Weight loss in regulated cat part 4

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  1. Waheeda

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    Hi @Yong @JanetNJ n @Kris & Teasel n everyone else!
    Start a new thread cos d 3rd one was too long.
    He went low last nite n took a while to climb back up eventho I resorted to giving him honey. This am shot up a bit at amps but now back to yellow n blue. Is this a good sign that he's not bouncy?
    Put him on diapers finally. Meant for newborn but we cut a hole for the tail. He looks funny. Don't thk he likes us much now.
    We buried our cat Sultan in a shady spot in the park. We miss him so much but hoping he's having a good time where he is now. Do u think we get to see them when our time is up?
     
  2. JanetNJ

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    So sorry about the loss of your cat. I absolutely believe you will. And if you pay close enough attention and are open to it?, you may get a sign he's visiting you now. My cat Nikki visited us a few times. Zimmy who died last month visited as well. I felt him jump on the bed and lay down behind me and my son felt him one night at dinner rub against his legs but when he looked to see which cat it was there was no one there.

    You may have to post a picture you'd your cat in a diaper. My sister did that to her dog when he became incontinent.

    Remember to lower the dose now that he Earned a reduction.
     
  3. Yong

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    Hi Waheeda! Great job last night with Jebat :bighug: Love your notes :cat: and I think it's good he wasn't too bouncy today. Maybe his body is getting used to more normal numbers so not panicking when hitting them this time. Course it's less scary when they have not had insulin to get them :smuggrin:. Like Janet said we might have to see a picture of Jebat in a diaper. As well as being open to a visit from Sultan. My GA boy visited me a few times over a year until Maury and I found our groove, Maury was a bad "teenager" lol.

    @JanetNJ Do you think Waheeda and Jebat need a new sliding scale? :)
     
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    I'd luv him to visit me. Definitely will open my eyes n heart. First time we lost a cat n it was too sudden. He's fiv+ so we r always very careful over his health. He stole our hearts quietly when we picked him and he left just as quietly. I thk he knows we are busy with jebat. He's such a gentle fella.
    Will lower d dose for 200-250 range. But I did not lower for 300-350 range. Will take reading at +6 n see where it stands.
    hi Yong,
    Was panicking a bit last nite cos his numbers din move up much after feeding him burp. N I don't Hv any high carbo food at home. Furthermore it was alrdy 1am n we were so tired. Kept begging jebat to giv a higher reading so we can sleep. Rubbed a teaspoon of honey before we got the 94 reading at 2am.
    I will post his photo with diaper tmr. Need to use d notebook. D bathroom was clean the whole day but we'll remove his diaper at night.
    By the way, what's GA? How long have u got Maury? I want so much for sultan to visit me.
     
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    That's him in diaper.
     

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  6. Yong

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    Oh my that's adorable!
    GA is Guardian Angel or Gone Ahead for kitties that have crossed the rainbow bridge. I've had Maury since he was 7 months. :)
     
  7. Waheeda

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    He's cute, isn't he? Struggled like crazy n he peed at me the first time. He seems to Hv lost some weight last few days so I'm back to feeding him 2 more meals.
    I've had him since he was a month old.
    Oh so my Sultan is my GA boy now.
     
  8. JanetNJ

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    I know he hates it but wook at da wittle baby!
     
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    Looks like this scale shld b ok:
    130 - 170 - 0.4
    170 - 200 - 0.8
    200-250 - 2.4
    250 - 300 - 2.6
    300 - 350 - 3
    >350 3.2

    D <200 range not really tested yet. I will try d stalling method first b4 deciding on wat to do.

    Sultan visited me this am. Heard his distinctive walk in the living room as per his usual morning routine. I thought it was my imagination but the sounds were so clear. Thank you all for sharing your experiences with me. I hope he'll come again soon.
     
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    Sounds like a plan.

    I'm glad you got a visit..... I think if people are open to noticing it that it is pretty common for them to come back and let you know they are OK.
     
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    Two days after my cat Nikki died we heard her scratching the scratching post three times in the middle of the night. We only had one other cat them and he was on the bed with us and he heard it too and sat up and stretched his neck to try to look down the hall.
     
  12. Waheeda

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    I guess they know we miss them lots. And they want to comfort us.
    Strangely jebat jumped on the sofa at lunch time today n snuggled next to me. I was so shocked cos he hasn't been on the sofa since he was diagnosed. Not easy for him to jump now. He looked at me and meowed and asked for chin rubs. I think he somehow knows I need to be comforted.
    How many cats do you have? How many are GA?
     
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    I have 6.

    I had Nikki, then got Taime. Taime died young.... Just had a heart attack on Thanksgiving day 2000. After he died we got Zimmy. Nikki died of cancer in 2004, and Zimmy was lonely so soon after we got CC (she's my diabetic).

    Then we took in Ally who was a stray we were feeding, clearly abandoned with a kitten sized flea collar digging into her waist. A month later we took in Lita who was about 5 months old and running from house to house screaming for food. This gets us to 4.

    Five years ago we started feeding an orange stray... She was friendly so we asked everyone we knew if they wanted her. When she got a hurt leg from a bite wound we convinced the in laws to take her, but it wasn't a good fit. Finally we took her. She was quite a challenge to integrate with the others but eventually things settled down bringing our total to 5.

    Two years ago a feral named Bubbles had 4 babies in our garage. We found homes for two of them, and took in the other two after one of them almost died of pneumonia. Officially crazy cat ladies we now had 7 until last month when my sweet Zimmy died. So we are at 6 now.
     
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    I like to think when you are so close with them, they also come back to see if YOU are ok:cat:. I think my GA boy knew Maury and I had a rough start, like I said he was a bad "teenager" :p.

    Yay for Jebat jumping up for some snuggles :smuggrin:
     
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    Well we are all crazy cat ladies! All my 5 were strays I picked up. Either they were wounded or left without d mummy.
    Jebat hasn't pooped for 2 days. Shld I see d vet? Any advice?
     
  16. Waheeda

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    Your GA boy was looking out for u.
     
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    Plain pumkin usually works
     
  18. Waheeda

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    Looks like ur Maury is dancing the same tune as jebat. Was happy with the green n blue yesterday n then he gave me a pink! :(
     
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    Sometimes they seem to hear the same beat to the current sugar song :smuggrin:. Jebat just has a little bouncing, otherwise beautiful cycle yesterday!
     
  20. Waheeda

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    Was hoping the beautiful cycle continues a few more days. :banghead:
    But eventho he's in d pink or yellow these few days, he's more sociable. Doesn't hide much. In fact he was waiting for me at the door. Wonder why the mood change. Would he be feeling good eventho his diabetes is not regulated yet?
     
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  21. Yong

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    Can only vouch for my situation because I'm not sure if it applies to everyone. Maury is not considered regulated yet but he definitely seems happier too =)
     
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    Oh good to know that! Ever since I lost sultan so suddenly, I became more sensitive to their behaviour. Just in case they want to tell me Sth.
     
  23. Waheeda

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    Wow! He was at low 100 at pmps till +1. So I din shoot. Right decision I hope? Will he bounce later? Keep paws crossed. This is exciting!
     
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  24. Kris & Teasel

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    You were right to skip the shot at this AMPS. Yes, he might bounce. I see some big jumps in dose on your SS - eg. from 2.2 u to 3.0 u. It's safer to increase by only 0.2 u at a time. You'll need to reduce a bit for his next dose - maybe 2.8 u max.
     
  25. Waheeda

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    Oh I was going by the sliding scale. I reduced the 200-250 range but not the 300-350. I thk Hv to relook at the scale again.
    I hope he doesn't bounce to 500. Not good for his organs.
     
  26. Kris & Teasel

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    I figured that you were using a sliding scale. That method can work well but the scale needs to be reworked frequently. Also changing dose often in a bouncing cat can lead to even more bouncing and BG instability.
     
  27. Waheeda

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    I used a scale as advised by Janet. I'm very confused here. U are of the opinion I shouldn't? If it's not a sliding scale, then wat fixed dose shld it be?
     
  28. Kris & Teasel

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    Janet has a lot of experience with sliding scales. I don't. Your best bet is to tag her for help in revising your scale. I apologize if I confused you. It wasn't my intention.
     
  29. Waheeda

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    No need to apologise. I know u meant well. I'm learning a lot from u all. I'll check with Janet, no worries.
     
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  30. Waheeda

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    Hi @JanetNJ
    Do I still stick to this:

    130 - 170 - 0.4
    170 - 200 - 0.8
    200-250 - 2.4
    250 - 300 - 2.6
    300 - 350 - 3
    >350 3.2
    After today pmps?

    Or does it need a reduction?
     
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    Hi kris,
    Since Janet is not online n not answering my query, perhaps u can help me as amps is in 7 hours time n I'm off to bed soon.
    Shld I lower the amps shot tmr from d present sliding scale?

    130 - 170 - 0.4
    170 - 200 - 0.8
    200-250 - 2.4
    250 - 300 - 2.6
    300 - 350 - 3
    >350 3.2

    Thank u so much!
     
  32. Kris & Teasel

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    My best answer is to say wait until morning to see what the AMPS is. He might surprise you. Also, Janet might see this thread before then.
     
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    Ok I hope she sees it soon. It's tough when u are on the other side of the world in a different time zone.
     
  34. JanetNJ

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    I agree no shot
     
  35. JanetNJ

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    Let's see what it is.
    Which numbers do you think are too high a dose?
     
  36. Waheeda

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    Hi hi,
    Glad u r online.
    The present scale seems to be working ok so far. My concern is after this low pmps, is there a need to lower the entire scale? Is there a correlation between the sudden low pmps n corresponding reduction in dose? Why was there a sudden drop in his BG at pmps wen the insulin wld Hv worn off? His pancreas is producing its own insulin? If this is true, shldnt we lower the vetsulin at the next shot? I'm worried abt tmr cos I can only test him at +3 n then I'm at work till pmps.
     
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    And another point that I need clarification on. I retested twice just to confirm on the readings n each time I get a difference of 20 points. I understand that this is due to the 20% variance in the meter. So when I decide on the dose to shoot, do I average out the readings? Cos the 2 readings could span out within 2 ranges e.g. readings of 235 n 255 require 2 different doses. How do I deal with it? D easiest is to get the average? Most of the times I only do 1 test so it cld be instances of slightly elevated dose or under-dosing.
     
  38. Yong

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    Very exciting :cat:. I agree with Kris that it may entail a reduction is needed for your scale but will let Janet provide :smuggrin:
     
  39. Waheeda

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    Amps is 309. Wat shld I shoot? @JanetNJ
     
  40. JanetNJ

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    If you can test is still do 3.... You hold the needle.... Up to you
     
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    I can test at +3. Doubt I can b home at +6. Was thinking of 2.6 but I thk 2.8 shld b ok?
     
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    I don't think 2.6 will do enough.
     
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    Ok 2.8 then. I wld do 3 if I'm home. Let's see where he goes with the reduced dose.
     
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  44. Waheeda

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    Thanks for being online.
     
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    Lol you're welcome.
     
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    One more question. So if he does go below 150 again in future, still no shot?
     
  47. JanetNJ

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    120-150 you could do 0.2 just to take it down a smidgen.
     
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    Yup was thinking of dat. Was scrutinising ur SS last nite.
     
  49. Waheeda

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    Maury had a good cycle too! Hope he continues. :cat:
     
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    Not a good day today. Is he still bouncing? Or should I adjust the dose? Peed lots of times today. More than past few days. Any idea why?
     
  51. JanetNJ

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    Ok so now you know when it's about 300 you can up it a bit. After you get a preshot test look at the numbers from the last 5 days or so to make your best guess as to what a dose will do to get you into the blues.
     
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    Ok thks. But I hv to sieve thru and ignore the bouncing days? When I get pre shots in the pink, is it due to bouncing or just that vetsulin has waned off after 12 hrs? Looks like the last few days, I only Hv bouncing on 26/5 pm? Am I analysing it rite?
     
  53. JanetNJ

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    I don't know that I see much bouncing.... Your cat just isn't regulated yet. It sometimes takes a while. Took my cat about three months to not have a lot of pink preshots.
     
  54. Waheeda

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    I see. I'll adjust the dosage slightly. Mayb break your sliding scale into 25 instead of 50. Thks!
     
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    Can someone interpret why I'm getting a flat yellow after pmps? Started with a blue at pmps n I gave a teeny bit of 0.2u. I'm pretty happy I'm not getting any pink but the flat yellow is a bit strange?
     
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    Flat cycle can also be a bounce cycle. Maury just had one 27 May ;)
     
  57. Waheeda

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    Oh ya! So similar! Sth new I learnt.
     
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  58. Waheeda

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    Hi hi,
    I'll be out whole day tmr n won't b able to do mid day test. To be on safe side, do u think reducing d dose by 0.2u is sufficient ? Or 0.4u? He did a great job today n we din seem to hv any pink or any bounce in the evening so I really don't wan to hv a big setback if I reduce too much. Any advice is appreciated. Thks.
     
  59. Yong

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    I'm typically one for tiny reductions so depending on his PS, thinking maybe just the smaller decrease since you won't be home. You hold the syringe though :)
     
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    Thanks Yong. It was a gd amps of 191 but unfortunately I don't hv much data at this reading to make a gd decision. All d past experience at this readings he bounced. So I went conservative n gave a 0.4u. I hv a feeling he will bounce tho.
     
  61. Yong

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    Good idea being conservative. He didn't bounce much either :)
     
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    I thk if I had gone for 0.8u he wld gone low! Luckily it rained so I left home later n managed to get some morning tests. I thk he ate some high carbo kibbles in d afternoon cos I forgot to remove d bowl meant for the other cats. Saw him at d bowl when I got home. :nailbiting:
     
  63. Yong

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    Forgive me if you mentioned this, have you tried to get the other cats on YAZ?
     
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    Yes I did but they were not interested. Actually the 2 have been eating more wet food than dry lately. Jebat also has moods, sometimes he likes YAZ n some other times he's not interested. All these while he looked at their bowl without any interest. Don't know why today he changed his mind.
     
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    By the way, he's doing much better after taking zobaline. After only 5 days, he cld walk from the kitchen to the bedroom without stopping. I'm so amazed how effective it is.
     
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    Because he's a cat :cat:
    That's great news! I think it's in combination with him having better numbers as well!
     
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    Hahaha ya u r right cos he's a cat! Wish I'm a cat whisperer. I keep telling him to eat the YAZ but he ignored me.
     
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    He went low today although I gave same dose as previous times at that reading. So do I reduce only for this range of reading or across the board?
     
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    Let's see what his numbers are at next PS. If you often have to reduce one dose by a lot or skip it all together then a lower dose over all is the way to go. The goal is a shootable PS in both AM and PM and those two doses shouldn't have to be extremely different.
     
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    Lately the am n pm doses r quite different. Whenever he starts in yellow or pink, the dose given is enough to sustain him till d next shot. But when he starts the pm shot in the blue which means a lower dose, his BG will end up in yellow. Looks like a typical cycle last few days. How do I break this cycle?
    I wanted to reduce the pm shot but since he seem to bounce at nite, I decided to be brave and stick to same dose and test at +4. Fingers crossed he'll be fine.
     
  71. Yong

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    I've actually been wondering if you need a new scale in general. Possibly reducing most of it but I am not qualified to give a new scale, just my opinion ;)
     
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    If I reduce it, will he go back to yellow? I'll try reducing by 0.2 from tmr. Took reading at +3 and looks like he din bounce yet. I just hope he doesn't go low again.
     
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    I would say try the reduction, his last week looks awesome! Only 3 or 4 pinks total :cat:
     
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    Yes we are so happy n he's walking much better n sleeping well today.
    So I just need to reduce by 0.2u across the board ? If he goes 130, do I skip? Right now the scale is 0.2u.
     
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    I think that will be fine, but once again I'm not familiar with sliding scales but it seemed to be a little too much, lately. This is just based on me looking over your Spreadsheet :). If he reads 130 and you are not able to stay with him through nadir (which looks like +6), I would skip. If you will be home to monitor him, you could try the 0.2U :) Make sure you have supplies ready if he were to drop lower. Better to be safe! :smuggrin:
     
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    He went low today too. 36 at +5 n I thot Sth wrong with the strip. Retested and it was 32. But he looked perfectly normal. Anyway, we managed to steer him to safety level. I reduced by 0.2u n he was lower still. So shld I lower 0.4u or 0.6u.
    @JanetNJ if u r online appreciate ur advice. Pmps in 4.5hrs. Thks!
     
  77. JanetNJ

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    Definitely time to adjust. What do you think of this?

    125-150. 0.2
    150-180. 0.6
    180-220. 1
    220- 250. 1.4
    250-300. 2
    300-350. 2.4
    350+. 2.8
     
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    Wow u r just in time! I was about to get the insulin but was cracking my head on the dose. I was thinking of giving him 1.6 for his pmps at 229 but u r even going lower at 1.4. I'll try ur scale. If too low can adjust up in a day or 2. Better be safe. Thks!
     
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    I just tweaked a number.... But yeah I think he needs less. I'd rather go conservative and have to raise it a bit... Good luck!
     
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    Oh but below 200 ur scale is too high. U take a look at my SS.
     
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    1.6 would probably be perfectly safe too.... Use your best judgement. Not really much difference and he seems to run higher at night.
     
  82. Waheeda

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    He's still bouncing at night. Always very flat.
     
  83. JanetNJ

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    Ok let's go lower. Would you like to just say

    125-150 0.2
    150-175. 0.4

    175-200 0.6

    ?


    The other day you shot 0.4 at 191 and it got down to 138.... Not bad but could come down a little bit more.
     
  84. JanetNJ

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    It's possible lowering the dose a bit will help prevent a bounce
     
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    I thot I made gd judgement this morning by reducing 0.2 but it wasn't enough. I can fill in above 200 after tonite' readings. If d readings r flat tonite, it means I can increase by 0.4 ?
     
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    Oh I see, lowering will help. Will take note. Thks.
     
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    Great job steering, Waheeda! Jebat is looking very good! :)
     
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    Thanks Yong. We din expect him to go that low. Luckily we checked wen we did. He's so pissed we kept giving him honey. Lol!
     
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    Night readings at +4 n +6 look flat. Bouncing? Shld reduce some more ? But I'm not sure if he doesn't bounce, how low will it be at nadir.
     
  90. JanetNJ

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    you gave him food between 4 and 6.... it's probably flat because the food raised the numbers for 6. still nice blues.
     
  91. Waheeda

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    Oh ya dat makes sense. He's always hungry nowadays. So stressful making him wait for wet food until test time cos he makes so much noise. I guess giving him 1.6u would not push it down too low, ya? Next time I'll up it to 1.6 for the 225-250 range. Thks for helping me with the new scale. Appreciate it much. U guys are so much better than any of the vets here.
     
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  92. Waheeda

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    Hi hi,
    He was in the lime green again at +6 after reducing dose. @JanetNJ makes sense to reduce another 0.4u ?
    25 - 150. 0.2
    150 - 175. 0.4
    175 - 200. 0.6
    200 - 225 1
    225 - 250 1.4
    250 - 300 1.6
    300 - 350 2.0
    >350 2.4

    Is it normal to suddenly get a big reduction? Does it mean his pancreas is healing?
     
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  93. JanetNJ

    JanetNJ Well-Known Member

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    Yep! So glad these numbers keep going down!
     
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  94. Waheeda

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    Oh wow dats good!
     
  95. Waheeda

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    Hi,
    can take a look at his SS last few days? He went low again in the day today. But pm readings were in the blue and even yellow. So do I reduce the >200 range? And increase the 125-200 range?
     
  96. Yong

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    I think it's about 02:45 Friday for you right now, so you're probably asleep :p but I think you'd want to reduce the whole scale again. 2.0U seemed to be too much on his 300-350 PS, BUT that could also be due to them being bounce numbers.
    So your last scale post:
    25 - 150. 0.2 I don't think you should ever shoot at 25. Hoping you just forgot the 1 and this range is 125 - 150 :)
    150 - 175. 0.4 --> 0.2
    175 - 200. 0.6 --> 0.4
    200 - 225 1 --> 0.8
    225 - 250 1.4 --> 1.0
    250 - 300 1.6 --> 1.2
    300 - 350 2.0 --> 1.4
    >350 2.4 --> 1.6

    Only reason I'm thinking difference of 0.2 for higher end of the scale instead of 0.4 like you originally had is because when he gets these numbers right now it seems they are bounce numbers. I'll tag @JanetNJ to she can give thoughts on my thought :smuggrin:
     
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  97. Waheeda

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    Thanks Yong! So you are saying the yellows are bounce numbers? I think they are too cos he was really low during the day.
    Would you know why I get high numbers at amps? Amps is always higher than pmps. Is that the norm?
    I'll use your scale and see how it goes today.
     
  98. JanetNJ

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    Looks good. :) nice numbers the last few days. I like the 1.6 for the 300's.
     
  99. Waheeda

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    Yup nice numbers lately but I'm going crazy rushing home mid day to check on him.
     
  100. JanetNJ

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    that would be tough. maybe only do that every other day then, and weekend get more complete curves. can't drive yourself too crazy.
     
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