Update and Hello - 1st BG Curve!

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  1. PPCW

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    Hello!

    This is my first post but have been reading since late April when my cat, Coby, was diagnosed. After the diagnosis, I changed his diet to very low carb wet food only and was able to lower his BG from 450s to 35os (home tests). He started insulin (prozinc, 1.2 units, 12/12) yesterday and I just finished the first BG curve at home today.

    I think the numbers for the first curve looked OK but what do you think? Does it show bouncing because there is a >50% drop at nadir? The curve looks like a smile though. Since the PM BG is 214 mg/dL, I gave him another 1.2 units after feeding.

    Thank you for all of your valuable insights!

    Patricia & Coby
     
  2. Kris & Teasel

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    This is a really nice curve! I suggest you test again at +2 or +3 this evening to get an idea of where he's heading. I say this because your PMPS was lower than the AMPS. How was a dose of 1.2 units arrived at ? Are you using U100 syringes?
     
  3. PPCW

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    Hi Kris,

    The high AM number was probably due to a fur shot last night (too nervous). I will be testing him again PMPS+2 in a bit. The 1.2 unit was given by the vet based on 0.2 units/kg. I am using the U40 syringe and it is not easy to get a 1.2! I will probably switch to U100 because it will convert to 3.
     
  4. Yong

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    Not a bad curve at all :). Make sure to get U-100 syringes with half unit markings. If you're in the states, most Walmart pharmacies do carry them. Do you plan to keep updating your Spreadsheet? :smuggrin:
     
  5. PPCW

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    Good morning,

    The overnight numbers are not so good. Although he received 1.2 units for PMPS with BG 214, the number just got higher and higher and ending with 411 this morning which I haven't seen for quite a while. Yikes :confused:. Is this considered bouncing? I was very sure prozinc went in last night. I can't do a daytime curve today but will try another nighttime one.

    I will check out Walmart. Thanks Yong!
     
  6. Yong

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    Most important are the AMPS and PMPS, the extra tests in between will help us see what the dose is doing :). Could be what I call a delayed bounce, my boy has done them before :cat:
     
  7. Kris & Teasel

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    Yes, that's bouncing. o_O:) He's not accustomed to those lovely low blue numbers and his body is compensating by dumping glucose (from a stored form in his liver) into his bloodstream. A bounce can take up to 6 cycles to stop. It's part of the process and very common. Try not to fret.

    Stick with the 1.2 u for now - MUCH easier to draw up in a U100 syringe.
     
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  8. Rachel

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    I know it's tough to see those higher numbers, but the good news about a bounce is that you know the insulin is working!
     
  9. PPCW

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    Yes, I will keep track of his numbers to see how his body reacts! I will be able to do midpoint checks between errands today and another night time check as well. Coby has been so patient (and purrs) with all the sticks in his ears.

    I hope he puts weight on soon. He is so thin :(....
     
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    How much and when are you feeding? Diabetics, especially before they are regulated, do need a lot of calories, so you can really feed as much and as often as he wants until his weight gets into a healthier range.

    Now that I've said that, has your vet given any suggested weight? I think Sam looks too skinny now, but that's in comparison to how chubby he was when he was diagnosed. The vet assures me he could lose even a little bit more and be just fine. :cat:
     
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    He was 14lbs (chubby) before the onset of observable physical symptoms (i.e. increase food/water/pee) then dropped to 12.6 and the appetite was poor. Once I switched him to low carb food, I was able to feed him enough to get the weight up to 12.8 and stable but bony. The suggested weight from a vet before was the low 13s. He also lost a lot of fur which I hope will grow back once he is regulated.

    The feeding schedule is 3 times a day. I would like to feed him more smaller meals but I am not home in the mornings. I also can't leave food out because the 1 year old kitten along with the 2 year old will just gobble everything up!
     
  12. Rachel

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    Generally, as they become regulated, the physical symptoms start to go away. The fur should grow back then.

    You could try freezing some food and leaving it out to thaw...that way, at least no one can eat it right away. There's no guarantee which cat would eat it, but it could work...or could try a timed feeder. Again, no way to know who eats it, but at least they can't eat it right away?
     
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    You have no idea what the one-year-old is capable of.... She eats EVERYTHING that smells like food (cold or not) :banghead:! She is also a big bully and pushes other cats away to get the food.

    Anyway, AMPS+6 is high - back up to 352. Bouncing continues.... I will stick with the current 1.2-unit dosage for 6 cycles and hopefully see happier numbers.
     
  14. PPCW

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    Just checked his PMPS: it is 494!!! Should I give him more than the usual 1.2 units?
     
  15. Yong

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    I'd still hold the 1.2U since it's probably part of the bounce cycle :)
     
  16. PPCW

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    OK. Thank you Yong. Although I know I should hold it at 1.2 but it is just so scary to see 494 :nailbiting:. I will take a deep breath now :cat:.
     
  17. Yong

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    I know how you feel, take a look at Maury's early days :smuggrin:
     
  18. PPCW

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    It is truly a nerve racking journey!
     
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    Update from last night:

    PMPS: 494
    PMPS+3: 345
    PMPS+6: 329
    AMPS: 441

    Last night's cycle looked better than the daytime cycle, at least BG declined toward the midpoint instead of going up. Will continue with 1.2 units with the morning cycle and hopefully see the same improvements!

    Maybe Coby's body is starting to adjust. Fingers crossed!
     
  20. Yong

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    A lot of kitties tend to run lower at night and we are not sure why o_O:confused:.
    Sorry to be a pest, could you add the insulin used and meter in your Signature? Luckily we're on Prozinc forum but in case you have to post somewhere else it's good to have :).
     
  21. Rachel

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    It's always scary when you see those high numbers!
     
  22. PPCW

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    Will do!

    I am learning to take deep breaths and be calm when I see those numbers :cat:.
     
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  23. PPCW

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    Update:

    AMPS: 441
    AMPS+6: 340
    PMPS: 370, gave 1.2 units.

    Will do PMPS+3 & PMPS+6 tonight to see where the numbers go.
     
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    Update:

    Last night's PMPS = 370, 1.2 units
    Last night's PMPS+6 = 299
    This morning's AMPS = 461, 1.2 units

    Question: bounce may stop after 6 cycles. Is it 6 cycles after it starts? Also, any suggestions regarding Prozinc dosage?

    Thanks!
     
  25. Kris & Teasel

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    Usually we count cycles after the one that caused the bounce (the blues in your case). It's hard to know for sure, though, because it could be an overnight low that triggers a bounce.

    I suggest you try 1.4 u starting tomorrow AM.
     
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  26. Djamila

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    So the bounce is the part where they go from the low number to a high number, then they will often float along at those high numbers for a few cycles. Six is a rough estimate. Then there will be a more active cycle again and you know the bounce has "cleared" As the kitty get closer to a good dose, those high flat cycles usually don't last as long. If you're far away from a good dose, sometimes the bounce never really clears and you just have to increase the dose.

    Some people use "bounce" to refer to that entire process. Some people use "bounce" anytime they see any number that seems weird. So we aren't always all that careful about vocabulary around here.

    I think you can increase to 1.4 whenever you're ready. Or 1.5 since you're using the u40 syringes.
     
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  27. Rachel

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    And remember that a bounce cycle is different for each cat...and different over time for your cat! You'll get to recognize your own cat's patterns...we've had cats that have always had a high flat cycle for one cycle after a bounce...and some who have taken 6 or more to clear.
     
  28. PPCW

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    Thank you all for your comments. I think I will give 1.4 a try (I bought the U100 half unit syringes) either tonight or tomorrow morning and see how he reacts to it. Should I do a new curve with the new dose?

    I also tried to leave some food for Coby out last night like Rachel suggested. I slept in the loft where the food is and purposely put it right next to me. Every time I hear eating sound, it was the kitten (Cody). She is like a fly who just can't stay away from food! Coby and the 2 yo (Cory) just can't compete :banghead:.
     
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  29. Kris & Teasel

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    I'd give the new dose a couple of cycles before doing a curve. As we often say here curves are of less use than a scattering of tests at different times in the AM/PM cycles over a few days. That gives a better picture - more like a "movie". A curve is a "snapshot" and if you do it on a bounce day, it tells you very little.
     
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  30. PPCW

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    I see. I have been testing at AMPS, +6, and PMPS, +6. Will some random ones as well. It will also allow more flexibility in my schedule.
     
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  31. Yong

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    I was going to suggest moving to 1.4U too :). Got a later start today on the forum ;). You have any pictures of your civvie's? (non diabetics), we love pictures :cat:
     
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    Here you go!

    Cory is the ragdoll blue point, the princess
    Cody is the tuxedo, the fly, food addict, dishwasher
     
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    Started 1.4 units last night. It seems like his AMPS is getting higher and higher :(.

    Is it the same protocol to wait ~6 cycles to consider a change of dose?
     
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    Could just be some bouncing. 22 June seems to be the odd day. What was your starting dose?
     
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  37. Kris & Teasel

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    I agree about the bouncing issue. Very frustrating but not uncommon.
     
  38. PPCW

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    The starting dose was 1.2U.
     
  39. Yong

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    Just curious if you'd be open to trying 1.0U for a little bit (3 days)? :bookworm: As long as her ketones are negative, shouldn't hurt anything. That 22 June day is just standing out to me...
     
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    This would be an interesting data gathering exercise I think.
     
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  41. PPCW

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    Why go back down to 1U? Does overdose cause bounce-like reaction? The last time he was tested at the vet, no ketone.

    Also, how often should I test him to generate useful? I am basically out of the house in the mornings this week and the entire day next week.
     
  42. Yong

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    Too much insulin can keep numbers higher and look like too little. Just suggesting trying the lower dose now, before you get too much higher on the increase scale. Any time you can grab a test that is off your typical testing, to help fill in blanks. All data is useful :). The decision is completely yours :bighug:
     
  43. PPCW

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    Thanks for explanation! If a lower dose will give a better result, I am all for it!!! Will start tonight. Let the experiment begin :cat:.
     
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    First 1.0 unit shot last night:

    PMSP: 411
    PMSP+1: 423
    PMSP+3: 318
    PMSP+6: 362, was going to do one more after this but just didn't wake-up.
    This morning AMPS: 435

    Although the number has been high, Coby seems to be more energetic in the past 2 days. Also got Zobaline and should start soon.
     
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    His being energetic is a good sign!
     
  46. PPCW

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    Update:

    6/27 AMPS: 435
    6/27 AMPS+2: 453
    6/27 AMPS+6: 399
    6/27 AMPS+10: 445
    6/27 PMPS: 440
    6/27 PMPS+2: 384
    6/27 PMPS+4: 342
    6/27 PMPS+6: 348
    6/28 AMPS: 4: 480

    Based on the data: action of 1 unit of ProZinc's doesn't last 6 hours. Plus Coby is starting to show increased food/drink/pee now. Going back to 1.2 units.
     
  47. Kris & Teasel

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    I agree. This is how we figure out doses, with this type of experiment. If you don't see better numbers after 3 cycles at 1.2 u, go up to 1.4 u, then 1.6 u, etc.
     
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  48. PPCW

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    Yes. I will do that. Thanks Kris!
     
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  49. Yong

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    Like we said, it was just an experiment :). Resume dosing increase schedule ;)
     
  50. Rachel

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    It was a good time to do that experiment while on a small dose. Definitely time for an increase now and good news is we know for sure that he needs it! :)
     
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  52. PPCW

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    Hi Everyone!

    Spent the week at a baking class! I had my mom test Coby while I was away during the day.

    After increasing the dose from the experimental 1.0 back to 1.6U, the numbers were wonky at first but it seems to be more stable in the last couple of days. There were a couple of slightly below 200 AMPS/PMPS numbers and I chose NS. I think it was a mistake. I should have given him a lower dose to control the sugar better. Like this morning, AMPS was 198 and I gave him 1.0U. I hope to stay from the black numbers. What's your recommendation?

    Thanks,

    Patricia
     
  53. Djamila

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    When you get a lower-than-usual number, have you tried stalling without food? Most of the time, if you stall for 20 minutes (don't feed him!), the number will rise to a more normal number and then you can give the full dose. You can stall for up to an hour (testing every 20 minutes) to get a shootable number. It's important to not feed though since that will artificially inflate the number and you can end up over-dosing.

    How was the baking class? What did you learn? Are you going to share?!?!;)
     
  54. Rachel

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    Hi Patricia! Stalling is always my first go to if you can do it. Usually within that time frame they will rise to a better number. If you can't stall because you have to be out of the house, a reduced dose is a good option too. Obviously, if they're super low, you'd want to skip.

    You don't happen to live down the street and want to share your baking skills, do you? I could go for some baked goods! ;)
     
  55. PPCW

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    Last week was unique because I had to be out of the house by 6am. Didn't want to risk hypo while I was gone :confused:. I am on summer break right now so it is easier to test him but once August comes around, testing during the day is not going to be possible :(. I am testing him with a lower dose when AMPS/PMPS is slightly lower than 200 to see how he deals with it. This will give me a better idea on what to expect when I have to do this when I go back to work.

    Baking class was great! I took 2 other classes in previous summers and they were both about cakes. This time it was all about artisan bread baking. Here are some for your breakfast tomorrow morning, enjoy :D:

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    Ohhhh that bread looks so good!

    You do what you can with testing. For now, it's a good time for you to really fine tune the dose...when August comes, you'll test mid cycle when you can (weekends if possible or every now and then in the middle of the night maybe) and work with it the best you can. :) That's when a on the way out of the house or before bed test a few hours after the shot will really come into play. Even a +2 is helpful if that's what you can get! All data is good data.
     
  57. Djamila

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    Ummmm....I live on the west coast too! That's not very far away from that bread....
     
  58. PPCW

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    One concern I have about giving a full dose when the AMPS/PMPS number is +/- 200 is that will it induce hypo? For example, 7/7, his nadir on full dose (1.6) was 108.
     
  59. PPCW

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    Come on over Djamila!
     
  60. Kris & Teasel

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    It won't necessarily induce a hypo. On 7/7 that nadir value was very good. It's by accumulating a SS full of data that you learn your kitty's way of responding so you can make decent predictions. Some cats are very predictable, others aren't.
     
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    Got it. Will definitely do it now to see how he reacts.

    Thank you all for your knowledge and kindness! It has been invaluable in this journey!!!
     
  62. Djamila

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    It's extra hard to say if it would lead to a hypo or not when the kitty is bouncing around this dramatically. Most likely it wouldn't since your lowest number (86) is still pretty safe. But given the dramatic ups and downs, it could.

    I think 1.6 might be a smidge too high for right now. You're getting quite a few drops of more than 50% which is why he's bouncing so much. Plus, every time you adjust the dose, it sets of more wonky numbers. You've needed to reduce the dose a few times because of the pre-shot, but it does add to the complication.

    You might consider dropping back to 1.4, and then doing everything possible to hold that dose steady for a few days instead of changing it up so much. That means that if you get a lower-than-normal pre-shot, you'll need to stall without feeding for 20 minutes, then re-test and see if the number is closer to normal. If it's not there yet, you'll need to stall another 20 minutes without feeding and test again. Then you are most likely going to be high enough to give the full dose. It's kind of a pain, and the kitties don't love it since they want dinner NOW, but it lets you hold the dose steady which can help settle down those swings you're getting.

    1.4 isn't likely to be enough insulin in the end, but it could help to settle things down a little since your drops are so currently so big. Once things are a little calmer, you can resume the increases to start to get the pre-shots down more.

    Does all of that make sense? It may or may not help at all, but it's a strategy that sometimes works and may be worth considering. Totally up to you though if you want to give it a try.
     
  63. PPCW

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    Yes, it does. The dramatic increase of AMPS & PMPS has bothered me a lot and I have wondered about the >50% drop of BG in some of the recent cycles. I remember reading about it in the "intro" section of this forum. I started 1.4U this morning. His AMPS was 208, +2 was 174 then +8 was 118. Let's see he behaves for the next few days.
     
  64. Djamila

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    Wow, that's a nice, gentle cycle! Curious what he's going to show you for your PMPS tonight?
     
  65. PPCW

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    Fingers crossed for a low number :cat:! Coming up in 1 hr!!!
     
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    Don't be too disappointed if it's normal-ish, but I'd be super happy if it was pink!
     
  67. PPCW

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    Definitely, pink is much better than black!
     
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  68. PPCW

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    PMPS: 231. Pretty good. Let's hope for repeats like this!
     
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    WOW!!!! That's a great cycle! Amen to repeats of this, and even better things to come!

    Now for a little reality though: It's unlikely that lowering the dose a little "fixes" the bounces. This cycle was likely just a lucky coincidence, so please don't be too disappointed if those reds and blacks re-appear. Although the hope is that the lower dose will settle things a bit, I would doubt that every cycle will be quite this pretty. :)
     
  70. PPCW

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    Oh yes, I remember my 1st BG curve (which started this thread), the nice blue gentle curve. Then he started to bounce.... Despite the numbers, he has more energy now and started picking fights with the young ones :D.
     
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    Yup, that first cycle was text-book perfect! Too bad they can't all be like that!

    That's the best data of all: when they start feeling and acting better! How many other pets do you have?
     
  72. PPCW

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    Just 2 other cats but thinking about adding another kitten IF I can catch it!

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    OMG...he's adorable!!! It's a feral, I assume? Is he old enough to be away from mama? Do you know where the rest of them are?
     
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    It is a feral. All my cats were feral. This is a litter of 3. The other two have siamese seal point colors. They are not with mom when I see them. They are probably 1 month old.

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  75. Djamila

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    Aaaah! So cute!!! Both of mine were adopted from shelters as full grown cats, so I've never had a kitten. I want to take all of them!!!
     
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    Oh my gosh they are SOOOOOO cute!!!!!!
     
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    Too, too cute!!
     
  78. PPCW

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    I know, they are so cute! I want them all too :).

    AMPS: 238 with 1.4U!
     
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  79. Djamila

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    Well, sweet Coby! Look at that! Keep it up, kitty!
     
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    So cute how the one kitten has orange for the Siamese seal point markings! He's like a little dreamsickle! And he's gonna be FLUFFY! ♥
    Coby is looking very nice :cat::cool::D
     
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  81. Djamila

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    Whoa, King Coby! Look at that green at +7! I think you might want to consider dropping down to 1.2u. That's cutting it pretty close to the cut-off, especially since you have data that indicates his nadir is a little before that.
     
  82. Rachel

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    Whoa! That was quite a low +7. I mean, yes it's NICE but wow...I think a small reduction might be good especially if you can't monitor tonight.
     
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    I was quite shocked to see that green at +7 :eek: especially I wasn't home before that! I will monitoring him tonight as I gave him another 1.4 to see if there is going to be a repeat performance. Honey and syrup are all ready to go. I think he heard me saying "low numbers" too many times and said "Here you go!" :cool:

    PMPS was 241.
     
  84. Djamila

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    Honestly, I was expecting a higher PMPS. That doesn't even look like he bounced at all! I find that rather curious (in a good way) since he was bouncing like a ping pong ball just a few days ago. Can't wait to see what your before bed test shows tonight.

    If he's having an active cycle, you might consider giving a snack as you go to bed. It will give him a little extra to work with during the night.
     
  85. PPCW

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    He always gets a snack at PMPS+3 because I am not able to leave food out over night because Cody would eat it all. I will definitively do a +6 tonight. It is going to be a long night....
     
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  86. Rachel

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    Wow he had a really normal PMPS! That's completely unexpected...hope last night went well!
     
  87. PPCW

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    Good morning!

    His numbers were low last night. PMPS+3: 147 the +6 at 72. I gave him a snack at that point. The +6 would have been even lower if he didn't eat at at +3. So 1.4U is now high for him.

    The just tested AMPS is 151. Will test again in 20 min but he may not get over 200 in 20 minutes. How many times can I stall?
     
  88. Rachel

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    You can stall up to an hour. Then work your way back to shot time. Where's he at now?
     
  89. PPCW

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    166 AMPS+20min

    I am not going to be home in the morning. Is it better to just skip?
     
  90. Djamila

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    When will you be home today? Which hour into the cycle?
     
  91. Djamila

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    He's rising, so I wouldn't skip. But let's think about the dose for a second...
     
  92. PPCW

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    Most likely around +7.
     
  93. PPCW

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    May be a 0.5U? I will be leaving the house in 1.5 hrs.
     
  94. Djamila

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    I'm thinking 1u, but let's see what @Rachel says....?
     
  95. Djamila

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    You're only at +20min right now, so if you kept stalling another +20, you'd probably get close to 200. How are you doing on time? Do you have a few more minutes, or do you need to shoot and leave for work?
     
  96. PPCW

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    I am feeding the other 2 cats now and poor Coby is :mad:.
     
  97. Rachel

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    I agree with 1 unit. I think 1.4 got you good numbers if a bit too low. Going down so far might cause you to lose some momentum.
     
  98. PPCW

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    I am waiting for AMPS+40min right now, if I am able to shoot at 7am (pacific), then I leave the house @ 8am.
     
  99. PPCW

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    So I can give him 1 unit even he is not at 200 after stalling for an hour?
     
  100. Djamila

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    Yes, the no-shot under 200 rules is just when you're first learning and aren't confident with testing yet. You're a pro now, so you can shoot under 200. :)

    However, it's always always always up to you. You hold the syringe and need to do what you feel comfortable with. If it was me, I would shoot 1 unit, but if that makes you really nervous, it's okay to do what you feel okay about. It never hurts anyone's feelings if you make a more conservative choice.
     
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