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  1. Maria cianciolo

    Maria cianciolo Member

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    My cat Max was diagnosed with diabetes last month. He is on Lantus 1 unit every 12 Hours. He is on DM right now and I m looking to get him on something higher in protein and lower in carbs. There are so many choices out there its overwhelming. Can anyone suggest the best wet cat food out there for diabetics. Tku.
     
  2. Wendy&Neko

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    In the US, there is a good list on the catinfo web site of Dr. Lisa Pierson, a nutrionist vet. Here is a link to the list. Click on the blue. You want foods under 10% carbs for a diabetic kitty. Any foods you have that are higher than 10% are good to keep around in case you need higher carbs if their blood sugar numbers go low. Are you home testing Max's blood sugars?
     
  3. Larry and Kitties

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    I feed the low carb varieties of Fancy Feast and Friskies. The low-carb Fancy Feast are the "classic" varieties if in the USA. For Friskies they are the pate varieties.
    Here is the most recent list of various canned foods and the carb content and other info
    http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/links-to-food-charts.174182/

    There are "better" foods like the low carb varieties of made by Weruva. Just note that Weruva and other high quality foods are a lot more expensive. Frieskies is acceptable quality and it reasonably priced.
     
  4. Maria cianciolo

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  5. Maria cianciolo

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    Tku for the. info. Yes testing him at home. His level at 5 30pm 1/14 was 267. Before 12 hour feeding and insulin. I didn't know if there was a one can that people preferred over the rest. I have karo syrup on hand if sugar levels get to low.
     
  6. Juls and Billy

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    Every cat is different, but my Billy loves all the Fancy Feast classic pates and the Friskies pates. Except the beef flavor ones, he hates those. We tried the Fancy Feast Naturals, because they are listed at 0 carbs, but like most of the 0 carb wet foods, the texture is gummy. None of my cats like that and Billy flat out said "that's not food and I'm not eating it!" My best advice is to try a variety of flavors and see what interests him.
     
  7. Wendy&Neko

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    I don’t feed Fancy Feast. So many kitties seem to like it, then will eat nothing else after that. It is rather high in phosphorus if a kitty has kidney issues. My girl did well on raw food, some manufactured, some made at home with a premix.
     
  8. Maria cianciolo

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    Thank you for the suggestions. I also have to b careful because Max is pro to crystals.
     
  9. Wendy&Neko

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  10. Maria cianciolo

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    I wonder if they have food that will kill two birds with one stone the diabetes and the UTIs
     
  11. Panic

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    Friskies used to have a food called Special Diet that was good for both problems but sadly they discontinued it a few years ago. I'm not sure what most people switched to after that. I think Wellness and possibly Wevura are low in both phos and carbs.
     
  12. Wendy&Neko

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    Absolutely, you just need a low carb/low phosphorus food. I had one kitty with urinary issues, and my Neko got kidney disease, which also needs low phosphorus. I fed raw food (no ground bone which is high in P). Look at the list I linked in post #2 for canned options. You want carbs under 10% and phosphorus under or as close to 200 as you can get on an As Fed basis. Many of the Weruva are good choices. This 2017 list is a little out of date now, but it also contains low carb/low phosphorus options.

    Make sure you add water to the canned food. You want to flush out the crystals. Extra water is good for diabetics too.
     
  13. Maria cianciolo

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    Tku. was just wondering what the majority of the people suggest. I appreciate the imput
     
  14. Maria cianciolo

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    Tku Wendy for you re input. I am also doing acupuncture for his diabetes and Max also has neuropathy which sometimes he walks good for a couple steps then rests. So heartbreaking for our fur babies.
     
  15. Wendy&Neko

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    Have you heard about Zobaline? You can also get it on Amazon. That and getting Max into good blood sugar numbers will help his neuropathy.
     
  16. Maria cianciolo

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    No never heard of it. who sells it.?
     
  17. Maria cianciolo

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    I m sorry. I see you said Amazon. Tks for the information.
     
  18. Maria cianciolo

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    I also give Max in the AM omega 3 fatty acids. Grizzly Salmon Oil.
     
  19. Wendy&Neko

    Wendy&Neko Senior Member Moderator

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    Zobaline is made by LifeLink. You can buy it from the manufacturer at the link I provided above, or buy from Amazon.

    Fish oil is a good anti inflammatory.
     
  20. Maria cianciolo

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    This is the picture of my baby. Found him in the woods 9 years ago. 15791401931615508229914822279086.jpg
     
  21. Maria cianciolo

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    with Zaboline should I b concerned then about giving him insulin?
     
  22. Wendy&Neko

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    Zobaline has no impact on his blood sugar. It just helps him get over the neuropathy. So no, do not worry about giving insulin.
     
  23. Maria cianciolo

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    Tku. You have no idea how much I appreciate this. I ve had cats 10 years ago that were both diabetics brother sister that had low blood sugar. Good thing I had Karo syrup on hand but that was a scary experience I don't want to go through again. That's why I am thankful for this grp.
     
  24. Maria cianciolo

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    How long do I give him Zobaline for. Forever?
     
  25. Maria cianciolo

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    Does anyone know how long after u give insulin will it reach its peak before starting to climb again? Max s blood at 5:30 this morning was 164. He usually gets 1 unit of Lantus. I gave him 1/2 unit instead of 1 unit. 10:35 am it was 109. will it continue to go down?
     
  26. Ann & Scatcats

    Ann & Scatcats Well-Known Member

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    He is at 109 at + 5 after 0,5 U Lantus

    Yes it can continue to go down.

    Can you test at +6, 11:30 ?
     
  27. Maria cianciolo

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  28. Maria cianciolo

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    Sorry its 1 CST. now. I ll ck it now. When will it start to go back up?
     
  29. Maria cianciolo

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    164 at 1:10 cst. starting to go back up
     
  30. Ann & Scatcats

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  32. Maria cianciolo

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    No I dont have a spreed sheet set up yet. This is all overwhelming. Tks for imput.
     
  33. Ann & Scatcats

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    Okay.

    This is how we do the insulin and bg records, the Spreadsheet is similar


    A.m pre-insulin

    +2 hours after a.m insulin

    +4 hours after a.m insulin

    +5 hours after a.m insulin

    +6 hours after a.m insulin

    +7 hours after a.m insulin

    +9 hours after a.m insulin

    +12 hours P.m pre-insulin


    It is the a.m pre-insulin bg, the peak bg, and p.m pre-insulin we try to know.
     
  34. Maria cianciolo

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    ok tks. I ll work on spreed sheet.
     
  35. Maria cianciolo

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    Does anybody have any opinions on Lotus chicken pate. grain free no carrageenan?
     
  36. Chris & China (GA)

    Chris & China (GA) Well-Known Member

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    Looks like it's too high. "Grain Free" doesn't mean "low carb"....they just replaced the grains with things like potatoes, sweet potatoes, peas and chickpeas.

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  37. Chris & China (GA)

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    Ingredients:

    Chicken, Chicken Broth, Chicken Liver, Peas, Natural Flavor, Agar-Agar, Tricalcium Phosphate, Whole Ground Flaxseed, New Zealand Green Mussel, Salmon Oil, Olive Oil, Blueberries, Asparagus, Carrots, Cranberries, Eggs, Salt, Sodium Tripolyphosphate, Calcium Sulfate, Kelp, Potassium Chloride, Taurine, Choline Chloride, Betaine, Zinc Proteinate, Iron Proteinate, Niacin, Vitamin E Supplement, Thiamine Mononitrate, Copper Proteinate, Manganese Proteinate, Sodium Selenite, Calcium Pantothenate, Vitamin A Supplement, Riboflavin, Pyridoxine Hydrochloride, Biotin, Vitamin B12 Supplement, Calcium Iodate, Vitamin D3 Supplement, Folic Acid.
     
  38. Maria cianciolo

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    So what is recommended that is high in protein low carb. Max is on DM right now
     
  39. Chris & China (GA)

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    Most of us feed our own cats plain old Fancy Feast Classics, Friskies pates or 9-Lives ground because they're under 10% carbs, easy to find and affordable.

    There are lots of other choices though. This FOOD CHART lists a lot of foods and their nutritional breakdown. You just need to choose foods that are less than 10% carbs.
     
  40. Maria cianciolo

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  41. Maria cianciolo

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    So with the smaller cans how much would u feed a 14.4 lbs cat. Right now he is eating 5.5 oz each feeding
     
  42. Chris & China (GA)

    Chris & China (GA) Well-Known Member

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    If you want to switch him to Fancy Feast, the cans are 3oz instead of 5.5....so if he's eating 5.5 twice a day, that's 11oz so you'd need to feed about 4 cans of Fancy Feast.
     
  43. Maria cianciolo

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    Does anyone kno if you can give zobaline orally instead of crushing it in food. Does it make a difference?. I wouldn't think so.
     
  44. Chris & China (GA)

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    Shouldn't matter one bit!
     
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