TYLER'S JOURNEY #2

Discussion in 'Caninsulin / Vetsulin and N / NPH' started by Diane Tyler's Mom, Jun 2, 2019.

  1. Diane Tyler's Mom

    Diane Tyler's Mom Well-Known Member

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    5-31-19 Friday
    AMPS. 180 no insulin
    PMPS 200 shot 0.25
    +3. 176


    6-1-19 Saturday
    AMPS - 170. No insulin
    PMPS. -. 199 shot 0.25
    +3. -149








    @MrWorfMen's Mom Tested
    6-2-19 SUNDAY
    AMPS - 195 Will shoot 0.25 U then re check at +3
    +3 209 but he did eat some Dr Elseys dry clean protein chicken about
    35 minutes before testing at +3 @MrWorfMen's Mom

    6-2-19. SUNDAY
    PMPS . 260. Shot 0.25 units
    +4. 153


    6-3-19 . MONDAY
    AMPS 235. Shot 0.25 units
    +3.5 - 214 @MrWorfMen's Mom

    6-3-19. MONDAY
    PMPS 225 shot 0.25 units .will re check at +4
    +4 - 143
     
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  2. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    6-4-19. TUESDAY
    AMPS - 215. Shot 0.25 units will test at +4
     
  3. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Well look at that little scamp this morning! Liking that blue.:cool: Makes me wonder though how low he went last night and how far into the cycle. It will be interesting to see where he lands by pre-shot tonight.
     
  4. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    I know I was surprised, I was just so tired last night to re test him and it would have been very late. I just received the new syringes today. I'm trying to test him earlier and feed him so it's not that late when I re test him. I'm going through test strips like crazy. I know I've been testing at +4, do you think that's good enough or do you think I have to also do +3 and +6 . I'm still giving 0.25 units, now that I received the new syringes I'll try to eye ball it on them, plus Tyler takes forever to eat, he'll start off eating and then will walk away, and I know he'll finish the rest, what I then have to do is actually hold the dish up to his face and then he'll continue to eat. Then I have to mush it around with my finger for him so the FF is flattened. A pain in my ass he is. Plus he only eats 1/2 can of FF in the am and pm, I also have to put water in it for him or else he wont eat it. He is one strange cat, thanks for checking in on Tyler. One other thing, he just can't seem to lose weight. He was 23 lbs before being diagnosed, then when I started notice wasn't right with him, took him to the vet expecting to see that weight when they weighed him, but he weighed in at 18 lbs. So a 5 lb loss which was good. Now he's up to 22.8 lbs. Vet doesn't know why. Like I said he only eats 1 can of FF Chicken Pate a day and in-between some Dr Elseys Clean Protein.
    So the FF would be 99 calories and my vet said I could give him 1/3 rd of a cup of Dr Elseys which works out to be 188 calories for that. So it's a total of 288 calories a day.
    He is the type of cat that just lays around all day long. Even though he has neuropathy in his back legs he still can jump onto the couch and get along fine. He is just a lazy cat. Me and my vet just assume he's not burning calories because all he does is sleep and lay around all day. Before he was diagnosed he was more active. His thyroid is fine. I just wish I can get him to loose a few lbs. My vet was aiming for 16 lbs. Good luck with that lol.
     
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  5. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I know those strips seem to go like wildfire and they are so darn expensive. Have you given any consideration to switching to a human meter? Works perfectly fine and even though I was an AT2 addict when I started, I used a human meter later on and both are perfectly fine for monitoring and regulating kitty. A little difference as far as the numbers you will see but they are lower which can be good for the psyche!

    If you can randomly get a +3 to +6 different days that will give a good idea where his nadir is and how fast he's dropping and possibly show you when he starts to rise again. As for the night time tests, if it's easier and more reliable to get a +3 then do that instead of +4. Just add it on to your bedtime routine but yes if even +3 is a bit late for that, then doing his routine a little earlier is a good option. So preshots twice daily and one test sometime mid way through each cycle ( or a bit earlier than mid way at night).
     
  6. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    ok when you say a +3 to +6 do you mean you would like me to also get a +4 and a +5. Ok so on 1 day I can do a +3, then a plus a +6. Then on another day maybe a +4 and then a +5 or +6. Is that what you mean. Have any thoughts on Tyler's weight, even though he is a big cat I need to get him down, maybe I'll just chase him around with the air freshener can lol, remember I told you hesh afraid of it lol
     
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  7. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    No, no no. We don't want to make Tyler into a pin cushion. :p One day grab a +3 , the next day a +4 and the next a +5 etc.... scatter them but unless his numbers drop and warrant more testing than usual in a given cycle, you only need to get one test per 12 hour cycle. Occasionally you might want to run a curve testing every 2 or 3 hours for 12 hours but on a regular basis you don't need to test multiple times unless there is a reason to.
     
  8. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok now I understand, you make me laugh, a pin cushion lol. Can't wait to see what he is tonight. I received the new syringes today @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  9. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hey Linda just posted Tyler's BG for tonight, the little scamp disappointed me. Lol Sent you a PM if you get a chance to look at it @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  10. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Oh Tyler you naughty boy. Seriously though, that is not too bad given the skipped shot this AM.
     
  11. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    You crack me up Linda, what do you think about what I PM you about@MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  12. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Need to keep dosing questions here rather on PM's OK? ;)

    Sorry just saw your PM now. I see the little guy decided to drop back down again this AM. Not sure how long ago you took that BG this AM and if it's too late now to shoot to keep you on schedule but given that lower BG and 0.25u hasn't been taking him down as much as we'd like, I'd give him the 0.25u this AM and see what he does. I'm thinking maybe backing up the no shoot number a bit more to lets say 175 for now and try that.
     
  13. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok I'm sorry about the PM , I'll always keep dosing questions here. Just saw this now and yes it's to late to give him insulin this am. I took it at 8:30 am. I'll wait until tonight and take it from there and lower the no shoot number to 175 and continue with the 0.25 units .Thanks Linda @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  14. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Tested Tyler tonight at 8:15 pm, will be ready to shoot at 9:00 pm BG was 273 and have been giving 0.25 u of vetsulin, lowered no shoot to 185 for over a week, now will lower that to 175 no shoot. I just bought the 1/2 unit marking syringes, do you think I should give 0.5 tonight, and then will definitely re test him tonight @MrWorfMen's Mom His SS is set up thanks to Linda
     
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  15. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I've been out today and so am just seeing this now. I assume I am late to this party but yes I think you could try 0.5u but only if you are sure you can grab a test at +3 post shot. If you don't think you can grab a test, then I'd wait till tomorrow AM.
     
  16. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hey Linda, no you're not late to the party lol, you are the first to answer me, yes I can test him at +3 tonight. I'm going to shoot right now. Thanks for getting back to me
     
  17. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hi Linda tested Tyler this morning, and then tested at +3 +4 +5 and +6
    Used the new syringes and gave 0.5 units. Can you take a look at his SS. Going forward do I always have to test him again after testing him when I test him at AMPS and then PMPS if shooting 0.5 units going by today's numbers. Meaning do I have to test at +3 or +4 after his initial testing @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  18. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    @MrWorfMen's Mom hey Linda I'm going to test Tyler at 8:30 pm . Please read my post above this one, Will probably feed him at 9:00 pm or 9:30 pm, looking at his SS what do you think
     
  19. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I KNOW I am loving this cycle!:joyful: Looks like he's coming up now so I think you will be fine to give the 0.5u but let's wait and see where he's at.
    It's a good idea to always get a mid cycle test around when nadir occurs which in Tyler's case appear to occur between +3 and +5. Don't want to make him into a pin cushion but at least one test per cycle is really the minimum to be able to see what is really going on.
     
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  20. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok , just posted his BG tonight tested him at 8:30 pm and his BG was 215, I put it on his SS, going to shoot at 9:30 pm, so I will test him again at +4. Thank you for your help Linda as you know I am using the Alpha Trak 2 meter and test strips, going through them like crazy. I really want to stay with the AT 2 meter. I was reading that someone on the forum has the same meter as I do but uses the Freestyle Insulinx strips and gets very close readings, she posted them for me to see. Just asking your opinion on using them with my meter since they are so much cheaper
     
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  21. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Why are you waiting an hour to shoot?. Half hour is most you need between food and shot.

    Yes I know a lot of folks are using the Insulinx or Freestyle strips in their AT2 meters. The Insulinx, Freestyle and AT2 strips are all the same HOWEVER, the AT2 strips have been batch tested to determine what code on the AT2 meter will provide the most accurate lab equivalent readings. We know about 7 cat codes on the AT2 meter (there may be more we are unaware of) so using the alternative strips means you stand roughly a 15% chance of getting the most lab equivalent reading possible. It all depends on the code you are using and the strips.

    As a dedicated AT2 meter user for a considerable part of our journey, I did not feel confident in adding yet another variable into the readings I was using to get my girl regulated. I found the alternative strips read high every time I tried them in my AT2 meter with different codes. That said, I'm sure I didn't check all the codes. I switched to a human meter, it worked just fine, was half the cost and ultimately got us to our ultimate goal.

    So while the alternative strips work in the AT2 and the readings will be in the ballpark, you have no way of knowing if those readings are higher or lower than they would be with the batch tested AT2 strips or by how much. There is already a 20% variance allowance for glucometers so using alternative strips will, in about 85% of tests with alternative strips, increase that variance.

    My personal opinion is that it's better to just switch to a human meter and use it as your primary meter and use your AT2 meter as your backup if you want to lower your costs. But that's just me.
     
  22. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    I tested Tyler at 8:30 like I said, then started feeding him and he finally finished at 9:00 pm, so I waited a half hour like it says and shot at 9:30 pm. I will think about switching to a human meter of course I'll have to learn about readings on that, right? What human meter would you suggest @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  23. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Oh yes I forgot Tyler is a muncher ......not a gulper of his food.

    If you want a meter physically identical to your AT2, I'd recommend the Freestyle Lite if it's still available. Same meter different colour (it's the meter the AT2 is based on) and it affords you the ability to use the strips in either meter (AT2 in a pinch). There is also a smaller version called Freestyle Freedom Lite. Same size blood sample and same strips but smaller meter and screen.

    Other alternative would be one of the Relion meters from Walmart but I think their new meters take a bigger drop of blood for tests. Still doable but can sometimes lead to more error messages. That said the strips are considerably less expensive that the Freestyle strips.
     
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    still possible to get the ReliOn Confirm from vendors online, though no longer from Walmart unless a store has a leftover (might be on the Closeout shelf) -- still possible to get the test strips for it from Walmart online (they are Rolled Back to $14.95 -- you can get up to 4 boxes of 50 per order)

    original mfg is Arkray, you can still get the Arkray Glucocard01 online (exact same thing as that ReliOn); ditto for the Glucocard01 test strips which work in either meter
    seems you can get larger batches of those too -- in bulk the price per strips goes down quite a bit

    ReliOn Prime and ReliOn Premier are what's currently available at Walmart -- strips for those are half the price of the ones for the Confirm -- (each takes different strip, same price)

    .3 droplet, and .5 droplet are not THAT much different unless you're dealing with a difficult cat .. I could use the Prime half the time when Catcat's ears give up the blood and he doesn't squirm or shake things off -- as it is, I still get an error message one time out of about 5, for "not enough"
     
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  25. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Just posted Tyler's BG in his SS , it was 223, will continue shooting 0.5 units and will re- test at +4 since last night I tested him 4 times @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  26. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Thanks for the info, I appreciate it
     
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    @MrWorfMen's Mom well tested Tyler todat at +4 that was at 2:00 pm this afternoon it was 130 You can see on his SS his AMPS was 223, so that was pretty good. I think you are right when you said that it looks like Tyler's nadir occurs between +3 and +5
    I hope I get a good PMPS tonight @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  28. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Nice blue but he's still got a little room to come down. Let's see what he does tonight and if he is back in the yellows, I'd consider upping his dose to 0.75u tomorrow on the day cycle to see if that pushes him down that extra little bit while you're awake to keep an eye on him. I always hated/avoided doing dose increases on night cycles.;)
     
  29. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok I'll see what happens tonight and put it on his SS , if it's still in the yellow tonight and shoot 0.5 units should I still do a +4
     
  30. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I found getting at least one test during the night cycle before bed really helped give me get clues as to what my girl was up to while I was sawing logs. The more data you have the easier it is to sort these little creatures out. So yes, I'd make it a habit like washing your face or brushing your teeth to get a before bed test or a test at some other time during the night cycle if perhaps you get up to use the facilities. :p
     
  31. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Yes I definitely will re test him again , I'll do a +4 again or would you like to see a different one. You always make me laugh at times, sawing logs lol @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  32. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Grew up hearing that expression and it took me forever to figure out what it really meant. HAHAHAHAHA!

    Getting a test in before bed is just fine. There is no need to be holding pyjama parties at this point in time. I always find myself using the ladies room in the middle of the night so I got quite proficient at testing with my eyes half shut in less than ideal lighting. But then I would probably sleep through a nuclear bomb attack. Only exception to that is earthquakes..... found out even relatively small ones definitely wake me up! :woot:
     
  33. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    I'm up a lot during the night going to the bathroom, I'm going to have to think of some other expressions and test you to see if you know what they are lol ok.
     
  34. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    :nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting:Test me you say! Ok lay it on me! Let's see what my CRAFT brain remembers! You figure that one out! :woot:
     
  35. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok here's one , I've got to catch some zzzz's
    Have to think of some more, I just told my daughter that you said sawing logs and my daughter said. Oh she chops her own wood, that you saw logs at night. I laughed my ass off, she told me she never heard that expression lol
    Here's another I just thought of Don't break my chops
    or I'm a ball buster lol. I think I'm delirious right now lol. Just tested Tyler at 8:30 pm
    It was 209 , he's done eating finally and am going to shoot at 9:00 pm then will test at +4
     
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  36. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yup I've heard those. You're gonna have to get more inventive. I laughed at your daughter's take on "sawing logs". Had a friend who used to say " don't know whether to wind my watch or take a sh*t". Try that one out on Ashley! Laughter is good for the soul!
    That 209 is not bad at all. He seems to be coming down a bit the last couple of days. :joyful:
     
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    one of my New-Ager friends called it "traveling in the other world"

    you have to remember that this place is the denizen of the person who allegedly channels the entity known as Ramtha -- runs a huge money-making operation on that
     
  38. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    How about sh*t or get off the pot
    My agita is so bad (my Italian is coming out)
    I'm kind of low on scratch
    Well it's 45 minutes to countdown for Tyler lol Testing him at 1:00 am
     
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  39. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    @MrWorfMen's Mom tested Tyler at +4.5 it was 159 it's in his SS @MrWorfMen's Mom I'm going to test him tomorrow morning at 8:30 am Tuesday 6-11-19 I'll put it on his SS and tell me if you think I should try 0.75 depending on what his AMPS is. I'll check in the am to see if you saw this. Talk to you later
     
  40. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Well I see his AMPS was lower than expected. If it's not too late to stay on a reasonable schedule, you could try 0.25u this AM rather than a skip to try to keep him sitting in the blues and maybe dipping his toes into the dark green. Only if you will be able to check him again though!
     
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  42. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yes I saw that......see my post just above yours (#40). :D
     
  43. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hi Linda yes I can, I'll go ahead and give him 0.25 and re check later
     
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    @MrWorfMen's Mom hey Linda just checked Tyler at +4 and 20 minutes it was ,205
    When I shot thec0.25 this morning of course I had to eye ball it. I have never gave a fur shot, I'm pretty good at giving the shots. This time I got the needle all the way but when I took it out his fur felt a little wet to me, maybe he didn't get it all. Every time when I tested at +4 it has always come down as you can see on his SS. Being that it was 173 AMPS this morning I'm wondering why it was 205 when I re tested him. To tell you the truth I don't remember for the life of me if I gave him some Dr Elseys dry chicken between giving the 0.25 units and 11:30 this morning. I had a doctor's appointment this morning and tested him as soon as I got back @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  45. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Lower dose this morning and with the lower pre-shot this AM could be a bounce. It's not up much if at all as it's still within the 20% meter variance allowance. Perhaps he didn't get the whole dose but I think he'd be up more if he hadn't got most of it. Let's see where he's at tonight.
     
  46. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok Linda, I'll let you know his BG is tonight around 8:30 pm
     
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    Hey Linda, tested Tyler tonight his BG was 234. We talked about maybe upping the insulin to 0.75 .I'm going to give him 0.5 units still because I don't want to be up late to re test a few times. If I get a BG close to this one tomorrow morning do you think I should give him 0.75 units, I'll be able to re test him a few times tomorrow , by the way could you explain what to bounce means @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  48. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Bouncing is a natural phenomenon whereby the body's regulatory system kicks in to prevent BG from going too low. The problem is that with our diabetics, they have become accustomed to higher than normal BG levels so the body revs up and goes into overdrive to bring BG up more even if the levels are normal. So when Tyler goes into blue numbers, his body thinks it's too low he's become used to yellow or even pink BG range. His body needs to be retrained to understand that blue and dark green numbers are not a threat.
    Yes if BG in the morning is as high or higher than tonight, then upping to 0.75u is fine. Remember the lower dose today is playing into that PMPS reading. He may surprise you in the morning.
     
  49. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hi Linda, you just amaze me with all you know, I understand what you are saying, ok I'll see what tomorrow morning brings and if Tyler's BG is what we just talked about I'll give 0.75 and monitor him. Thanks for explaining How has Myster been
     
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  50. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    You're quite welcome. Myster is status quo for now. Thanks for asking.:)
     
  51. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    @MrWorfMen's Mom good morning Linda, Tyler's BG today was 208, I guess I should stay with the 0.5 u since it wasn't 234 or higher liked we talked about last night about increasing it to 0.75 u ? @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  52. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yes stick with 0.5u for today. Then if numbers are staying static you can take him up tomorrow. I'd like to see him in a bit lower blues or some high dark greens but we don't want to set off bouncing either.
     
  53. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok will do, Linda I just read on here that some people feed their cat 4 times per day, I thought you were only supposed to feed them once in the morning and once at night, and in between a snack. That's what I do with Tyler
     
  54. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Feeding schedules can be whatever you want them to be. I fed 6 times a day when on insulin. Sometimes it's the only way to keep a hungry cat from taking a chunk of you or driving you nuts begging for food. Other times it helps to keep GI upsets limited or smooth out cycles. The only thing not recommended is feeding only twice a day. Not good for our diabetics.
     
  55. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Boy oh boy my vet was the one that told me to feed three times a day, but when Tyler starts in I give him a little more wet or the Dr Elseys Clean protein. I always thought the more often you feed them then when you are ready to test PMPS that their BG would be higher than if you didn't feed 4 times a day for example. I know you shouldn't feed them 2 hrs prior to testing them in the am and on is that correct @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  56. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yup. No food for at least 2 hours before preshot test. Multiple meals/snacks tends to keep BG more constant & is easier on pancreas. That said, I'd try to keep food to minimum after nadir to avoid possibly shotening cycle especially with an insulin like Vetsulin.
     
  57. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok so since we think Tyler's nadir occurs between +3 and +5 and I usually test at +4 then I shouldn't feed him any food after +4 is that correct @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  58. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Just took Tyler's BG +4 -209. WED .6-12-19
    Is that crazy, his morning AMPS was 208
    Can't understand this @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  59. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Tyler's BG is getting up there PMPS 284. WED 6-12-19 Going to shoot at 8:45 or 9:00 pm Don't know if I should try the 0.75 u tonight or wait until tomorrow morning. I can stay up tonight if I give the 0.75 u to monitor him @MrWorfMen's Mom What do you think
     
  60. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    There are times when all yellow cycles foretell an active cycle on the horizon so would stick with 0.5u tonight. I think those yellows today might be a bounce.

    And yes I would keep food after +4 or +5 to a minimum if possible. If Tyler is really hungry after +5 though, a little snack is OK if needed.
     
  61. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    ok thanks for seeing this asap , just about to shoot, will stick with the 0.5 u tonight, is the reason he may be bouncing is because we gave 0.25 u yesterday
     
  62. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    I don't think the 0.25u caused a bounce. I think it's just a delayed reaction to that lovely blue streak.
     
  63. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok thank you Linda, I don't know what I would do without you, honestly I appreciate everything you do. I'll check him at +4 tonight and see what happens tomorrow morning, probably will test him 8:00 or 8:30 am. Have a pleasant night
     
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  64. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok just tested Tyler at +4 - 157
    Went down from 284 PMPS Wed 6-12-19
    Re tested at +4 like I said 157 stayed with the 0.5 units
    Hopefully I'll get a good number in the morning @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  65. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Ok looking good. give him a LC snack to slow him down a bit and see if we can keep him from bouncing by morning. :)
     
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  67. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yes I think I'd stick with it for today. You reduced the other day at 173 and he was no worse for wear so let's see how the 0.5u works today.
     
  68. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok Linda, will do , raining here like crazy, how about where you are
     
  69. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Rained overnight and is expected to be wet pretty much all day here. Temp has dropped a fair bit and I have some errands to run....YUCK! Oh well I guess I'll just have to grin and bear it.
     
  70. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Same here very cool, hate running errands in the rain .
     
  71. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    AMPS - 196. 0.5 u. THURSDAY 6-13-19
    +4. - 176
     
  72. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Looks like he's being a bit stubborn today...was hoping for more of a drop by this time. Check him again around +6 and see what he's done.
     
  73. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok will do at +6
     
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  75. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Looks like he may be starting a bounce but that is OK. He had a good cycle. I think it might be time to try 0.75u tomorrow morning as long as BG is high enough.
     
  76. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Tonight 6-13-19
    PMPS - 264 will stay with 0.5 for tonight, and if it's this high tomorrow am I'll try
    0.75 if it's high enough, will post it @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  77. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    I'm going to bounce him right out the door if he doesn't start giving me good numbers lol @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  78. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Definitely try the 0.75u tomorrow but I'm also concerned about the Vetsulin not lasting long enough through the cycle for Tyler. See what he does.
     
  79. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hey Linda , will do and I see what you mean about the Vetsulin. So what you are to say is for example let's say his AMPS is 250 and I give the insulin, then I check it at +4 and it's 230, then at +6 it's 240 , so what you are saying is I should be seeing his BG dropping more and then start to go up around +9 , +10 ,or +11, is that right @MrWorfMen's Mom God forbid I ever had to change insulin, I would never be able to afford Lantus, I don't know what other insulins cost
     
  80. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Good morning Linda, just re posting what Tyler's BG was last night
    Thursday 6-13-19
    PMPS - 264
    I tested him through the night
    +3- 142
    +4- 134
    +5- 131
    +6- 151
    +7- 181
    +9- 160
    How could he have gone down from 181 at +7 to 160 at +9
    Is that somewhat normal
    Now I will test him this morning at 8:30 which I usually do
    I wonder what that's going to be
    I know we were ready to try 0.75 this morning if it turned out to be around
    234 or higher, I'll check him at his usual AMPS which is 8:30 am and post it asap
    So we can see what we going to do @MrWorfMen's Mom and yes
    I'm tired lol been watching The Sopranos all night lol
     
  81. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Friday 6-14-19
    AMPS 214
    What should I shoot since considering all the tests I did on Tyler last @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  82. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Will be ready to shoot at 9:00 am think I should stay with the 0.5 u since all his numbers were pretty good last night, looking at it do you think the +7 and the +9 were strange, @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  83. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    As long as you can monitor Tyler, have lots of strips and some high carb food & karo, you could try 0.75u to see if we can get his BG down just a little more. That was a nice run of blue but a little green in there would be good. How about drawing up just a little bigger 0.5 (just under/touching the line instead of on it). Not sure if 0.75u might be too much.
     
  84. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Hi Linda , ok I'm just going to go a little bit under the 0.5 mark, I won't make it 0.75 for now
    Did you read what I wrote about understanding Vetsulin on #79 am I understanding it right
    I only have the FF Chicken Pate , should I go buy FF with some gravy in it, would that be High carb, I do have karo here @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  85. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Looking at all the blue numbers from testing last , do you think the Vetsulin was lasting long enough for that cycle?
     
  86. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    It was certainly lasting longer than I thought it might be and the rise to AMPS was not sharp or fast which is also encouraging. Let's see what he does through the day today.
    Vetsulin doesn't last long enough for many cats. Many will reach nadir early (around +3/4) leaving the end of the cycle in higher than desirable numbers. Tyler doesn't drop off like most which is good and now we know he is getting not bad duration.

    I did a cost comparison between Lantus and Vetsulin and on the dose you are using I believe Lantus might be cheaper if purchased from Canada. The initial payout is larger but the insulin can all be used before it goes bad which often is not the case with 10ml vials of Vetsulin.
     
  87. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok I also saw people use Prozinc? What do you think about that insulin, I think it's cheaper than Lantus? I am so tired I can't see straight lol Slept about an hour. Now Tyler is snoring away, I think I'll bother him lol only kidding
     
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    ProZinc is a good insulin for kitties but I think it's a little more expensive than Vetsulin ..... roughly $68 vs. $50 for 10ml vial in US I believe. In the end, the best insulin for kitty is the one that works. ProZinc tends to last 10 to 12 hours and sometimes a little longer while Vetsulin often only lasts about 8 to 10 hours. ProZinc drops don't tend to be as sudden and extend over a little wider time frame (gentler). Lantus on the hand is a little different beast that gives more carry over from cycle to cycle. Lantus isn't as forgiving as far as shot schedules are concerned and you don't see the results of any given dose as quickly because there is a depot of insulin that has to be built up/brought down at each dose change. That said, Lantus is so gentle you can often shoot much lower BG numbers because the curve is so gentle which is harder/impossible to do with the In/Out insulins.
     
  89. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Thanks for the information, I pay 65.00 for the Vetsulin at my vets office, so if I ever had to switch, which I hope I don't have to I would ask her about the Prozinc. I buy the vetsulin from my vet rather than on line because with the shipping on line it works out sbabo the same price. We have a compound pharmacy right by me that makes up Perry's Phenobarbital and Keppra for his seizures, I am going to ask them if they can get Prozinc
     
  90. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Chewy's has ProZinc for about $68 if memory serves and I'm sure your vet would charge more, Someone here said they were getting Vetsulin for $50 but I have no idea where they were purchasing it.
     
  91. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok thanks, the only insulin my vet carries is Vetsulin. Linda you had told me way back
    but I would have to search for it, What would be the lowest BG that I wouldn't have to worry about for Tyler @MrWorfMen's Mom Is it 68 with insulin?
     
  92. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yes 68 is the absolute lowest you want him to go HOWEVER, don't aim for anything less than 80 to 90 because Vetsulin can cause swift drops in BG. While 68 still leaves a little cushion to bring BG back up a bit before you are potentially facing a true hypo situation with longer lasting insulins, a little more caution is needed with a fast acting insulin. So what this means is that if you get Tyler's BG and he is at 90 or lower, you should intervene with a little food to keep/get his BG up and stop him from dropping any further. If he is below 80 then I'd suggest using food in the medium carb range. If he is around 68, then high carb. If he's between 80 and 90 low carb to keep him surfing rather than trying to pump him up at all.
     
  93. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok I'm writing this down right , I gave him a little bit under the 0.5 mark on the syringe this morning like you suggested, so far it's looking good . I've been testing him every hour so far , stsrtst at +3 and the next test coming up will be +6 and that will be at 3:30 pm @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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    One more question if I did ever have to intervene and give him any type of food for any of the BG ranges, I should then wait 30 minutes and test him to make sure his BG has risen @MrWorfMen's Mom is that correct
     
  95. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yes you feed but I'd test again in about 20 minutes. If BG is steady wait and test again in 15/20 minutes. If BG is still low or lower, a little more food...1tsp or so at a time because you don't want to fill him up in case you have to keep feeding for a bit. Food with gravy is great for high carb because you can give them the gravy with all the carbs. Wash repeat until BG is holding/rising without food influence. There is a sticky about handling hypos HERE.
     
  96. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Ok got it
     
  97. CandyH and Catcat

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    barging in to say Vetsulin from my vet was $68.95, and that supposedly with senior discount .. Chewy shows $55.82 right now

    I'd be tempted to watch to see if ProZinc goes on special there, then use that $15 discount that they keep mailing out, if you buy $49 or more
     
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  98. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    FRIDAY. 6-14-19
    AMPS - 214
    Gave a little bit more than 0.5 u
    +3 - 122
    +4 - 106
    +5 -. 108
    +6 - 131
    +7 - 136
    +9 -193
    Will test him at 8:30 pm
    Linda should we still stay with No Shoot 175 or under? @MrWorfMen's Mom
    I will post his PMPS tonight and see where we go from there @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
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  99. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    Friday 6-14-19
    PMPS - 191
    Should I give a little bit more than 0.5 like I did this morning @MrWorfMen's Mom
     
  100. MrWorfMen's Mom

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    Yup I would but make sure you get that before bed test to see what he's up to. Loving that blue pre-shot. :D
     

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