I am in tears, 13-year old cat diagnosed with diabetes ~3 months ago. Not much progress...

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  1. Ryn & Grayson

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    Hi all. I wish I knew that this forum existed three months ago. I apologise for the long-winded post...

    At the end of April this year, I returned home from a trip abroad that lasted approximately 12 months. Before I left, my cat Grayson was as happy, plump, and healthy as a cat could be. However, when I returned home I was horrified at what I saw. I had to go searching around the house for my poor feline friend, who had turned into nothing but skin and bones. He would hide out in the basement, right beside his litter box and short distance away from the water bowl. I immediately started crying from the shock it gave me. I asked my mother what had happened which she quickly concluded was stress (she had been fostering stray kittens and adopting them out), and that Grayson was put off his food from that, but since the kittens were gone that he should be improving. I didn't believe he was eating, but he sure was drinking a lot. He has always had a fascination with the bathroom faucet, but it escalated into an obsession.

    What ended up a major conflict with my mom and me not believing her story, I took Grayson to the vet a few days later. I didn't care what excuses anybody had to say for not taking him sooner, I was lucky to get home when I did. The vet advised me that Grayson was severely diabetic and that he wouldn't make it to the end of next month if action wasn't taken, he would have starved to death. The blood work came back with a 27. I called my mom from the vet office and she hung up on me, and I broke down in the vet office completely lost about what to do. I am not in a financial situation where I can afford a diabetic cat, and neither is my mom. I don't live at home anymore and I'm terrified to leave when I do fearing that it might be the last time I see my cat alive.

    I couldn't afford insulin, but I left the vet office with a prescription for Glyburide oral pills and a trip to the pet store to buy canned Fancy Feast. I stayed home for a little while to make sure Grayson was getting his pills every 24 hours and eating, and managed to convince my mom to follow the routine that I set up. Grayson's attitude perked up and he started acting normal again. Fast forward to now, I have returned home for a couple days and although Grayson isn't hiding out, he still hasn't put on much weight. I'm not sure how well these pills are working, if at all, he is eating and drinking plenty but just isn't putting on the weight. I suppose it is worth noting that he lives in the house with a senior dog (they have been best friends since puppy/kittenhood) and two other cats (1 male & 1 female, younger ~ 1 yr old). He has been being put into a separate room for feeding time (+2 times a day) so his food isn't being pirated by the others and gobbles it down happily. Sometimes he doesn't always finish.

    I'm still worried about his condition and I believe he needs insulin injections, but money is a really big issue. How long does it take for a skeleton cat to start putting weight on again? I thought 3 months would be enough, but not much has changed except for a happier attitude and clearer eyes. Please help me, I'm at a loss. I've never had experience with diabetes, either human or animal. It breaks my heart seeing him like this, I'm still not used to it. He follows me around everywhere when I come home, I think he knows that I understand. I love him so much and I wish I could get him the help he needs.
     
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  2. Merlin

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    Oh Ryn, I am so sorry to hear about your dear sweet Grayson. I am so glad that you have found this place and am so glad that you took Grayson to the vet. Take a big, deep breath and you are about to learn so much about diabetes. You will be able to help make Grayson feel better very soon.

    1) I have heard from folks in this forum of vets giving their patients the oral diabetic pill. Everything that I have read, says that this pill does not work. You need insulin in where you will give shots every 12 hours. That is the only way for Grayson to get back on the road to feeling better. There are a lot of people here that are from Canada and they can help you determine what insulin you can buy. Most folks here use Lantus, Levemir or ProZinc. There are other insulins out there too.
    2) You will need to begin home-testing. If you buy the pet meter and strips from the vet's office, it is very expensive. Most folks here use a human meter that costs around $15 and the strips are much cheaper than the pet meter.
    3) Testing will be needed before each shot and periodic tests in the middle of the 12 hours cycles. This way, you will know how well the insulin is working and it will also keep Grayson safe.
    4) Next, is to log your blood glucose numbers into a spreadsheet here. There are folks here that can help you set up the spreadsheet. You will be able to view all our spreadsheets. Our spreadsheets are in our signatures. Our spreadsheet instructions are here.
    5) You probably will need to change Grayson's diet. What is he eating now? We feed low carb, wet food here and eliminate all dry food.

    I was gone from home for six months and when I got home, I was shocked of how Merlin looked. As soon as I found this forum which was three months after he was diagnosed, Merlin started to improve. He gained weight and began walking better. I couldn't imagine that Merlin was ever going to get back to himself...but he did.

    There is so much information here and you will probably feel overwhelmed but hang in there. You will be in an expert before you know it.
     
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  3. Chris & China

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    You should contact Diabetic Cats in Need...they may be able to help you with insulin and testing supplies

    The "good news" is since you live in Canada, you can get insulin over the counter. Lantus and Levemir are both good insulins for cats and are available at human pharmacies.

    It will be important for you to learn to home test, so a meter and strips will be your biggest expense. I understand that although you can get insulin cheaper there, the strips for glucose meters are higher since you don't have access to a WalMart to get the Relion brand. If you have family that live in the states, you might see if they'd be willing to send you a meter and strips when you need them.

    If Grayson is eating dry food, switching to low carb (less than 10% carbs) canned food will help bring those numbers down too. Fancy Feast Pate's and Friskies pate's are both available in Canada and low carb (and I think you can get 9-Lives pate's too)

    Wishing you and Grayson the best!
     
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  4. Ryn & Grayson

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    Thank you so much for the responses. I will check out Diabetic Cats In Need.

    My mother is an extremely headstrong person, and I asked her if she would inject insulin if she had to and she outright told me "no" and that she can't commit to it. It threw me for a loop, because I don't live at home anymore (3+ hours away) and I'm only here so often. I wish I could take Grayson with me, but I can't bear to separate him from my aging dog, who is his best friend. I'm thinking that if I was able to get the insulin & syringes and be able to teach her what to do and how to do it, she might be more reasonable. It was the same thing with the pills - at first she refused, but now its routine. I was hoping the pills would be the solution, they're easy to give and affordable ($10/month).

    Grayson is being fed Fancy Feast wet food, however dry food is still offered 24/7 for the other cats so its still out there. I've tried to convince her to switch everything, but it didn't work so I'm grateful she is at least giving him the wet canned food. He eats two cans per day.

    I am leaving again today, but I'll be returning in September so I'm hoping he can hold out for a bit longer. I'll probably take him to the vet again then and get some advice from them as well. I just wish this was easy because its straining my relationship with my mom... I got my love of animals from her, which is why it hurt me so much to find out she didn't want to help me at first.
     
  5. Ryn & Grayson

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    I just talked to her again and she exploded at me, she will not ever inject insulin for him because "he doesn't need it, he's fine". His attitude and demeanor did improve, but he's still extremely thin. She's not comfortable injecting insulin and she's seen it with her sister's past diabetic dog and she doesn't want to go through that. I don't know what to do.
     
  6. BJM

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    When there isn't enough insulin, the food being eaten cannot be used. This results in the body breaking down its own fat and muscle in order to survive as long as possible. With an underweight cat, this isn't very long.

    The cat will adjust to not being around the dog; it is better than risking he starves to death. Take him with you. We'll coach you through it.


    Where, roughly, do you live?
     
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  7. Meya14

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    It sounds like your mother is in denial about the diabetes, and unfortunately, that is currently a dangerous home for him to be in at the moment. Giving insulin is actually easier than giving pills, but there are other things like blood sugar testing that go along with this. It might be worth taking him for a while to get him healthier and maybe your mother will be more receptive when she sees the change.
     
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  8. Jan Radar

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    If Greson were mine I wouldn't hesitate to take him with me. Whatever assistance you need to help Greyson get better can be found here. Greyson needs you and insulin more than he needs his doggie buddy.
     
  9. Louellen

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    A fellow Canadian! :) Hi there. :)

    First of all, let me say that you do have a lot on your plate and I'm SO sorry that your relationship with your mom is so strained with her stubbornness and refusal to inject or test.

    May I say that right now, you will likely be very overwhelmed with all that is being put in front of you and not knowing what to do or even HOW to do it all...especially, expense wise. I think that there is financial help available that you may qualify to get and help you get Grayson onto injections.

    I know what you are saying about the idea of taking him away from his "best friend" but...in all reality...without those injections and testing, he's in grave danger as the pills might help somewhat but, they won't take care of the diabetes. Insulin injections for cats are really, the only thing that will save their lives.

    As someone else has said in this thread....if Grayson were mine...I'd likely be taking him with me too. I don't think I'd be as worried about his attachment to your dog as I would about saving his life. Grayson WILL form an attachment to you and be ok. It sounds as though he's being over-run with other pets and fearing not getting his share of even food at times. I'm thinking that perhaps, his life there, isn't as "peachy" as you may think it is??? Honestly, I think he *might* do MUCH better if he is with you and being treated properly for his diabetes???

    Of course, none of us can answer that for you totally as it's YOUR cat and YOUR life but, just being honest in thinking that perhaps, you taking Grayson with you, might be the best course of action, given your mom's stance on all of this. And, yes...it IS a commitment. No doubt. And, it does require a lot of patience and willingness to follow the regime necessary but, totally DOABLE as evidenced by tons of members in here already. :) It's not that hard to do once you get used to it but, given that your mom is so resistant to it...she might not follow through with things even were she willing and Grayson could end up dead from going hypo if not watched properly.

    To begin...I would check into the financial help first. See if you can swing the insulin. Honestly, here in Canada...the cost is NOT that great. With Lantus pens...it works out to something like $25/month as you can keep going on 5 pens for about 6 or more months when refrigerated. :) The syringes are about $34.00/box of 100 and will last you nearly 2 months. The ONLY thing that gets a little expensive is the strips for the meter. The meter comes FREE when you buy the strips (Walmart carries them more cheaply than any pharmacy) and there's so many good meters that are cheaper on the strip costs that if you get a bit of financial help...are totally doable. Some range at $40 for 100 strips or less and there are places to order online if you need to for less than that. So, I think that for possibly about $50-$75/month....you can treat this yourself. :) Foods are also cheap for diabetes. NO need to go prescription foods. Fancy Feast, 9 Lives, Friskies, Special Kitty (Walmart), Purina Pro Plan...all are about $0.68 per can and less when you catch them on sale at any supermarket/grocery store.

    It's totally doable! :)

    But, maybe...you won't want to wait until September to take him with you??? I'm thinking that perhaps, once you've gotten things in order to take him...a trip back to pick him up and take him with you might be wise. I think others are thinking the same thing.

    Again though....this isn't a "guilt trip". This is purely a realistic look at how to deal with things from people who are going through it too.

    HUGS :bighug: :bighug: :bighug:
     
  10. Ryn & Grayson

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    Thank you all so, so much for your advice.

    I had to leave my mom's house today and I wasn't able to take him with me. There isn't much I can do right now - my current job contract ends at the end of August and I will be moving again, the next few months are going to be hectic for me. Before I left, I asked my mom to feed him as much as possible, he ate 3 cans today with me - I'm hoping this will be okay for him until I am back in the area. I do believe she's in denial, she blames it a lot on "old age" but he's only 13. We've had cats in the past that were in their 20s!

    I'm assuming that there are different types of insulin to give, I suppose it would be worth a try calling the vet and asking what he was thinking of going with instead of the pills? I think I can afford $50/month. I'll have to do a bit of research.
     
  11. Sue and Oliver (GA)

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    BCP PZI is the cheapest good insulin. Your vet can get a free sample but it usually takes a couple weeks. It is a compounded insulin that acts similar to ProZinc. If you buy it outright, you need the vet to call and give them a prescription but you can get it in a few days. It should be about $50.
     
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  12. BJM

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    Is there any friend near your mom who could help out? Bring him to you, maybe?
    The reality is that in 5 weeks of untreated diabetes, he could be dead of starvation. It would be more humane to euthanize him than let him suffer like that.
     
  13. Louellen

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    I would echo BJM's idea...any friends that you still have around your mother's house who *might* be willing to help you out in the short term? By that, I mean...anyone who you would be able to say, "please do me this favour and go give Grayson his shots twice a day and test him until I can get back in a month? I'll owe you a big favour!" Or, bring him to you???

    Would your mom be willing to allow someone else to come into her home to do it twice a day? Or, would you be able to find a "foster parent" for Grayson who might be willing to take him in and take care of him until you can get back? Or, someone to drive him out to you?

    I know that we're throwing a lot at you and you need to take a couple of days to figure out how to work all of this and look into things but, if you can, the sooner you can do this, the better the possible outcome for Grayson. I'm sure it all feels like we're "pushing" you but, we're really not. We're simply trying to offer up suggestions that might save his life.

    I am so sorry that you're in this difficult position. It's not an easy scenario but, I guess it will all depend on how far you are willing to go with this to save Grayson's life.

    And, if you absolutely can't swing looking after Grayson for whatever your reasons and your mom won't do it (as evidenced) then, perhaps, you can check into re-homing Grayson to someone who is willing to care for him and love him and take his best interests at heart. I think that might be easier on him and you rather than the ultimate of watching him suffer or having him euthanized, right?

    Take a couple of days, think it all over, make some calls, think about people who may help you or who may take Grayson in or even adopt him if you can't do this. :bighug:Let us know what you decide but, something has to be changed or done for his sake. There really isn't much of a choice here.
     
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  14. Rachel

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    I'm so sorry to hear what you're going through. I remember when Gypsy was diagnosed, I sobbed right there in the vet's office. But in the end, her diabetes was very treatable. I found it took maybe an extra 30 minutes at most out of my normal day. And that was spread out throughout the day! She came running for her tests (and the treats!) and her shots never seemed to even bother her.

    Trust us all when we say this is treatable. Grayson could live a good, long life. However, right now, he needs to get away from there. You could probably get a cheaper insulin like Sue suggested (cheap not meaning bad...just cost effective!). However, left untreated, he could have very bad medical side effects, and could die. I don't want to guilt trip you here either. However, if you can't take him with you NOW, please rehome him. It's kinder than allowing him to slowly starve for the next 5 weeks. Even if he lives, he'll be miserable. Please, please, find a foster home for him or a home willing to adopt him outright if you can't take him.
     
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  15. Critter Mom

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    If you could manage to get Grayson to stay with you - or with a foster caregiver - for even a few weeks, his health could improve so much with insulin treatment in that time. If your mother then sees him healthier maybe she may come around?

    Whatever you decide, you really need to do something to help Grayson now. A few weeks away from his doggy friend won't do any harm. Grayson really needs insulin. I hope you can both find a way through this. I don't envy your situation.

    ((Ryn and Grayson))
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  16. Mitzelplik's Mom

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    @Ryn, I'm so sorry to hear what a terrible dilemma you're in with Grayson! You might try contacting Diabetic Cats in Need https://www.facebook.com/DiabeticCatsInNeed or http://fdmb-cin.blogspot.com/ to see if they can help. Where is Grayson located? There might also be other FDMB members nearby who could either help your mom or foster Grayson.
    Keeping you and Grayson in my thoughts and praying for a good outcome!

    Joan
     
  17. Robin&BB

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    Many good suggestions in the posts above, so I won't chime in ... except to say that I feel for you being stuck in such a difficult situation, so am sending my sympathy & good thoughts in the hope that you will find a workable solution that will save Grayson from further ravages of diabetes.
    :bighug:
     
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  18. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Hi Ryn and Grayson,.....from a fellow Canadian.

    Ryn, Where in Ontario are you?

    I believe the Toronto Cat Rescue group has an assistance program too. I don't have any specifics about it but it certainly would be worth looking into to get some assistance. There is also the Farley Foundation.org.

    I can only echo everyone else's comments. It's so obvious you love Grayson and want to do the best for him but it is equally obvious that Grayson needs appropriate treatment ASAP. You are in a horrible situation and my heart goes out to you and Grayson. We've all been through that initial shock of finding out our kitties have diabetes but we all know now it is treatable and doesn't need to shorten a cat's life. We also know it takes a commitment to treat a diabetic cat albeit a small one, so if you can't do it yourself, convince your Mom to do it or find a friend to do it, please consider re-homing him. :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug: to you and Grayson!
     
  19. pevsfreedom

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    Stupid question incoming:

    Does amazon ship to Canada? I use Bayer contour next meter & strips and they are 100 strips for $25 on amazon. great deal, but I'm in US.
     
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  20. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    @pevsfreedom - Amazon may ship them here but by the time customs and the government get their take plus shipping, I doubt there are any savings to be had and it might even be more expensive than buying here. Your Bayer Contour strips run around $76.00 /100 here on the website below. They are more if bought retail.

    The cheapest strips available here are for the Bravo meter at this website. Bravo meter comes free with the purchase of strips. While the US price for insulin is high compared to Canada, you get far better pricing on strips.
     
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  21. pevsfreedom

    pevsfreedom Well-Known Member

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    Time to start an international strip and insulin trading mafia.
     
  22. Chris & China

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    @pevsfreedom ....it looks like you live in LA....there should be no problem with Amazon shipping to you.

    Another option would be for you to switch to the Relion brand Confirm or Micro from WalMart...Not sure if you'd always be able to get that deal on Amazon (that IS a great price though)
     
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  23. pevsfreedom

    pevsfreedom Well-Known Member

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    Oh no I was making a joke about getting the insulin from Canada, and I send them strips! :) Insulin here is $330 a vial but luckily thanks to your recommendation I ordered some online (from Canada) for about $165. Last time I bought strips was 300 (6 boxes) for $68, which is a fantastic deal. I'd be out of luck without the deals I find on amazon/ebay for diabetic purposes.
     
  24. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    @pevsfreedom - I'm game. When do we start? While we're at it, we need one for pet food up here too! Dismal selection here in comparison to US!
     
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  25. pevsfreedom

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    You can't just make raw food out of all the moose? :p
     
  26. Critter Mom

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    Hi Ryn,

    Checking in to see how things are with you and Grayson.

    :bighug:
     
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  27. Liliana Treeman

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    I have bottle of lantus that should last about 9 months
    I can send it to you,but you must investigate the way to do it
    Let me know
    Liliana
     
  28. Louellen

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    ROFLMAO!!!! My snow shoes are in being re-strung right now!!! LOL LOL LOL ;)
     
  29. Louellen

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    I will second that Mr.Worfmen'sMom!!!! I'm in too!
     
  30. BJM

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    I need to know if Ryn is serious about it and going to use it.
    I paid over 300$ and want to make sure that some poor kitty can benefit from it
    Don't want to waste it
    Let me know
     
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  32. Ryn & Grayson

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    Hi all, sorry I've been away the last couple of days.

    I am interested in the Lantus, but I'm a bit apprehensive about what to do. Do I need to take him to the vet first? I'm still a bit nervous about the application of it, and if something goes wrong. I'd like the veterinarian to show me what to do, but I'm unable to pay them $200 for a visit and another $100+ for the materials...

    Right now I'm in Windsor, Grayson is in the Hamilton region.
     
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  33. Ryn & Grayson

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    Is it possible to find out what type of diabetes he has just from blood work?
     
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  34. Ryn & Grayson

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    Sorry for the triple post, but since I'm in Windsor I am literally around the corner from the US/Canada border. I could make a day trip to Detroit and visit a WalMart to get some materials I will need before I move. If anyone from Canada can chime in, what is worth buying in the US compared to here?

    And also... is it legal for me to "import" said things back into Canada?
     
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  35. BJM

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    The treatment approach is pretty similar. Both require insulin and do better on a low carb diet.
    The adult onset may be reversible with low carb diet and a period of insulin.


    If you can hit a WalMart in the US, the Relion Confirm or Confirm Micro and test strips are inexpensive and for personal use, so you should be able to bring them back to Canada.
     
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  36. Liliana Treeman

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    Ryn
    From my recent experience I must tell you that if you want to do it right your cat must be with someone who will do the job
    I did it ,and it was not easy.In my case it didn't work,but each case is diffrent.
    The Shots are very easy,but the vet and
    Other things are expensive.please let me know if you can do it and I gladly send you the insulin
     
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  37. Critter Mom

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    You do need to have Grayson registered with a vet. You do need some veterinary supervision when treating a cat with insulin and also have veterinary cover should an emergency arise (e.g. DKA, severe hypo episode). However to keep vet costs down:

    1. Feed an inexpensive low carb food like Fancy Feast pat├ęs.

    2. Get supplies for a hypo kit - some Gravy Lovers variety food, honey or karo, some high carb treats.

    3. Get some Ketodiastix to monitor for ketones (dip into Grayson's urine every few days).

    4. Set up an FDMB spreadsheet to record Grayson's BG test results.

    5. Do your own daily home blood glucose monitoring and glucose curves using a reasonably priced meter like the Relions recommended by BJ above. (Home curves give better data for dosing decisions than vet office ones since they reduce the chance of vet / travel stress falsely elevating Grayson's BG.)

    6. Follow an evidence-based dosing protocol (Tight Regulation or Start Low/Go Slow) and - assuming you're using Lantus - post on the Lantus and Levemir Insulin Support Group board so that experienced Lantus users will be able to support you and answer any questions you might have on a day-to-day basis.


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  38. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    BJM is correct that you can take diabetic supplies for personal use across the border however there are a couple of caveats to that idea.

    First you will not have insulin with you so if you happen to get searched, you'd be hard pressed to say the supplies are for personal use. Also, you'd be suspect with a large supply of strips if you only make a day trip.

    Secondly, buying a meter not available here would mean getting strips on an ongoing basis will require more trips to the US again hoping not to get caught. If you move away from a border town later on, how convenient is that going to be ?

    If you buy a meter available here and want to take advantage of cheaper strips in the US that might work but I wouldn't suggest buying a meter such as the Relion because then you have no option but to cross the border for strips.
     
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  39. Ryn & Grayson

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    Does someone from Canada know of any brands that I can get here? I'm trying to get a list together of everything I need.

    I need strips and a metre
    Lantus + syringes(?), which also raises the question: what is a Lantus pen and are they reuseable?
    Keto Diastix, will these be something that is used every day or occasionally?
    And of course the wet food.

    I don't feel too comfortable getting right into it without the advice of a vet. Is home treatment something they frown upon when I don't buy their supplies? The last thing I want to do is accidentally give him a higher dose than necessary.
     
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  40. Critter Mom

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    Oops! Didn't twig that you are in Canada, Ryn. :oops:
     
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  41. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    @Liliana Treeman - I just noticed you are in the US. Ryn is in Canada. I think you need special documentation to get drugs across the border so I don't think Ryn can take advantage of your offer. Perhaps you should put a note on the Supply forum board. I'm sure there are folks in the US who could benefit from your generosity.

    @Ryn It would be best for you to contact Diabetic Cats in Need if you can sort out who will provide the ongoing care Grayson needs (yourself or a friend). Are you now considering taking Grayson to Windsor with you? If so someone from DCIN in that area may be able to demonstrate testing and shots?

    I think you need to figure out the ongoing care first. Once that is sorted, DCIN will provide testing equipment and insulin but I presume they would need a vets approval.
     
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  43. Ryn & Grayson

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    I am on the phone with the veterinary office right now to discuss other options than the Glyburide. They want him to come in for another exam so they can get the dosage and (of course) they recommend "buying the insulin here, its not the same as human insulin"?

    I'm going to try my hardest to take Grayson with me so that I can look after him from September and through the winter. Hopefully he will start looking and feeling better and my mom might change her mind.
     
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  45. Ryn & Grayson

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    Okay so... they want him to come in for a $45 exam. The bottle of insulin costs $45 and is called "Caninsulin". Then they'll want him to stay overnight at some point to do a glucose curve where they do 4-5 blood glucose checks and that costs $75 but I'm guessing I can do that at home.

    Has anyone heard of Caninsulin before?
     
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  46. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Did they say what kind of insulin (Caninsulin or ProZinc)? Both of those are less expensive than Lantus but the monitoring and feeding schedules with those insulins are a little less flexible. On the other hand, the shot times with Lantus are less flexible.

    The main thing right now is to get Grayson on an appropriate treatment plan and any of these insulins are a step in the right direction. :)
     
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  47. Critter Mom

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    Yep. We can help with Caninsulin, too. (My Saoirse was treated with both.)

    Maybe explain that finances are tight (whose aren't these days). They may want to run the first curve themselves as a safety measure (and possibly for legal reasons), but going forward there is no reason why you can't do curves at home. Indeed, the reduced likelihood of vet stress influencing BG tends to make home curves a better evidence base for making dosing decisions.

    As Linda suggests, try DCIN to see if they can help with the fees for the first curve, insulin Rx, etc.
     
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  48. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Sorry for the cross post. Caninsulin is used by some vets and there are users on this board so you will be able to get support here with that choice.

    Yes you can do the glucose curve at home and you will get a more accurate curve doing so as stress at the vet will elevate most cat's readings.
     
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  49. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    @Critter Mom - I am not sure. I'm aware of one cat benefiting and know they supply meters, strips and insulin. I would assume vet costs would be included but could be wrong. There is another organization called the FarleyFoundation who might assist with vet costs too but again I just know they exist but not exactly what costs they will cover.
     
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  50. Ryn & Grayson

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    OK. I'm trying to come up with a game plan. Thank you all so very much for your responses.

    I am traveling to Toronto on the 3rd. I can possibly make room in my schedule to get him to a vet on the 5th, if they're able to fit me in. My mom is going to be furious but oh well. It might be possible for me to bring him back to Windsor after the appointment, but I have some concerns. I live in a very small bachelor apartment currently, and my vehicle isn't exactly the most comfortable for transporting animals (very bumpy/windy/noisy, no air conditioning for 3.5+ hours), and Grayson has never been anywhere else other than the home he is currently living in. I'm worried this will be too much for him in such a small time-frame. And then I will be moving again at the end of August. I'm trying to outweigh the costs/benefits of all this but I definitely know that he needs the Caninsulin.
     
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  51. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I think Grayson will be fine for the trip if you do a bit of pre-planning.

    Take a cooler with some ice packs with you. You can put these under a towel or whatever in his carrier to help keep him cooler on the trip and make a stop or two to change them out for cooler ones.

    The little fellow may need water enroute anyway so take some bottled water in the cooler too along with a bowl.

    And if he drinks he may need a potty stop along the way so if you get some incontinent pads (doggie pee pads) to put in his carrier, this won't be a worry other than a little cat cleaning once home.

    Oh yes and a plastic bag for any soiled incontinent pads!

    I'm sure Grayson will be fine with the ride as long as you keep him relatively comfortable. How is he usually in the car? I'm equally sure Grayson will be happy as a clam in your apt. He will start to feel much better with treatment and be grateful for that!

    My only other suggestion would be for us to set up a kitty railway for Grayson! :D
     
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    It can help to calm a cat if you put a blanket over the carrier while you're travelling. Chatting or singing to the cat can reassure them, too. :) Remember, too, that Grayson loves you. Your presence will help him feel a bit more secure.

    Re the apartment, a covered litter box with a square of carpet in front of it can help keep things tidier.
     
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    Okay. I'm going to call my mom later on, talk to my boyfriend, and call the vet tomorrow to make an appointment - they've just closed for the day. I'll report back with the plan... Fingers crossed this goes over well.
     
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  54. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Fingers toes and eyes crossed for you here!:bighug::D
     
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  55. Jan Radar

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    First, I want to :bighug: You for being so determined to help your little furbaby in spite of all the challenges you face. You are saving his life by getting him out of his current situation as soon as possible. He may not prefer living in a small apartment or moving or even riding in a noisy car but he will be with you. YOU are the most important piece of this puzzle. He does not have the power to get insulin or go to the vet. You have that power. I encourage you to use this uniquely human power and go get Greyson. Remember that all of us will be here to help you figure out the management part of the disease. You may feel overwhelmed at the moment but you are not alone! Hugs to you both.
     
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    May the universe move favourably for you and Grayson.

    If you need any moral support we've got that too! In spades ...
    :bighug::)


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    I hope for the best as well
    Love to see your kitty doing better
     
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  58. BJM

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    Just a note: Caninsulin/Vetsulin may not last a full 12 hours in cats, as it was developed in dogs which have a slower metabolism. You work with it if you can.
    And, we have a guide for using it here. The most important thing is you feed 30 minutes before your inject, as the onset of the insulin effects can be a bit harsh.
     
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  59. Chris & China

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    I know some people have had good results with Caninsulin, but if there's any way you can manage it, I'd go with Lantus or Levemir. They are human insulins and available at any pharmacy (and in Canada, they're a lot cheaper than they are in the US)

    Caninsulin can be very harsh with fast drops and then it wears off too soon. It was specifically designed for dogs (thus the "Canine" in the name) and works well for them, but not so great for most cats.

    While it would be preferable for you to have a vet that understood how to use Lantus or Levemir, the people here have years of experience with it and can help guide you in dosing.

    I don't know if it would help or not, but here's a paper on "Management of diabetic cats with long acting insulin" that your vet might be interested in reading

    Whatever you decide, we'll all be here to help support you and your extra sweet Grayson!
     
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  60. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I did a quick calculation of the costs for Lantus here in Canada. I recently bought the pen cartridges (package of 5) for $107.76 at Walmart.

    It works out to about $10.00 per month at a dose of 2u twice daily or $15.00 per month at 3u twice daily.

    The Caninsulin works out to about $15.00 per month for 2u twice per day or $22.00 per month for 3u twice daily.

    So while the Caninsulin appears cheaper, it really isn't based on a per unit calculation. The difference really is in the initial cost to buy the insulin.
     
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  61. Critter Mom

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    And there lies the rub. Having experienced penury personally, sometimes one has to go with what one's cash in hand can manage. Just as sometimes the right food is the one a kitty can eat, the right insulin is the type one can afford.
     
  62. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Checking to see if some free Levemir and a meter from Canada are still available!
     
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  63. Ryn & Grayson

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    I think for now I will go with the Caninsulin and what the vet advises, and once I start getting the hang of things and I settle into my new job I can start looking into Lantus, as it seems to be the most popular choice here.

    Are lancets sold separately from the strips/metres?
     
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  64. BJM

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    Yes.
    And we have some finagles to help work around any issues you find with it.
     
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  65. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Ryn, If you want to hold off for the moment on the meter, we may be able to get you one free from one of our Canadian members (I'm checking to see if it's still available). It is a US Relion but it will get you started and you can get those strips in Detroit. We'll have to check where she has been getting strips as she is in the GTA so not an easy trek to the border. The lancing device and a very small supply of lancets (10-12) usually come with the meters so you'd have to buy more lancets and the strips are sold separately.
     
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  66. Critter Mom

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    I don't know whether the set-up's the same in Canada, but in the UK ebay is a great place to find good prices on diabetes supplies.
     
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  67. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    eBay can be a great place to find some bargains but I'm not sure how good it is when ordering from a US vs Canadian merchant having never done so myself thus my comment re: finding out how strips were being obtained for the US meter being used here in Canada.
     
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  68. Ryn & Grayson

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    I just wanted to take some time to say a big :bighug: THANK YOU :bighug: again for everyone's help and understanding. This is such a difficult and emotional situation for me. This community has moved me to tears, but this time in a good way. I'm learning a lot and looking forward to seeing Grayson again in the next few days. I'm hoping he can wait for me, because I can't wait to see him and get this under control once and for all. I don't feel so alone anymore.
     
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    Good! You're not. We'll be here for you and Grayson every step of the way.

    :bighug: (Ryn and Grayson) :bighug:


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    Dear Ryn, I am moved to tears myself as the Grayson drama has unfolded here to such an awesome point!! I came looking to see how things were going with Grayson and YOU and I was so delighted to see your decision!!
    I am very proud of you and your dedication, navigating all these hurdles that you are facing, physically and emotionally. I really believe tackling each thing, day by day and staying in contact here, and EVERYTHING will fall into place. Grayson will feel that, and settle right in, just being with you. I just know it.
    So overjoyed to hear this news, and I am keeping you both, and all efforts in my prayers.
    You can do it!! :bighug: Love to Grayson!!
     
  71. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Ryn, Grayson is lucky to have such a loving Bean (human)! :D Your story moved me to tears too and I couldn't be happier to see the pieces to your "puzzle" start coming together for you both. There is a remarkable group of people on this board to help you learn the steps to the sugardance and you will never feel alone here. :bighug::bighug:
     
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  72. Wendy&Tiggy(GA)

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    You can get a box of 5 lantus pens at Costco for $99 and it will last you a couple of years.

    You could also get a free bayer meter from bayer if you go here, comes with 25 free strips. Http://www.bayerdiabetes.ca/BDoffer and use code BDS 01-14 (just guess at the diabetes questions)

    Strips are more expensive but again you can usually find cheaper ones on eBay.

    Even if you don't want to use the bayer meter I would order one anyway and sell it on kijiji lol.
     
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  73. Wendy&Tiggy(GA)

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    Ryn, I also still have one vial of levemir and the relion meter. Please send me a PM if you want them so we can work out shipping issues.

    Note though that levemir is very strong so you would have to start on a very small dose and testing is crucial.

    In terms of strips, I drive across the border to Niagara Falls NY and pick up a pile of boxes at one time. I have also occasionally seen them for sale on eBay vendors who ship across the border but it's unusual.

    Where in Ontario do you live?
     
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  74. Ryn & Grayson

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    @Wendy&Tiggy(GA) - right now I am in Windsor, I will moving to the Hamilton region in September. I am on my way to the Hamilton area tomorrow evening for a couple of days, and to pick up Grayson.

    And crap, guys, I screwed up... I forgot that it was a long weekend here in Canada, so the vet office is closed until TUESDAY! :banghead: I was hoping to get an appointment for Wednesday, but now I'm a bit worried they can't fit me in. Can this be considered an emergency situation?

    I want to get the strips and a metre and start testing ASAP so I can start understanding what is going on inside my furry ball of sugar. I'm getting anxious, come on Monday! (Pretty sure I'm the first person in history to say that!)
     
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  75. Critter Mom

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    You could justify it. The sooner Grayson gets help, the better.

    I'd recommend getting some urine test strips, too, to check Grayson's pee for ketones. If you get a positive TRACE result, post here for advice. If you don't get an answer, or if you get a reading higher than TRACE then you do need to get Grayson to the vets for help straight away (DKA can develop very, very quickly).
     
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  76. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Try these two coupon links for free meters. I know there may be folks here who are not keen on the Freestyle meters from past experience however this one has a very good accuracy record now according to recent independent testing.

    https://www.bayercare.ca/EN/coupons/ConNext_Coupon_EN.pdf

    http://adc.mpdev.ca/media/library/2014/07/04/ADC_Coupons_FSL_E.pdf

    The strips for both of these meters run around $76.00/100 strips. Possibly available cheaper at Costco??

    I agree with Aine. You can justify this as an emergency. Once you are at the office, they'll be hard pressed not to help!:smuggrin:

    And your enthusiasm is wonderful!:bighug::bighug:
     
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  77. Critter Mom

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    On the emergency justification. At higher blood glucose levels, little Grayson's organs aren't going to be doing their best. Also, it increases his chances of developing diabetic neuropathy and kidney/other organ damage.

    And I agree with Linda and others: it is wonderful to see your love for, and dedication to, Grayson. :bighug:
     
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  78. Ryn & Grayson

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    Thank you!!! The coupon in the second link has expired, but the first link still seems to be good. I'll swing by a pharmacy today and see if I can pick it up with some strips. I was surfing Amazon and it seems I can get a pack of 100 strips for about $25.
     
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  79. Critter Mom

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    Go Ryn! :D

    :bighug:
     
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  80. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    OOOPS! Sorry 'bout that ! I assumed since it was still online it was good. Didn't think to check the date! DANG!:arghh:
     
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  81. Ryn & Grayson

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    I picked up the glucose metre today. I tested it on myself to get the hang of it and it seems pretty easy. I've completely run out of money so the ketodiastix will have to wait...

    I have a question about food. I've been doing some more reading and I'm scaring myself about hypoglycemia. Right now, Grayson is eating Fancy Feast canned wet food, and there is dry kibble that is left out 24/7 for the other cats, and I'm sure Grayson grazes on it throughout the day. Is this okay to leave out for him? Or is eating it completely defeating the purpose? When I start giving insulin and I leave the house, I don't want to come home to a comatose (or dead) cat, is the kibble okay to leave out just in case? I'm freaking myself out..
     
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  82. Chris & China

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    You need to get rid of the kibble...other than 2 very expensive dry foods (which you can't get in Canada from what I've seen) they're all too high in carbs and defeat the purpose

    The reason we home test is to keep kitty safe....by home testing, you'll be much more in control of where his blood glucose is going and can intervene when necessary. As you learn his patterns, you'll learn when it's important to leave higher carb canned food out for him to eat if you're not going to be there too

    Don't worry yourself sick over hypo's...we're not going anywhere and there's still a lot for you to learn and as you start to absorb more and more of the advice we'll be giving you, you'll understand more about how to keep your sweet Grayson safe (other than leaving out high carb kibble!)
     
  83. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Hi Ryn,

    You are already way ahead of the game here so relax. The Fancy Feast Classics (pates) are one of best options for Grayson. As far as wanting to have some higher carb food around just in case, Fancy Feast Gravy Lover or the Chunks in gravy will do the trick.

    Kibble is too high in carbs so best to keep it out of the mix entirely. Unfortunately here in Canada we cannot get any kibble low enough in carbs to be ideal. And it's impossible to do anything but smuggle it across the border because the customs agents will confiscate any pet food unless you have the pet who is going to eat it with you in the car!

    Some folks freeze the canned food and leave out catfoodsicles (new word) for kitty to eat for those mid day munchies or they add more water to the food to keep it from drying out. Others have automated feeders but those are going to set you back some cash too so not something you need immediately but may want to consider later!

    You may find that your vet will suggest two meals a day before each insulin shot anyway.
    So for now you can just stock up on Fancy Feast pates and a few cans of Gravy Lover or the Chunks in gravy and you'll be good to go! Walmart usually has Fancy Feast for something like 60 cents a can.

    Don't fret over hypoglycemia. You are in a far better place than most folks because you already have him eating a good diet. The vet will start Grayson on a small dose to begin with and as you monitor Grayson's glucose you will become familiar with how the insulin works for him and there are some very experienced folks here who will help you keep Grayson safe.

    One step at a time! Good to put a hypo kit together but don't let the possibility of needing it start making you crazy.
     
  84. BJM

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    Dropping the kibble and high carb food may reduce the glucose from 100-300 mg/dL and reduce the insulin dose 1-2 units, depending on the cat.
    Make any new food changes slowly - 20-25% different food per day - to avoid GI upsets (diarrhea, vomiting) and food refusals.
     
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  85. Critter Mom

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    Hi Ryn,

    Great to read about the progress you're making. :bighug:

    If you can get the kibble out of Grayson's diet before giving insulin it will make things easier. However, if he's still getting some kibble when your vet decides on the starting dose you'll need to be a little more careful with the transition. As BJ says above, when the kibble is removed Grayson's insulin needs are more than likely to reduce. You should not try to remove the kibble before you're home testing Grayson's BG. Once you're able to monitor BG, you'll be able to manage the food transition and any dose adjustments smoothly and safely. Remember that we'll be here with you every step of the way. :)


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  86. Ryn & Grayson

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    There shouldn't be a problem weaning him from the kibble, I will leave that food with my mom (although I'd prefer if she didn't give it to any of the cats at all), he seems to enjoy the wet stuff much more. This is really opening my eyes to how we feed our animals.

    So there should be no problem with leaving some extra canned food out for him? He's always been a grazer. But yes, when I take him to the vet he will probably have some kibble in his system, its unavoidable right now. Would it be wise to monitor him and his intake for a few days before shooting? He's extremely underweight and fragile, I'm worried he's hardly getting any nutrition even with the Fancy Feast in his condition right now.

    I'm off to work and then headed back to Hamilton. I will stop in and check with Grayson, call the vet tomorrow, and crossing my fingers that my vet can see him on Wednesday before I take him back with me.
     
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  87. Critter Mom

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    Hi Ryn,

    Don't wait - Grayson's little body badly needs nourishment to help him get better, and the insulin will help his body to get the benefit out of his food. Give the insulin and start getting in BG tests (post when you're ready and we can guide you about the best times to test). I'd suggest letting him stabilize with the insulin and his current diet (don't want any tummy upsets on top of everything else!). It will take Grayson's body a few days to acclimatize to the insulin. Spend time gathering data. Then a gradual food transition so that you can monitor the BG and reduce insulin dose as required. We'll be here to help.

    Give Grayson some gentle scritches from me. :)


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  88. Critter Mom

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    Ryn - I know that finances are tight but if there is any way you might stretch to getting Grayson a B12 injection at the vets tomorrow, it could give him a bit of a boost.
     
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  89. Vegetable (GA)

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    @Ryn if you decide to give Grayson the can insulin I have a bunch of syringes that you can have, probably enough syringes to last at least a few months. I'm in BC but if you pm me your address I can pop them in the mail for you & you should have them within a week. I would offer the rest of the caninsulin I have left but it wouldn't really be worth it for the cost of shipping for the 1/4 of a bottle that is left.
     
  90. Critter Mom

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    Any news?

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  91. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    @Critter Mom - I think Ryn is picking up Grayson Tuesday or Wednesday and taking him to the vet on Wednesday. It's only Tuesday 1:30am here so there likely won't be any news till Wednesday. This is like reading a book and you can't wait to get to the next chapter isn't it?! :)
     
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    Absolutely, Linda. :)

    Thing is, I'm a terrible Ma Hen: I like to hear any news, even if it's that there's no news. :rolleyes::oops:
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  93. Ryn & Grayson

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    Grayson's vet appointment is tomorrow (Wednesday) at 10:15am.

    I tried to get to my mom's house last night to get his things together so we can grab everything and go, but she banned me from coming, says he "has nothing" and is still in denial about the whole situation. We aren't on speaking terms anymore, this has strained our relationship so much to this point and she refuses to help me. I had to re-buy everything that she won't allow me to take (litter box, food, dishes, etc). She's trying everything in her power to block me. I just want to help my cat, why is that wrong?

    To add, my boyfriend is being supportive and loving which I appreciate so much from someone who is slightly allergic to cats. He's ok with me bringing him to our little apartment and is willing to learn as well... he is new to this cat thing :) I'm not sure how comfortable Grayson is with him yet, he tends to ignore men, but its something new we can work with. I feel awful taking him out of the only place he has ever known for 13 years, but I don't have any other choice right now. He also has feline herpes which might flare up when he's stressed, he hasn't had a flare-up since his neuter when he was a kitten. I'm hoping things go smoothly...
     
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  94. Critter Mom

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    It isn't wrong. Quite the contrary: you are doing 100% the right thing.

    I'm really sorry that unnecessary obstacles are being thrown in your path but I have every faith in your ability to overcome them, Ryn. We're all hear in the wings with lots of moral support for when you need it. :bighug:

    I am heartened to hear how positive your boyfriend is being. :) It's great that he wants to learn along with you. Fingers and paws crossed that when Grayson is spending much more time in your boyfriend's company he'll 'warm up' a bit to him. :)

    I know it's going to be a bit of a change for Grayson, but I think it will be a positive one. He loves you and you love him. Home is wherever you're together. :)

    WRT the feline herpes, I've seen discussions about that on Feline Health before. If needed, I'm sure you'll be able to get some help and advice about that, too, should it become an issue. (Fingers 'n' paws crossed that it won't. ;)

    You are doing brilliantly!!! :)


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  95. Mitzelplik's Mom

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    Oh Ryn, I'm sorry your Mom is making this so difficult for you!! Like everyone here, I'm so thrilled you are standing up for Grayson and taking him with you. It will be stressful, but Grayson needs you and he will adjust. Hope all goes well at the vet tomorrow. They may tell you he needs special prescription food but this is not true. Just tell them you can't afford it. It tends to be very expensive and it's no better for him.
    We're all cheering you on!

    Joan
     
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  96. Mitzelplik's Mom

    Mitzelplik's Mom Member

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    P. S. YAY for supportive boyfriends!!
     
  97. Ryn & Grayson

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    I would be immensely grateful for anything you can donate! It would help me so much. I'll send you a PM.
     
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  98. Shiloh & Rhonda (GA)

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    Ryn, your mom isn't going to prevent you from taking Grayson is she? Although I am in the US, I will help in whatever way I can.
     
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  99. Ryn & Grayson

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    Hi everyone, I have Grayson with me and he's currently laying down in the middle of our apartment surveying his new surroundings for the next little while. I got the Caninsulin from the vet (his BG was 27 at the vet's office). They said 2 units twice a day.

    It's currently 7:30pm and I had planned to have his first dose done by now, but I am having such a hard time doing the ear prick, he's not having it at all. I did it with the help of the vet assistant in the office today, but I can't seem to get it here and I'm starting to annoy him. He ate a little bit once I opened his carrier. Please help?
     
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  100. Shiloh & Rhonda (GA)

    Shiloh & Rhonda (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Ryn, since you haven't started the insulin yet, you might want to just give him a little time to calm down and acclimate. He's been through a lot in a short amount of time. I know you wanted to start tonight, but maybe you both just need to relax for tonight? Just my two cents.
     
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