New Member/Need Advice

Status
Not open for further replies.

tam with Keith and Kass

Member Since 2015
Hi,

My name is Tammy and my son, Noah, and I are the owner of Keith, a 4-year-old cat, who was diagnosed with diabetes at the end of May of this year. Although it has only been 1-1/2 months, it has been like the longest roller coaster ride of our lives. I have had cats for most of my life, done cat rescue and have dealt with many issues from asthma, tumors, Addison's disease, given fluids for kidney disease, etc. I am not a novice when it comes to knowledge about cats and, since Keith's diagnosis, I have tried to read everything possible to find out the latest information about cats with diabetes. Dealing with my vet, who I have had for 13 years, has not been a positive experience. If not for DCIN coming and helping me, Keith would not be alive right now. I knew Keith was "not right", as he was losing weight and his urine had an extremely strong smell which reminded me of when my son was 9 and diagnosed with type 1 diabetes. My son and I have dealt with that for 13 years now and he is 22, takes 10-12 shots a day, is on 26 meds and has high functioning autism. My mother had type 2 and had both legs amputated and died at 62 from complications. Diabetes has been a ghost that has haunted me my entire life and a disease that has taken so much away. For us, there was life BD (before diabetes) and life AD (after diabetes). I've been a single parent and our pets are everything to us because we watched most of our family die through home hospice, stroke, and my mom from diabetes. Never in my life did I expect to have a diabetic cat. We have four cats. Keith (diabetic cat) and his brother Kurt are 4 and were rescues, Lyric is 3 and was also a rescue and Faith is 7 (she has three legs because she was born with severe birth defects and had to have one amputated). We don't have a lot and are an unusual family, but a family all the same.

My vet is/was a home vet and we have always agreed on everything and had a close relationship. I met her when I was doing cat rescue, as she was the vet the rescue used. We became close and even after I had to stop doing rescue because we lost our house, she remained our vet. She has been incredibly kind at times by giving discounts, helpful advice and teaching me things that I could do at home instead of having to be charged by a vet. Keith was tested on a Thursday the last week in May when my vet came and did a complete blood panel, including thyroid check, electrolytes and leukemia/FIV. She called the next morning and said the only thing abnormal with Keith was his blood sugar was 495 and he was a type 1 diabetic. I was shocked. She told me to take the weekend to think about it and she recommended it would be in my best interest and cost range to just enjoy him and explained he would lose more weight, eventually develop neuropathy and walk funny, become kind of "out of it" and probably slip into a coma and then she would come over to put him to sleep. She said he would not suffer. When I told my son this, he started crying and said that when he was diagnosed with diabetes at 9, I didn't just leave him or "put him to sleep" and Keith was a member of our family and we stick together. I started searching on-line and found DCIN, started reading articles off the boards and watched a video on how to test a cat's BG on the ear. I did that with Noah's ( my son) meter and Keith was 495. I called the vet and told her and she was annoyed that I tested him and told me I was supposed to "think about it" and not call until Monday. I said I wanted to treat him. She told me I would not be able to afford it and it would be too stressful, as with my son and his diabetes and other medical problems/autism, it was "too much for me." I was really hurt by this. I told her I could get the insulin and I didn't need prescription food for $40 a bag because I would switch Keith to Fancy Feast classic and DCIN had given me sheets with carb levels. She said she wasn't really comfortable with that but if I wanted to do it, she would have me wait two weeks and not check him during that time and made an appointment on June 12 to come and start insulin. If I did check him, I was to ignore whatever the numbers were no matter how high they were. I did not agree with that. That is when Jenna and Wendy from DCIN helped. Wendy came over that weekend and brought syringes, information and even a sock to heat up for Keith's ear. I was sent a meter just for Keith, a OneTouch Ultra, and Arkray, and we started him on insulin. The relationship with the vet deteriorated because she does not believe in home testing and only believes in using prescription food and doing curves in the clinic. I've had a lot of help and questions answered and overall Keith had been doing well but his numbers have never really regulated. Thursday, I called Jenna from DCIN because Keith was 531, vomited seven times, was dehydrated and I didn't know what to do or where to go. I went to an animal hospital with my notebook of numbers. Jenna approved the visit and is doing a fundraiser to help him. I consider myself fairly knowledgeable and intelligent and read and research extensively, but I have never been so frustrated by anything in my life and if it weren't for the help I've been given from DCIN and talking to others, I have no doubt Keith would be dead. I need advice because I can't bear to lose him. We love him so much and want to get him regulated because he is so gentle and my son is so bonded with him and we want to eventually work together and have Keith be a diabetic therapy cat to give back. I just am having a hard time getting a vet to listen. I know this was long and I will be posting in the health section. Thank you.

Keith has been up and down and we ended up at an animal hospital Thursday
 
Welcome to FDMB, the best place you never wanted to be.

You can treat your cat and manage the diabetes well enough that your cat will live a long and healthy life.

There are 4 things you'll need to manage your kitty's diabetes:
- You - without your commitment, the following won't work.
- Home blood glucose monitoring with an inexpensive human glucometer such as the WalMart Relion Confirm or Target Up and Up (the pet ones will break your budget!).
- Low carb over the counter canned or raw diet, such as many Friskies pates. See Cat Info for more info. If already on insulin, you must be home testing before changing the diet. Food changes should be gradual to avoid GI upsets - 20-25% different food each day until switched. There are 2 low carb, dry, over the counter foods in the US - Evo Cat and Kitten dry found at pet specialty stores and Young Again 0 Carb found online.
- A long-lasting insulin such as ProZinc, Lantus, BCP PZI, or Levemir.
 
Welcome Tammy, Noah and Keith,

I am so glad you have gotten help from DCIN. It seems that you are doing the right things - a good insulin, low carb food and testing. Have you seen our Lantus forum?

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/forums/lantus-glargine-levemir-detemir.9/

At the top of the page are stickies full of information about how to use and dose and care for the insulin.

Have you tested Keith's ketones? Is that why he went to the animal hospital? If so, it is the best place for him.. They can use additional insulin to bring down his levels.

Glad you found us and DCIN. You have given Keith the best possible chance at a good life.
 
Tammy, did you post previously? It seems the story about your son sounds familiar? Where are you located? If Kieth has not been started on insulin, check the Pantry forum. There is a member that has extra insulin to pass on as her kitty has passed.
 
Tammy, did you post previously? It seems the story about your son sounds familiar? Where are you located? If Kieth has not been started on insulin, check the Pantry forum. There is a member that has extra insulin to pass on as her kitty has passed.
Keith has been on Lantus insulin for 1-1/2 months now. We are in Wisconsin and have been receiving help from DCIN with Keith. I check his BG, check him for ketones and have been administering fluids.
 
Welcome Tammy, Noah and Keith,

I am so glad you have gotten help from DCIN. It seems that you are doing the right things - a good insulin, low carb food and testing. Have you seen our Lantus forum?

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/forums/lantus-glargine-levemir-detemir.9/

At the top of the page are stickies full of information about how to use and dose and care for the insulin.

Have you tested Keith's ketones? Is that why he went to the animal hospital? If so, it is the best place for him.. They can use additional insulin to bring down his levels.

Glad you found us and DCIN. You have given Keith the best possible chance at a good life.
I do check Keith for ketones and he was negative. I went to the animal hospital because he was dehydrated, vomiting a lot, his BG was 533 and rising and he seemed rather lethargic and just not responding like himself.
 
Welcome to FDMB, the best place you never wanted to be.

You can treat your cat and manage the diabetes well enough that your cat will live a long and healthy life.

There are 4 things you'll need to manage your kitty's diabetes:
- You - without your commitment, the following won't work.
- Home blood glucose monitoring with an inexpensive human glucometer such as the WalMart Relion Confirm or Target Up and Up (the pet ones will break your budget!).
- Low carb over the counter canned or raw diet, such as many Friskies pates. See Cat Info for more info. If already on insulin, you must be home testing before changing the diet. Food changes should be gradual to avoid GI upsets - 20-25% different food each day until switched. There are 2 low carb, dry, over the counter foods in the US - Evo Cat and Kitten dry found at pet specialty stores and Young Again 0 Carb found online.
- A long-lasting insulin such as ProZinc, Lantus, BCP PZI, or Levemir.
Thank you.
 
Tammy, sorry for the redundant questions. I re-read your posts and saw that he was on insulin. I am absolutely flabbergasted at the vet's response.
It has been frustrating just trying to find a vet that will actually listen and treat the cat. I know I'm not that experienced with diabetes in cats but remaining at those high numbers for a long period of time can't be good. I just want to get him regulated and find someone who does not think it is okay to be hyperglycemic. Why should I bring him in for a curve when I can do that at home and he won't be stressed out?
 
It has been frustrating just trying to find a vet that will actually listen and treat the cat. I know I'm not that experienced with diabetes in cats but remaining at those high numbers for a long period of time can't be good. I just want to get him regulated and find someone who does not think it is okay to be hyperglycemic. Why should I bring him in for a curve when I can do that at home and he won't be stressed out?
Tammy, no need to bring him in for a curve when you are doing it yourself. How much lantus does he get?
 
Do you want to give your city and state? Maybe someone knows an Fd friendly vet near you.

Your vet certainly sounds, at the very least,unfeeling. No, there is no reason to have a vet curve. Just tell her you will send a copy of the numbers you have gotten. We have a great color coded spreadsheet that makes data sharing easy. Here are the directions:

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...te-a-ss-and-link-it-in-your-signature.130337/

If it seems too complicated, click on my picture and start a private conversation. I have done lots of them for others and would be happy to make one for you.
 
Tammy, no need to bring him in for a curve when you are doing it yourself. How much lantus does he get?
He was at 4 units twice a day and this vet thinks it was too much, which is why she has me giving him 2.5 units twice a day for a week no matter how high the numbers go because she promised me he won't go into DKA, even though today he has been 385 at 9:00 when I gave him 2.5, 368 at 12:00 and 407 at 4:00.
 
She can't promise that.
Pick up some KetoDiaStix from the pharmacy and test his urine for ketones and glucose spilling. If you get more than a trace of ketones, it is an emergency.
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Back
Top