Discussion in 'Feline Health - (The Main Forum)' started by rhiannon and shadow (GA), May 5, 2013.
Wow this is invaluable! Especially to a newbie such as myself. Thank you so much!
Thanks Rhiannon! This is very helpful!
I love this list! I was just thinking I was going to have to go through and do this for my kitty Stella's health. You saved me so much time, and it is greatly appreciated!!!
Awesome! Since hubby has been going shopping lately, I am printing this out for him instead of having to write things down every time! Thank you!!
Thanks, this is a great list! I also found a downloadable one here http://www.catinfo.org/?link=cannedfoods#Commercial_Foods about 3/4 of the way down the page. I downloaded it to my phone and used it until I was able to figure out what worked for my cat. It does include foods over 8%. It includes most of the brands you could imagine and then some. But having it downloaded to my phone was invaluable.
Thank you so so much for your list. Is very helpful!
I will try to find at my hometown (Malaysia) if not i will order from US.
Can i know this is the product. As below link.
My hometown is only EVO brand i can buy that suitable for my sugar baby.
2% - Natura Evo 95% chicken and turkey 155
3% - Natura Evo Turkey/chicken for Cats/kittens 266
Yes. You have the right values for those two cans.
Thank you so so much
I don't see 9 Lives listed. I have another list that has several varieties under 8%. Is that not the case anymore? Please advise, that's what I feed Casey. Thanks!
9lives is ok, as long as it is the Ground, Dinners or Flaked. Some of the Prime Entrees are ok. See the full chart for specific carb percentages. http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf 9lives is listed right after the Newman's Own.
The 9lives wasn't on dr. lisa's updated list.... I was going with the more recently confirmed values....
After all, food companies make changes all the time to their formulas so any foods have to be evaluated by how your cat responds to it.
Actually, 9 lives is on the most recent update list from Dr Pierson. the September 2012 version here: http://www.catinfo.org/docs/FoodChartPublic9-22-12.pdf
Thank you so much for this! This is awesome!!!!
Thank you for this list! I am new to the site and have to say that everyone seems so polite and sincere as I read through the forums.
I saved this list because my cat, Fluff, recently started throwing up a few types of food that I had him on regularly. He was diagnosed diabetic in October. Last night as I was reading through some of the posts, I felt so bad that I have not been feeding him the best wet foods. I started him on Friskies a week ago after he got sick from Fancy Feast ocean white fish. But his urine went out of control. After gathering information from here, I realized it's probably because most of the food had gravy. I have now switched him to the pates and he is doing better. He does not need insulin, thank goodness. But I have been trying to get him to gain weight for months. Hopefully Friskies will help. Thank you!
bump for July 3rd
Help me understand the phosphorus numbers. I feed my cats FF classic varieties. All ones below 5% carb but phosphorus is higher then 250. So is this bad and if so, why?
Rhiannon made up that shortcut shopping list with the phosphorus numbers at the end so that
1. You could print it out and take it to the store with you to shop
2. Many diabetic cats also have kidney disease. Those cats with kidney disease need foods that have <250 phosphorus.
If your cat does not have kidney disease, CRF, CKD, then you do not need to look for foods with <250 phosphorus levels.
I took some similar info and built it into a spreadsheet that I printed and put on the fridge for when I order off Amazon - and a two-pager at the back that I printed and take shopping with me. If anyone's interested, it's in my signature. Thanks!
Thank you Rhiannon. I want to start trying J.D. on some lower phosphorus foods. This really helps.
Keep in mind that Merrick has just made a recipe change to the foods listed below. If you see cans with the same names but new labeling they will have a different guaranteed analysis. If you can find the old cans, stock up on them. I'm not buying the new stuff until I know if it's still good for my cat.
5% - Merrick Cowboy cookout 202
8% - Merrick Grammy's pot pie 237
3% - Merrick Surf n Turf 229
4% -Merrick Southern delight -328 this one has crawfish in it.
8% -Merrick Ocean Breeze 420
9% -Merrick Turducken 219
This is awesome! Thank you for all your hard work. :RAHCAT
Hardey is now completely refusing to eat the FF classics (and a few weeks ago he stopped eating Friskies). I know it's the nausea associated with either the IBD or intestinal cancer (not sure which since the only way to find out is exploratory surgery which I won't put him through). Need to find new options... This will make it much easier!
update on Merrick foods.....
the new Merrick foods aren't as good as they were.....
Merrick Cowboy Cookout is 18-19% carbs phosphorus 294
Merrick Surf n Turf is 4.9% carb Phosphorus is 638. ( yikes)
see http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=9&t=106157 for the new info.
so .... like... bump.... :lol:
This is wonderful! Thank you for doing this
Amazing list for newbies! My Ophie doesn't want to eat her usual foods, so... I'm going shopping!
Awesome! This is an excellent list. Takes all the guesswork out and trying to read the microscopic print on the cans!
Hi, I am new to the board, and wanted to ask about Friskies Pate food. I have seen the list where it has the carbs as being below 8%. However the ingredients in Friskies include rice and carrageenan. Those are not good for diabetic cat, rice is grain and carrageenan is bad also. I got FF Classics, and Target Boots and Barkely brand, and Preferred Pets gourmet (which is comparable to Target and FF) and I've gotten Sheba pate which also is comparable. All have the meat as first ingredient and no grains and no carrageenan. So if Friskies has rice in it, which is a carb, and carrageenan, how is it ok to give to FD cat?
I want to give variety in low carb foods as Nicholas gets bored with FF Classic, Target & Preferred Pet flavors, and Friskies he did like, but the rice and carrageenan concern me.
I am aware of the rice and carrageenan in many of the foods.
I buy a lot of different brands constantly trying to convince mine to like the "better" ones but she is truly a friskies girl.
I personally blame myself for her FD because I got suckered into feeding her the friskies selects ( carbs in the 30's) and gave her
way too many treats ( pounce, friskies, all the common ones) and guess they are all like 50% carbs.
I just keep trying.
I'm not sure Sheba is that high a quality... but mine doesn't like it anyway.
First and foremost, they have to eat it.
Great list!!! Does anyone know why most FF classics are so high in phosphorous? Is it just a byproduct of how the food is manufactured? Just to clarify, it's not bad for otherwise healthy cats right? :shock:
it's cats that are in kidney disease that need low phosphorus.
I like having the numbers so I don't feed all the highest ones.... I try to skip around and get mine to eat the lower ones as much as possible ( which she
doesn't like as much)
Was looking for a list of low phosphorous foods for a friend, so bumping in case any of the newbies need a low carb list! Thanks for compiling.
Maybe I'm reading this chart wrong, but looking at these Fancy Feast flavors, the phosphorus looks really high, although the carbs are good. Is there a risk of other health issues if these are eaten regularly?
You're reading it correctly; they do have higher phosphorus.
Per Dr Pierson of Cat Info, you may add 20 to 25% plain meat, poultry, or fish to the canned food, and portion out. This will reduce the fat and carbohydrate content, increase the protein content, and because it isn't adding any bone, may reduce the phosphorus content a bit.
You mean I can use up the high carb food with just adding pure protein?? That would be great because I just stocked up at BJ's a week ago and hated to lose all that food. Would baking or boiling the fish or poultry be the best way?
So glad you told me!! ohmygod_smile .."
By the way, what does it mean when someone writes "bump" in their messages?
Bump is simply a way to get a message higher up in the queue on the forum. It's used for posts like this shortcut shopping list that tends to get buried on page 8 after only a couple of days. Lots of traffic here on the message boards, so sometimes we like to get useful information like this back onto the first page so more people see it.
The word "bump" could be replaced by any other work or message to accomplish the same thing.
You could do some mixing to dilute the high carb canned foods and freeze batches.(the solution to pollution is dilution.)
If you have 5.5 oz of high carb and mix it with 5.5 oz of low carb, you get (high carb % + low carb %)/2 for 11 oz
If you have 5.5 oz of high carb and mix it with 11 oz of low carb, you get the (high carb % + [2*low carb %])/3 for 16.5 oz
And so on.
Ok. Got it! The freezing idea is good because I can take my time using it up. Is Sheba pate ok? Didn't see it on the shopping list.
This is only the 8% and under list.
Go to Cat Info for the full list.
What a lifesaving thread! This makes me feel relieved, I was starting to give up on finding low carb/low phosphorus foods. One question though. I'm a bit of a novice and rubbish with numbers; what does the triple-digit value for phosphorus come from? I've been carousing charts trying to find less than 1% phosphorus on a DMA but i'm a little confused by this new way of measuring phosphorus. Gonna discuss diet with my vet on Thursday so i'd like to be prepared. I understand it's mg, right? But out of the whole can or...??? And what would a 250mg number look like translated to Dry Matter analysis? I'm assuming more than 1% but still "okay?"
What a helpful list,has anyone the time to do similar for the UK /Europe cat foods? That would be one less problem for new members joining the forum.
Member Dr. Schrodinger (AKA Juliet) put together this list and it's attached to her signature. https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet/ccc?key=0Aq4WIfRfL3G1dDd2dkNtMnNoMDZYaDVxTGtSd1dmWmc#gid=0
There's a whole topic in Feline Health on "Canned cat food for EUROPEANS and INTERNATIONAL buyers" It's one of the Stickies so it's always at the beginning of the topics.
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