet after he came back in today. He said shes doing better. Her potassium levels are still low, so they think she was much more dehydrated than they had originally thought. But, good news, he said shes being much more vocal. Garland is a very very loud, vocal cat. I hadnt heard her meow once in days. So the fact that shes more alert and starting to meow again makes me know shes getting better! Shes still not really eating. They managed to get a litte bit of baby food in her, but not very much. They are going to try to syringe feed her later.

    As I hear more, I will tell everyone!! Thanks for all your kind words and prayers for my baby girl!
     
  17. Violet and Garland

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    I think Im going to try to drive out there tonight. (fingers crossed) But I didnt see a phone number for shelly?
     
  18. TheresaJ860

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    Violet, I think Shelly is Ohbell, that might help you find the message. Good luck!
     
  19. PeterDevonMocha

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    Come on garland! We are all pulling for you pretty little girl!! Eat up your fuds so you can get better and come home to your family that will do anything for you!!
     
  20. Patricia and Gang

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    You have my phone number, if you need me to take something to the Vet's office, just call me. I'll be glad to help.

    Patricia (GAs Fluffy, Mr QT, Murphy, Jonathan, Flannel, Speedy, Angel, Rusty, Bobby, Ash, Moseley, Suzy, Zak, Kobe and Cory) Corky, Oreo & Rufus
     
  21. MommaOfMuse

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    Come on Garland eat your nom noms...You have a bunch of people you don't even know that are pulling for you, and want to get to hear all about what a wondeful spunky kitty you are and see tons of pictures of you once you are back home with the beans that love you best.

    Get well little one.

    Still got all 20 fingers, 20 toes and 52 paws all crossed for a speedy and complete recovery.

    Mel, Maxwell, Musette & The Fur Gang
     
  22. Melanie and Smokey

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    Hope you get in to see your girl tonite! I know it is so hard to not be in there with them.
     
  23. squeem3

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    Can the vet put a feeding tube in? It will be much easier to give a liquid food like Clinicare for nutriton intake as well as give medicines. Dr. Lisa's web site has info about some common types of feeding tubes: http://catinfo.org/?link=feedingtubes

    Has the vet tried a little FortiFlora on food (canned, dry, baby, etc)? FortiFlora is really really appealing to cats, even really sick inappetant ones.
     
  24. Violet and Garland

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    I just called. Shes still not eating... :sad: I think they will start doing more aggressive feeding options tomorrow afternoon
     
  25. Lisa and Do Lou (GA)

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    sending prayers and healing vines for Garland hope she improves very soon ((((hugs)))) to you[​IMG]
     
  26. Dyana

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    My kitty wouldn't eat while he was in the hospital, and he was there for 8 1/2 days. He did enjoy my daily visits though, and I would bring his favorite foods and favorite treats to try to encourage him. Eventually, he ate a couple treats from my hand, but that was all. He came home with a feeding tube. The day after he was home, he started eating on his own again, just fine.
     
  27. Venita

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    Violet, I have had someone from the Dallas/FW area offer to bring you SubQ fluids if you need them. Be sure to ask if you need them, and I can put you in touch with the donor.
     
  28. tuckers mom

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    I'm not a vet or an expert but this is starting to look like a hypokalemic kitty. Tucker was fine most of his life, it wasn't until he was older that he started to lose potassium.

    If your kitty is still low on potassium, under 3 or even 3.5 she might not eat on her own. A strong potassium push through the IV should perk her up, it could take 2-3 days before she does perk. The vet should be monitoring electrolytes and work on getting the potassium up. A kitty with low potassium does look like a DKA kitty in many respects. Lethargy, not eating, limp. Please contact the vet and see where the potassium is now. We almost put Tucker down a year too early because we did not know about Hypokalemia.
     
  29. Venita

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    I tend to agree with Jennifer, although I'm not a vet, vet tech, or expert in any way.

    Garland's pH is in the normal range, and with DKA you see acidosis--an acidic pH. There were ketones, but not acidosis. It could be that the hypokalemia and ketones are related or associated...I don't know about that. Good question for the ER vet.
     
  30. Venita

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    I just spoke to the ICU tech.

    Garland is resting comfortably, but still is not eating well. A feeding tube will be discussed this afternoon when Dr. Hill, the medical director, comes in.

    Garland's BG level this morning was 211 and she got 2U of insulin. I didn't ask what kind, but I am assuming her long-lasting insulin, Lantus.

    This morning's bloodwork is about the same as yesterday. Potassium still down (at 2) and other values in range. I asked about ketones, and was told they test ketones through urine, and haven't done a urine test recently. The tech said she would mention that to Dr. Hill and he might order that this afternoon.

    I also asked about whether this could be hypokalemia. The vet tech said she would relay that question to Dr. Hill. The vet in the ER right now is busy with another patient, and not available to answer that question.

    I am taking my Jacks and Nellie to their vet this afternoon, so it will likely be early evening before I can update on my talk with Dr. Hill.

    Thanks all for continuing to pray and send well wishes for Garland and her family.
     
  31. Michelle and Mannie (GA)

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    prayers for a quick recovery!
     
  32. Violet and Garland

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    Its been an uber busy day. Just wanted to pop in quickly to say the vet tech really didnt have any new information for me this morning. She is still not eating. The vet will get there this afternoon and they will consider a feeding tube. So I am on pins and needles waiting for his phone call. He will be able to give me more information hopefully.

    Thanks again for all your prayers. It means the world to me!! ((hugs))

    Venita- I think they mentioned to me they had Garland on a short acting insulin.. but I never asked what kind?
     
  33. Violet and Garland

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    I dont know what I would do without all of you! I would not have even known to ask all these questions. Thanks!
     
  34. PeterDevonMocha

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    come on garland! Eat up little one!!
     
  35. nancy and payne

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    The last time Payne was in ER after 4 DKA's she was just as sick but because her pH was in the normal range, they called it a DK .... I worry more about the not eating right now.
     
  36. Violet and Garland

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    Hi everyone! Im so tired. I think I may even fall asleep as I type this. I havent really slept in days and the kids are being extra wild this week...

    I talked to the vet... I wish I had more to tell you guys.. Basically, her BG numbers are staying steady at about where they always were at home since getting diagnosed (around 200ish) Her potassium is still very low. They have upped her dose in her IV as well as started her on an oral supplement. She still isnt eating. They have managed to force feed a bit to her, but not very much at all. He discussed with me several options that we may have to consider come tomorrow.... Maybe even an Xray to see if there is another reason shes not eating (tumor was mentioned) He did say she seemed to feel better based on shes much perkier than when she was originally brought in though, so thats good

    Im just getting so sad... It hit me hard today how much Ive missed her. Its been almost 3 days since I took her in, and she doesnt seem to be close to coming home. I guess I was being optimistic with a speedy recovery, and now it seems its going to take longer than I hoped... I wish she would start eating.. She has me worried

    Thanks again for all the support! I will update you in the morning when I talk with them again ((hugs))
     
  37. nancy and payne

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    Sending out healing hugs and much love! come on let's eat! (please ......)
     
  38. Dyana

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    BIG HUGS back to ya.
    Perkier is good. I'm only going by what my kitty went through, but the first couple of days at the vet he could barely lift his head up when I visited him, and then, very slowly he got better. And he never ate by himself while he was in the hospital. The feeding tube saved his life. That was 5 years ago. What a scary time that was for me. I think I kept my fingers crossed in my sleep.
    I'm just saying, don't give up hope. Keep praying.

    Sending feel even better tomorrow, vines to Garland. :YMHUG:
     
  39. Squeaky and KT (GA)

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    Come on pretty girl - eat!

    Prayers and hugs for MamaBean....a big looooong, head on shoulder, don't let go yet...hug....and lots of ankle rubs.
     
  40. my Casey bear

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    :YMHUG: :YMHUG: Hugs to you, and prayers for Garland, you and your family.

    Roberta
    and Casey
     
  41. Venita

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    I just spoke to Dr. Hill also. (What a gentle man he seems to be. And willing to spend time on the phone.)

    Besides what Violet said, all of which he told me except the X-Ray and possible tumor thing...

    We talked about how some cats simply won't eat in a hospital setting and that Garland might start eating once she gets home. Dr. Hill agreed that is common. They are syringe feeding Garland Royal Canin Recovery and have started her on an appetite stimulant (although Dr. Hill has seldom seen that work, nor have I).

    Putting in an e-tube for assisted feeding is still on the "possible" list.

    They are not checking ketones. Dr. Hill doesn't believe that is as important in a situation such as this as are electrolyte (esp. potassium) level and eating. No real answer to my question about hypokalemia vs. DKA. Just a sort of "what is, is" answer.

    The price estimate the ER clinic gave Violet anticipated treatment through tomorrow at 8pm, and Dr. Hill said that is still the price target through that time. The price may go up if a feeding tube is needed. Dr. Hill is back in tomorrow morning. He hopes to see a much-improved Garland then.

    So do I.

    Violet, I am so sorry about your fatigue. I understand; stress can do that. And I am so sorry that you are getting sad missing Ms. Garland. My experience with watching these kinds of situations is that it often is in Day 3 that the cat just suddenly turns around and starts to ***** about going home. May Ms. Garland hold to that "average."
     
  42. Marje and Gracie

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    Sending more healing vines and prayer for sweet Garland. And some comfort and peace for you, Violet.
     
  43. Karen & Smokey(GA)

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    Has Violet been able to visit with Garland in the hospital ?

    That might perk Garland up if she sees her mommy.

    I visited Smokey each day when he was in the hospital for 4 days.

    I got him to take food from my finger (baby food turkey) and he
    started to eat on the third day.
     
  44. Violet and Garland

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    I just talked w Dr Hill.. its not looking good

    Garland is still not eating and has developed fatty liver disease. I cant even begin to explain all the medical stuff he was telling me, as I barely understood it myself. He said even if we did everything possible there is still only a 50/50 chance she will pull through. He said he was going to call Venita next, I will let her explain the medical side of it. I dont know what to do. This is heartbreaking and sad. Ive missed her so much, and I also feel like I wish I had spent more time with her over the last few weeks. I wish I could have taken some video of her recently, acting herself, meowing at me when she wanted to eat, our snuggly time after the kids were in bed.. I just never even thought she would get sick so sudden like this... she was fine just last week :( I wish I had done more snuggly time that wasnt just my usual routines...He wants to put in a special tube (peg?) and keep her for a few more days. But he didnt seem very hopeful... he said its a hard disease to overcome. Im going to talk with my husband and see what he thinks. I will be back later... :(
     
  45. Amy&TrixieCat

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    Karrie, over in LantusLand, went through hepatic lipidosis with her kitty, Maverick. This is something she put together about it - maybe it will help:
    https://docs.google.com/View?id=dddmxzzn_51gr5dpk5w

    We've got you guys in our prayers...

    Amy
     
  46. LynnLee + Mousie

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    i'm so sorry. don't give up yet is my gut response. 50/50 is still a decent chance i think. i'm not sure why they're waiting so long on the tube though. i would have thought they would have done it days ago so as to avoid developing the fatty liver but maybe they felt they were getting enough food in her perhaps.
     
  47. Squeaky and KT (GA)

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  48. Ann & Scatcats

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    sweet Garland, go for the e-tube
     
  49. Jen & Squeak

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    If the funds are available, get the tube!
     
  50. nancy and payne

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    I'm so sorry but don't give up! Every time Payne had DKA I got the "talk." That's four talks! I said get her through this and I will keep her alive .... and I have. This is where faith comes in, believe that all the love and good wishes will tip the scale.
     
  51. kse

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    Get the tube.....don't give up. I got the "talk" to when my Kitty had DKA. BUT, she pulled through.....
     
  52. Charliemeow

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    I've been watching this thread and I'm pulling for you and Garland! Please get the tube!! 50/50 isn't that bad as far as odds go.
     
  53. Hope + (((Baby)))GA

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    Been through that 3 times........get the E tube put it. Liver can come back....only organ that can. Not the stomach peg tube.....the esophageal tube......through the neck. Less invasive,less surgery time,works wonders. Prayers coming and hopefully donations will keep coming in to Venita. Liver has done this because of lack of food and she is out of DKA......she can pull through this.
     
  54. JL and Chip

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    I went through two hepatic lipidosis tours with Charlie, complete with a PEG tube once and an E-tube the other. Barring a terminal diagnosis (aggressive cancer, etc.), my rule of thumb has always been to give them as much medical support as possible and let them make the decision. Cats have amazing healing abilities and a lot of grit and "heart."

    Charlie looked like "death warmed over" numerous times yet pulled through and had quality time with me.

    Have they had any luck getting the potassium levels up? That in itself makes them look and act punky, which then opens the door for HL.

    You have some decisions to make, but I'd sure try. You're this far down the path already and a feeding tube is not difficult to manage. It would be a shame to give up now.

    Sending positive vibes your direction...
     
  55. Ann & Scatcats

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    Violet, get the tube NOW, and don't worry about the costs, I am willing to send international money check as soon as I know how much the total sum I need to send will be. Also, the vet place needs tó cooperate with me with that since it will take a few days for this way of sending money, first a visit to one bank, then a visit to a second bank and filling out forms, then check has to be written out and sent to me, then I can send it to Venita. So if they just can give her the tube care and other care ASAP as she needs, I can get going with the form filling out things and eventually the money will get to the vet place for the care.


    (sigh I'm off so far away and fast isn't fast because of that)
     
  56. Violet and Garland

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    Thank you all ((hugs)) I would be lost without all of your support. I think I have been crying for the last 2 hours :(

    I think I want to do the feeding tube. I called Venita, she is calling Dr Hill to get more of an update from him bc I am awful with trying to explain medical terminology.. I need advice from you experts. E tube or peg? The dr seems to want to do the peg more??
     
  57. Jen & Squeak

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  58. Venita

    Venita Well-Known Member

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    Dr. Hill is in a meeting. Can't get Violet back on the phone.

    Violet, I am saying yes, and after reading suggestions here and Dr. Lisa's feeding tube page, go with the E Tube. ASAP.

    DCIN will add another $800 to its donation, or greater if the donations exceed that.
     
  59. Ann & Scatcats

    Ann & Scatcats Well-Known Member

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    I will too
     
  60. Just-As-Appy

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    $$$ will be in the mail tomorrow. I'll go across the border and send as US post works so much faster than Canadian, embarrassing to say!
     
  61. Venita

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    Ann, you are a dear!!
     
  62. TheresaJ860

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    Sent a small donation, sorry it couldn't be more. Praying for you both, Violet and Garland.
    Theresa and Christian
     
  63. Venita

    Venita Well-Known Member

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    Donation info specifically for Garland.
     
  64. Ann & Scatcats

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    Everyone counts!
     
  65. Ann & Scatcats

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    Venita, please check your Messages at fb, I need to know your mailing address for the internationall check and the pm's here on FDMB don't work for me, so I messaged you for your address at fb instead.

    Ann
     
  66. Violet and Garland

    Violet and Garland Well-Known Member

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    Thank you everyone from the bottom of my heart. Your donations, your support, your knowledge, your kindness, your love for my Garland. I will never forget it. I cant wait until I can repay the kindness shown to me here by helping another DCIN patient when I can

    I called and told the tech to tell Dr Hill to do the E tube. (He was in with another patient) I hope they get it going soon. She has been soooo long without food
     
  67. Venita

    Venita Well-Known Member

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    I just tried (again) to call Dr. Hill. He is not available because....

    ...he is putting an e-tube into Garland!!! YEAH!!!

    Violet told me that Dr. Hill recommended the peg tube instead of the e-tube because they could get more food into her more quickly. Violet, you (and DCIN) are paying for intensive care. The staff need to be feeding Garland very frequently once the tube is placed. I suggest that you become a pain in their butts and call them every couple of hours to ask when they last fed Garland.

    Hopefully, Dr. Hill will call once he is done with the tube placement and I also can make that request of him.

    Those who do Reiki or who have friends who do Reiki, please put your energy onto Garland. We pulled Tiko away from death's door. We can get Garland home to her Mom's loving arms as well!!
     
  68. Karrie and Maverick

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    My reply didn't show up at all.

    Go with an ETUBE NOT a Peg tube. Maverick had a peg tube and its much more invasive with potential for lots of complications. Maverick needed two emergency abdominal surgeries.

    A few things:
    1. FHL is extremely nauseating. Get a prescription for an antinausea medication that works for cats. Ondansetron or dolasetron. Cerenia is used when there is vomiting. Metoclopromide/reglan is often prescribed but this doesn't work for cats, just dogs. It works for nausea on cats if stomach motility is the cause (throwing up food hours after eating).

    2. Calories is the big part of FHL treatment. Cats stop eating enough for many reasons. There is a yahoo group dedicated to assist feeding that has a ton of info on FHL, tube feeding, videos on changing bandages etc. Its the Yahoo Feline Assisted Feeding group. They can support you every step of the way recovering from FHL. They do not advice on diabetes or diabetes diets. You'll learn things like the right amount of water to flush with, how to unclog a tube, tips like blending up the food and straining it before feeding, what medications you can and should not put in the tube, not to rush your cat back to eating on its own, to focus on healing the liver. A cat will eat when they are ready.

    My father had liver disease and was able to communicate how miserable it made him feel. He did not eat solid food for six weeks.

    3. A liver supplement has proven to improve survivability. Marin, denosyl or denamarin.

    Maverick almost died from FHL in 2008 and the vet recommended euthanasia. The FAF group held my hand through his complete recovery. It is survivable but you have to get food into him and he has to keep it down. Keeping you two in my thoughts.
     
  69. Patricia and Gang

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    I have pulled two out of Fatty Liver at home, surely the vet will bring Garland through this. You might want to ask the vet about adding Denamarin to whatever else Garland is getting. It's the one thing that helped my babies pull through.

    I will keep you and Garland in my thoughts and prayers, and please, if there is anything I can do to help out, call me. I mean that, day or night, just call and I will be there.

    Patricia (GAs Fluffy, Mr QT, Murphy, Jonathan, Flannel, Speedy, Angel, Rusty, Bobby, Ash, Moseley, Suzy, Zak, Kobe and Cory) Corky, Oreo & Rufus
     
  70. Karen & Smokey(GA)

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    Smokey had triaditis when I first got him (adopted at age 14)....he was in the hospital
    4 days.

    Triaditis is Pancreatitis, Fatty Liver, and IBD all at once.

    Garland can pull through !!!

    Go for the feeding tube ASAP.
     
  71. ohbell

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    Dear Violet,
    If you are to buzy w/ kids etc. to be big pain in the a**, give me the ok to speak with them, and trust me, they WILL DO WHAT YOU WANT! LOL! I have a reference list ~ lol.......

    But really, I do live close by and if you need anything, let me know....

    Right now, Patricia has been visiting me and helping syringe feed my Civvie Slappy and she is doing much better! Every nite so far and awaiting her for tonite, but I bet I could fit you in the schedule of mine if you need the help....give back when you can~ and that is what I feel I need to do!

    Let me know and pm me if you want! GO GARLAND GO! :RAHCAT
     
  72. Violet and Garland

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    I havent been able to talk with the vet. I guess they had several emergencies come in. But the tech who answered the phone said they got the tube in great. So now I am just waiting to hear back from Dr Hill. Ill keep yall posted when I hear something
     
  73. Violet and Garland

    Violet and Garland Well-Known Member

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    LOL Thanks!!! I hope they will just do it without me having to harass them. But we shall see. (love the cheerleading cats) LOL
     
  74. my Casey bear

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    Violet,

    Prayers for Garland and hugs to you :YMHUG: :YMHUG: :YMHUG:

    Roberta
    and Casey
     
  75. Deb415andNikki

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    Dearest Violet, and, of course, you too, darling Garland,

    Please know my hopeful, healing, hungry thoughts and prayers continue for your sweet furry girl. And, for you, who misses her so...

    May she be home soon sharing snuggles with you after your children in bed.

    Much love and countless hopeful, healing, hungry hugs for you all,
    Deb and Nikki (i'm rooting for you, garland! get better soon, sweet girl, okay?) -- and, Giz, who taught me all about hope...
     
  76. laur+danny+horde

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    So glad Garland got the feeding tube. My Danny went thru much of what Garland has, and the feeding tube saved him. My Venture actually has a feeding tube in right now due to some different problems.

    But!!! Please make sure your vet is considering the risk of "hepatic lipidosis refeeding injury"! Google this term and check out the MarvistaVet link - I think its the second one down. They can't just start feeding at full level right away, due to metabolic issues. If they are not careful, the refeeding injury can occur and basically the red blood cells are badly damaged. In that case the cat has to have transfusions -- this is what happened with my Danny. So make sure to discuss this risk with the vet and find out how they plan to avoid it!

    Best wishes,
    laur
     
  77. Violet and Garland

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    Hi!! Wanted to tell you about what the vet said really quick (baby boy is sick, so Im doing a lot of rocking tonight)

    He just said the tube insertion when great, shes groggy, but once shes more alert they will start giving her small doses of water down the tube to see if she can keep it down. Then over the next 12 hours slowly start trying very watered down food. So its a waiting game to see how she does. He is going to call me in the AM to let me know how her night was.

    Thanks again for the prayers and support. Its been a very rough week for me. My other cat (Connick) has been a bit mopey the last day or two. He is missing his snuggle partner. I got both cats when they were 6 weeks old. They have never been apart in 12 years... I can tell he misses her as much as me.

    Ill let you know how her night was!!
     
  78. Venita

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    Dr. Hill did call me two hours ago as he was driving away from the ER for the evening. The e-tube surgery was successful and Garland was coming out of the anesthesia as the Dr. was leaving.

    Thanks for the info about refeeding injury, Laur. Copied below. Dr. Hill was telling me about that without using the term. He was talking about how they would have to start slow with food and water and "get her stomach re-accustomed" to food. They also would supplement her food. He said that after 12-24 hours, they would be able to establish a calorie target and feeding schedule. So that all makes sense to me now. (I've never been through fatty liver with one of my cats.)

    Dr. Hill said that this morning's bloodwork showed Garland's potassium at almost normal--3.4. The liver values, though, keyed them into the fatty liver and they confirmed it with a urine test, which showed dark color and high bilirubin. Dr. Hill did say that the urinalysis also tested for ketones, but he couldn't recall the result with certainty.

    Dr. Hill said that at this point the medical issue is only the fatty liver and getting Garland past that. He suggested maybe only 2 or 3 more days in the hospital.


    From Marvistavet.

    When a patient has been in a starvation state for a while and then begins to eat, some serious metabolic problems may occur in the first few days as metabolism changes. When food is delivered, the pancreas releases insulin in an attempt to store the calories. Unfortunately, insulin also drives circulating potassium inside cells and cats with hepatic lipidosis are often depleted of potassium to start out with. This sudden drop in potassium can make a cat very weak (causing drooping neck, listlessness, urine retention / inability to urinate normally, heart muscle depression and more). Similarly, insulin will drive phosphate into cells in a similar way leaving the bloodstream depleted. Red blood cells will not have enough phosphate to maintain their own structure; they burst causing severe anemia.

    If the blood phosphate level drops below 2.2 mg/dl, an IV supplement will be needed. After the phosphate level has started to rise, an oral supplement of phosphate (usually lactose-free cow's milk works well). Expect the cat to be monitored in the hospital for the first 3 days following initiation of nutritional support.

    Refeeding injury can be usually avoided by starting with half (or less) of the required amount of Calories at first and gradually working up to the full nutritional requirement over a few days. Having a low blood potassium level at the time of the initial lipidosis diagnosis is associated with increased chance of death.
     
  79. Christie & Willie (GA)

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    ((hugs)) been following for a couple days with lots of thoughts and prayers being sent your way. This is an amazing family here, and I'm telling you, the folks here can work miracles!

    Sent a small donation tonight. Sorry it couldn't be more!
     
  80. Marje and Gracie

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    Also following along and praying for Garland. We also had a kitty who had to have a tube (PEG back in those days) and it saved his life. I'm so glad you did it, Violet.

    It sounds like your doctor is great and we will just keeping sending healing thoughts and prayers Garland's way.
     
  81. Violet and Garland

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    MORNING UPDATE AFTER E TUBE

    Hi!! I called first thing this morning to see how Garland did last night after getting her feeding tube. The morning vet tech had only been there a few hours, but she said she had fed her an hour ago and so far nothing has come back up. I asked how she did last night and all she could tell me was based on the notes on her chart she was fed every 2 hours (very small amounts) and nothing came up. (based on the notes) YAY!! Im so happy she hasnt been throwing up. It gives me a newfound hope for her :)

    Dr Hill is supposed to call me later for more details, but I just wanted to share this good news with you all :)
     
  82. PeterDevonMocha

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    Come on garland, once you get your fuds in you are on the road to recovery!! Many prayers from us to you!!
     
  83. Hope + (((Baby)))GA

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    dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat Food staying down is great news.
     
  84. kse

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    Great News! :D

    Hopefully the good reports will continue!
     
  85. nancy and payne

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    Go Garland!!! We are all pulling for you!! :RAHCAT :RAHCAT :RAHCAT dancing_cat dancing_cat dancing_cat
     
  86. Venita

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    :mrgreen:
     
  87. Gail & Houdini (GA)

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    Good news for sure!! C'mon Miss Garland we are all praying for you!!
     
  88. Marje and Gracie

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    :D :D :D :D dancing_cat dancing_cat cat_pet_icon cat_pet_icon cat_pet_icon
     
  89. Christie & Willie (GA)

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    Good news!! Prayers still being sent from KC for a full recovery for sweet Garland!!
     
  90. MommaOfMuse

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    :RAHCAT Go Garland Go :RAHCAT

    Prayers and Purrs still coming from the Great Plains.

    Mel, Maxwell, Musette & The Fur Gang
     
  91. Violet and Garland

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    Thanks everyone!

    Another quick update: Garland still is keeping the food down. Her BG was low earlier, but they got it back to where it needs to be. Dr Hill is getting optimistic, so thats a good sign. Its still a waiting game to see how she does. Ill be back later with another update, my kids are screaming at my feet right now. I just wanted to pop on and tell you shes still doing pretty good with the tube :)
     
  92. TheresaJ860

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    Awesome, Christian and I are keeping you both in prayer, (Shihtzu drooler is as well!) :YMHUG:
     
  93. Venita

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    I was just talking to the hospital operations director about a rescue discount for the bill. She was saying that Garland is really cracking them all up with her talking and talking and talking.
     
  94. Iorwen & Tray

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    talking is a great sign.
    Go Garland!
     
  95. Karrie and Maverick

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    Garland is a talker. I love it!

    What awesome updates *clapping*
     
  96. MommaOfMuse

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    Yay for talking!!!

    Bet she is saying, "I WANNA GO HOME!" "LET ME OUT OF HERE!" & "WHERE IS MY MOMMA? YOU ARE NOT THE MOMMA"

    Keep it up Garland, and eventually they will let you go home, just to get some peace and quiet...lol.

    Mel, Maxwell, Musette & The Fur Gang
     
  97. Jessie's mom

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    I came home to dancing kitties, smilies, and positive updates. Can't tell you how happy this makes us. Jessie, Church, and I will keep the prayers coming.
    Stay strong, Garland! And you too, Violet! Many hugs to you!
     
  98. SweetLikePeaches

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    YAAAAAH Garland!!!!! Go girl go!!!! :RAHCAT Sending healing thoughts and good vibes all the way from Nova Scotia, Canada
     
  99. Deb415andNikki

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    Dearest Violet, and, of course, you too, chatty Garland,

    Keeping food down and talking, talking, talking?!?!?! Oh be still, my heart...

    Our hopeful, healing, hungry prayers continue for your brave furry girl and her brave loving mom. And, I hope your son is feeling better today.

    Much love and countless hopeful, healing, hungry hugs for you and yours, Violet,
    Deb and Nikki (i'm sending special paw pats for you, garland, and for your buddy, connick) -- and, Giz...
     
  100. Karen & Smokey(GA)

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    Prayers and strong encouragement coming from Washington state, here.

    Go Garland, Go !!!
     

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