Pita's Dosing Party: 7

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  1. Caitlin M

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    141 AMPS, giving .2 units. I found this note I saved from someone (Rachel or Djamila?) that shows this suggestion:
    135+ give 0.2
    120-135 give 0.1
    NS under 120
    Gonna try to stick with this and see what happens. I'm wondering if hes bouncing a bit as well as his eating behavior this am was similar to remission. So I'll be doing lots of midday testing on my long weekend!
     
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    94 @+4
     
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    Might've been Janet :)
     
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    Whoever it was, I saved it cuz I liked it, so hopefully it will apply well again!
     
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    Errr, first test was 208 which shocked me, but I also knew I didn't get as much blood as usual. Tested again, got 131. Ugh, did a third and got 210. Averaged the 208 and 131, so PMPS was 169, gave .2 units. I hate when that happens!
     
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    Ugh! That's always annoying...
     
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    Wow, that's quite the range of tests! Hopefully he'll come down for you tonight.
     
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    Well, I slept at a friend's so I didn't get any tests. However, I got home, just tested and got 271. Pita ate his treats but is now sitting on my lap while his brother eats breakfast. He doesn't seem very interested in the food. This has never happened and I'm not quite sure what to do. I'm very hesitant to give .2 units right now and part of me wants to just NS. Well, if he doesn't eat, then I can't shoot anyway. :( I'm a bit scared and just confused. Oh Pita...
     
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    Sh*t! Hes now throwing up his treats!! Ok, so to recap. He received .2 units of insulin last night at 7:30. I tested when I got home (25 mins ago) and AMPS was 271 which is very high for him. He watched his brother eat with no interest and instead layed on my lap. He got off, walked into the bedroom and threw up the treats from testing. He's now trying to 'cover' the wet food which is what he usually does after he eats. I'm definitely no shooting because he hasn't eaten and had thrown up. Both are things that have never happened since we were diagnosed. I'm thinking he may have gone too low last night and I didn't catch it? I'm definitely nervous :blackeye:
     
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  10. Kris & Teasel

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    Hard to say. No shot is a good idea. The high BG might a reflection of him feeling ill. Is he showing signs of nausea like licking his lips. No appetite, nausea and vomiting can be signs of pancreatitis. Keep a close eye on him, maybe try tempting him with other foods like plain meat and broth baby food. It's possible he went too low last night and that has made him feel unwell.
     
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    Thanks Kris. We're now snuggling on the bed and he's purring up a storm. No other signs of feeling sick. Just the lack of appetite and the one throwing up episode. If he weren't on insulin I'd chalk it up to just an upset tummy. But of course it's a bit more complicated now! I was wondering if I could try some of the gravy food I have for hypos, but I'm not sure if that's too high carb..?
     
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    It's also possible that he's feeling unwell because his BG is so much higher than he's used to at this point. Which means that a small dose might make him feel better. The obvious risk though is if he starts to come down and still won't eat.
    I would hold off on the gravy food, especially if he's not getting insulin. It can cause a little tummy upset when they aren't used to it, aside from raising his BG even higher. Do you have any plain chicken you could cook up for him? or give him?
     
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    Good point, Djamila. Yes, hold off on the gravy. I don't give it to Teasel when he's too low because it doesn't agree with him.
     
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    He actually hates people food-meats included. I'll put out his regular food again in a little bit (had to remove it because Brat just kept eating it). I know this may not be a sign of being okay, but he's posing/sleeping on the bed just like he always does. This might make me a horrible parent but I'm going to try to go to the gym for 9am. I'll put his regular food in front of him before I leave to see if he'll eat. I'm hoping/praying it was just a weird blip. But I'll also see what happens the rat of the day because I plan to test more. Ugh, thanks guys. So stressful!
     
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    Yeah, Sam won't eat chicken either. Or even tuna for that matter. Weird cats. He will eat baby food though, so I keep some of that on hand for when he gets an upset stomach. You just have to make sure that it's all chicken or turkey or whatever, with no onion or other additives in it.

    I don't think you're a bad cat mama if you leave for a bit to workout. Can you lock him (and a litter box) in a bedroom so Brat doesn't eat his food while you're gone? That way you'll know if Pita ate anything. Sending tummy healing vines to Pita! I hope it was just one of those things and he feels better now!
     
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    Hoping it was just a blip! Feel better, Pita :cat:
     
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    Thanks Yong!

    Update: put him in front of food bowl. He sniffed it but walked away and is now outside in his catio. I'll test when I'm home, see if he'll eat and keep an eye on his general behavior. ::Big sigh::
     
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    If you have ketone strips, it would be worth trying to get a test. It's unlikely at Pita's general numbers, but we've seen so much of it recently....
     
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    Gah, I'll do my best when I'm home. I've actually never tried and he just doesn't pee too often! I'll see what we can do :bookworm:
     
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    251 @ +4.25, threw up a tiny bit of treats a few minutes after. I put his food back down and he ate, now he's under the catio. So I'll see what happens from here :confused:
     
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    It's still very early but I'm trying to figure out what to shoot for tonight assuming that he eats. The .1 for 120-135 and .2 for 135+?....
     
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    You know your cat best, but I think whenever a cat changes his behaviour and won't eat, it's time to take him to the vet. That's what happened with Chloe a couple days ago. I took her to emergency and they did some tests. I paid $30 to leave her (monitored) there while I went to work. They called me 3 hours later and she was eating normally. They didn't find anything wrong and gave me a few cans of Hills I/D Digestive Care, so I guess it was just an upset tummy.
     
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    I agree but he has eaten now and hasn't thrown up since, so I'm monitoring for now. I'm planning to do another test soon and will see if he eats his midday snack later. Thanks!
     
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    Have you changed his cat food brand lately? They get upset tummies if you don't do it gradually. Glad he's eating.
     
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    Nope, nothing has changed.
     
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    He jumped off the bed and went to his food bowl (empty) so I closed Brat in the bedroom and just gave Pita some wet (and water/as usual) and he's gobbling it up right now. I'm hoping he keeps it all down and will plan a test for around 2pm or so. Fingers crossed everyone!
     
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    I always have to put Chico outside or in another room when I feed Chloe or he'll push her away. Chloe is more relaxed when the other cats aren't nearby.
     
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    I know there's still lots of time until PS but +6.5 was just a nice 132! And he's eaten a bunch and we just played with his shoelace. So knock on wood that things are clearing up!
     
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    Sounds like he's feeling better! I'm glad, Caitlin, I know that's stressful. I think your scale from above is a good plan for tonight. :)
     
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    Thanks Rachel. I'm still anxious about it but trying to relax. Ok I hoped it was!
     
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    43 @+8.75. SO glad I NS
     
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    Wow...that's crazy! How does he do that?!?!
     
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    LIKE, WHAT IS HAPPENING?!!! Lol looks like maybe he hasn't been needing insulin/has definitely been bouncing?!
     
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    80 PMPS. No shot tonight either. He's been eating normally since the incident this morning. I'm kicking myself for not getting any tests last night but my best guess is that he dropped way too low, bounced and then felt crummy this morning.
    I'm going to pay attention to how he acts around feeding time as well. When he's in more regulated numbers, he waits for Brat to eat first then goes. When his numbers are higher he pushes right in with him. I know that's not a science, because there have been higher numbers when he's waited, but maybe that's what I need to pay attention to. Maybe not shoot or at least lower the dose if his behavior is 'normal' during feeding times. Sorry for the ramble, just trying to make some sense for myself!
     
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    WOW! Pita is just trying to confuse us!!!
     
  36. Kris & Teasel

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    Good luck figuring this out! Just when you think you have a handle on a few things they change their game ... :confused:
     
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    116 AMPS, another NS.
     
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    I'm just glad he's eating again! I can handle wonky numbers and just ride it out with him, but that scared the crap out of me.
     
  39. Kris & Teasel

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    I don't blame you one bit! Any time an FD kitty doesn't want to eat it's scary. :nailbiting:
     
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    117@+4.25
     
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    159 PMPS, giving .1 units. Will test before bed tonight! I work later every day this week so I'm able to do an extra test or two in the am as well.
     
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    Is he back to eating normally?
     
  43. Caitlin M

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    Yes, completely.
     
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    Glad to hear he's eating and his tummy is better!

    Saw you're my neighbor...I'm in Charlestown! Small FD world.
     
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    97 AMPS, no shoot.
     
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    98@+2
     
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    Looking good :D. Maybe he just had a bug afterall that made him run a bit higher again and it's passed :cat:.
     
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    Vet appt went well for both boys today! She said she's glad he's doing well and his weight was exactly what it was when she met him. She said that's the true sign of good regulation- maintained or weight gain. So yay Pita! On that note, 6 more days to move...:nailbiting::)
     
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    Just wanted to get some input on this. I'll be traveling with all of Pita's insulin/supplies. Have a note and prescription to bring to the airport and from what I've read, there shouldn't be a problem. My big question though, is traveling with the ProZinc. I was thinking of wrapping the bottle itself in tinfoil to keep it cold then wrap the box in bubble wrap. It will be kept on me at all times and should remain upright nearly the whole time. Just looking for any other suggestions?! Thanks!
     
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    Hmmm...what you're thinking of sounds good to me. I can't think of a better way to travel with the insulin, but if I have any brainstorms, I'll let you know.
     
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    Are you allowed to bring anything like an ice pack? It can't be right next to the insulin because you don't want to accidentally freeze it, but if you got like an insulated lunch bag and had a small ice pack, then a little towel, and then the insulin, it might help keep it cool longer. I'm not sure if FAA rules will allow it for a cat, but humans can bring small coolers for medical supplies, so maybe?

    Can't wait to hear about your California adventures!
     
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    217 AMPS. Had a feeling it may have been a bounce from last night so I NS. +4 was just 75. Hopefully it doesn't go back up to the 200's!
     
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    I found this for people but may still apply since it's insulin. They don't need to know it's for Pita :smuggrin:
    "Accessories required to keep insulin cool, such as freezer packs or frozen gel packs, are permitted through the screening checkpoint."
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    Numbers have been pretty good the last couple days. AMPS was 284 today though (took multiple samples) but had to BS because he wouldn't eat his food! However, neither would Brat. A couple days ago I bought the PetSmart version of rescue remedy and added it to the water. I decided to add it to their food yesterday since I put water in it anyway, and boy did it work! We cleaned and emptied the apt all day and they just hung out with us, purring and dopey eyed. I put it in the food again this am and they wouldn't eat it. So I switched it out for 'normal' food and it took nearly an hour for then both to eat. Anywho, just did a +5 and he's at 96. So maybe it's good we NS! The only reason I'm not concerned (but also slightly concerned) is because his brother wouldn't eat it also. I tried it myself and it's a little bitter, so maybe they just don't like it very much? I shipped their bowls out also, so they're eating from Tupperware. Who knows! I figure they obviously know something strange is happening so even though they didn't eat right away, I'm not totally surprised. They've both eat as the day went on and he's had the YA Zero with testing. Just an update before the big day tomorrow!
    Oh, I'm also going to let them settle in tomorrow night and if possible, test him, but not worry about test/dosing until Thursday morning. And if he's super high I may wait a couple days (get midday tests) until I dose, to see if he needs to adjust. Just my thought since it'll be a very drastic move!
     
  55. Kris & Teasel

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    My goodness - so much to do! I'm glad the Rescue Remedy type stuff worked. Moving is such a stressful undertaking especially with pets in tow. o_O
     
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    137 PMPS. Really debated giving the .1 but did give it. May not get a test before bed but will before AMPS/before the gym. So we shall see.
     
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    So tomorrow is the move?!?! Safe travels to you and Pita and Brat (and the BF?)! Let us know when you are safe and settled. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    It is! And oh I definitely will. Will post a pic or two of them I'm sure!
     
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    Ohhh good luck with the move! We'll be dying to hear how it all goes and to see pictures!
     
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    Best of luck and smooth travels for you and the kitties! :bighug::bighug:
     
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    Hello from sunny CA! Will post more info about the move but wanted to update SS. I gave him .1 units yesterday morning, NS at night before we were in the air, and NS this am because I wanted to give him a little time to adjust still without risking a super skewed number. Just did PMPS- a beautiful 84! He's actually been very purry today also so I'm hoping for the best! I'll post more about the move asap. :)
     
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    Hooray! Glad you all made it safe and sound! I want to hear how it was traveling with two cats on an airplane...but of course take time to rest and settle in first!
     
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    Sounds like Pita is settling in well! Looking forward to hearing more about it when you've had a chance to get some rest. :)
     
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    Glad to hear you and babies arrived safely! :cat::bighug:
     
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    Hello everyone! I am SO sorry for not writing sooner. It's felt like I'm on vacation and haven't really been on my phone/near a computer lately. Hope everything is going well for you all!
    The trip could not have gone better. Brat threw up in the car on the way to the airport so upon arrival we went to a family bathroom and cleaned him up. Was pretty easy. Security was a breeze! No one asked for any vet papers or proof of diabetes. The boys were great going through the scanner with us and they even walked around a little on the leashes! Everyone who saw then thought they were so good and cute. The issue we had was getting them back into the carriers! A security woman finally asked if we needed a private room so that worked well after. The plane ride itself was good also. Brat slept a lot and Pita slept/hung out. We covered them with a blanket from home because I remembered that it (I) can get really cold so I think that helped as well. Once we got to the apartment I realized Pita had urinated in his carrier but I honestly had no idea when because it never smelled. So I cleaned him up and that was it! They seem to have settled really well so far. They sleep on the floor, get a breeze all day long from the window and have all the sunlight. I actually brought Pita outside a couple days ago in the harness and leash and he was adorable. I think we're gonna bring them both out today, so if they're okay with it I think it's great to bring them outside sometimes!
    Numbers wise I'm pleasantly surprised and happy with where he's been. I haven't been shooting most of the time and he's reaching some lower numbers all on his own. I decided to shoot this am on a number I NS a couple days ago (144), just to see if I can get his PMPS down a bit tonight. I tested at +4 and he was at 52. Gave him a Tbsp of gravy food and I'll be testing again in about 15 minutes. Please let me know thoughts if you look at the SS! We arrived on 9/14. All in all we are all doing great! My car arrives today with some other stuff in it so I'm sure they won't like all the noise and unpacking but that's okay :)
     
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    It's so good the hear that the travels went well! I didn't realize they have to be uncrated to go through security. It must make them so happy to get to outside in the California sunshine! Are you in So Cal?

    As far as the spreadsheet, I think you could try shooting lower and see if he starts to flatten out again, but I also think what you're doing is fine. You're giving him some insulin support when he gets higher, and letting him do his own thing when he's in reasonable numbers. Pita usually manages to bring himself down during the mid-cycle, so most of the time he's in healthy numbers. If you wanted to try and see if some regular shots would flatten him out a bit, you would have to be around to monitor since he could also end up going too low. That may be more time stuck in the house than will work for your schedule these days.

    Did Brat get to go outside yesterday? Did he like it?
     
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    Hi Caitlin! I'm glad the big move went well. Sounds like the kitties were champions in spite of the little carrier mess. They'll be laid back SoCal kitties in no time. :D
     
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    Great to hear the trip went smoothly with the boys! Lovely numbers Pita! :cat:
     
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    So glad the trip went well! I can't imagine how my kitties would take that...but it sounds like things went as smoothly as they possibly could!
     
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    I'm a bit boggled! AMPS numbers have been slightly higher than regulated numbers (140-150's) so I've been shooting .1 and testing later. He's doing great and then PMPS is usually low so I have to NS. I know a lot of cats tend to go higher overnight for whatever reason but I'm trying to figure out how to finagle a lower AMPS. (Ha, yes I know, good luck/silly me). I was thinking of maybe NS tomorrow's AMPS and seeing how low he gets on his own, then shooting if it's a higher PMPS. Somehow in my mind that might even itself out again and I can get lower PS both times. I know there's no actual answer, just want to see what others think!? :)
     
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    FWIT mine used to have AMPS that were 150-190 and I would NS. His PMPS were usually lower by 40-90 pts for whatever reason. Sometimes it is what it is... and no matter how hard you try to find "that" dose it might not ever happen. Kitty is in control :) There's also the Dawn phenomenon - common among human diabetics but I'm not sure how true it is for cats. But it basically says AM numbers are a little higher than evening even in well regulated diabetics.
     
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    You might try getting some more PM numbers and see what they show. The ones that you have seem to hint that despite the lower PMPS numbers, he may be running high during the PM cycle. If that's true, then you might need to shoot some lower PS numbers in order to keep the cycle lower. I'd want a bit more data before you try it though just in case the numbers you have during that cycle were just unlucky.
     
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    I like Djamila's suggestion! I think a test or two when you can in the evening cycle might help you pinpoint what's going on. Most likely, you are going to need to shoot a lower number, but it doesn't hurt to see what's going on first. :)
     
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    Hi everyone! I'm so sorry that I've been more mia lately. No reason, just haven't really been on! Pita is doing well and ::anti-jinx:: we're slowly starting to count the NS days again. He and Brat seem to be doing very well in their new home and I love it as well :) Hope everyone is also doing well!

    Ps- trying to now train my boyfriend to test!
     
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    Pita's looking good! And hopefully the BF will be a good co-pilot with all of this soon!
     
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    I'm being very, very quiet and non-celebratory, but it's been 14.5 days of NS :)
     
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    Hello all! I feel so badly about not posting very often anymore. I apologize to come and go only when I need help. I'll post on the computer later when it's easier to type, but I just wanted to check in and say hello! I'm doing a curve today and will probably make a new post about all the thoughts swirling in my head. I really hope all sugar babies and parents alike are happy, healthy and enjoying whatever type of fall weather you're getting :joyful:
     
  81. Rachel

    Rachel Well-Known Member

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    Hey Caitlin! We're always glad to see you, whenever you have time to post! Besides, part of what we're here for is to help out when needed. :) Looking forward to seeing your curve!
     
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  82. Djamila

    Djamila Well-Known Member

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    Hi Caitlin! That's funny, I was just peeking at Pita's spreadsheet this morning. That's crazy that he has a prozinc curve without having any insulin. Hope you are well!
     
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