? Will someone be up tonight?

Discussion in 'Prozinc / PZI' started by Peppersmom72, Jan 27, 2018.

  1. Peppersmom72

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    I did a curve last night on Pepper. She went from 400's down to 144 and surfed for a few hrs. Tonights PMPS was 289, I gave her her full dose of 1.5u and now I'm scared and having a panic attack that I'm going to make her go hypo.
     
  2. Djamila

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    What time zone are you in? I’ll be in and out for about five more hours, so if you already have the injection that should be enough time to know what Pepper has in mind. And there are always folks out in Main Health if no one responds here quickly enough.
     
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  3. Djamila

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    Deep breaths... I think with those numbers she will most likely be just fine. :bighug:
     
  4. Peppersmom72

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    I'm in EST zone. I gave her her shot at 630.
     
  5. Peppersmom72

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    At 289 PMPS?
     
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  6. Sarah Smith

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    I'm not an expert, but will be around for morale support and anything else I can help with :bighug: I think she will be ok as well, she was fine on 1/24 with the same dose with a slightly lower PMPS :cat: and tonight you will be watching to make sure you keep her safe! :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  7. Kris & Teasel

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    My guess is that she'll be OK. Here's what to do:
    • Test her at +2 because this can give you an idea of the kind of cycle you might have. If the +2 is similar or a bit higher than PMPS it will likely be an uneventful cycle - ie., no scary dives. If it's quite a bit lower, say 50+ points, that can be a sign of action to come (general rule, not carved in stone).
    • If +2 test is 50+ points lower give a small snack of her regular low carb food (1-2 teaspoons). This is to try to control the BG drop so it's gentler and she doesn't get into lime green numbers. Test again about 30 minutes after the snack. Repeat the same type of snack if she's still dropping steeply. This whole process is called "steering with food".
    • If necessary, continue these small snacks and tests every 30 minutes or so until you reach her usual nadir time.
    • Stick to using low carb food for snacks unless a lime green number pops up or she gets very close to 50 on your meter. Then you can try higher carb snacks such as a teaspoon or two of gravy from a high carb wet food.
    • Keep all snacks small so she doesn't get too full too soon in case you have to keep steering with food.
    • Post here for advice.
    • Try to breathe. ;)
     
  8. Rachel

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    I'm thinking she'll be okay too. Kris has given you a great guide to follow! Keep posting here if you need support or just want to talk. I'll try to check in for a bit, and several others are around too...you're not alone! :bighug::bighug:
     
  9. Myagi (GA) and Heidi

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    Looks like you're in good hands! But Myagi and I will continue to be around for moral support if you want us! :bighug::bighug:
     
  10. Kris & Teasel

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    Please post your +2 test as soon as you get it.
     
  11. Kris & Teasel

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    Just saw the 250 at +2. That's not a big drop so you don't need to intervene with a snack right now. I suggest you get a +4 to add to your data base.

    ETA: Oops! I see you gave her a little LC snack. Not a problem. Try for a +4.
     
  12. Peppersmom72

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    She's begging for food, so I gave a small snack. This isn't unusual for her. She will continue to drop. Thank you @Kris & Teasel
     
  14. Sarah Smith

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    Almost time for +4?
     
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    Now I'm getting nervous, 3 hrs until nadir
     
  17. Sarah Smith

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    I know how nervous your feeling, but try not to panic yet, I think she'll be ok. Will get to see some nice greens on the SS :cat:
     
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  18. Peppersmom72

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    She's eating her evening meal now and then she's done eating until 6am.
     
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  19. Peppersmom72

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    That will be a first for her if she makes it to green.
     
  20. Sarah Smith

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    The lower blues are scarey, I had a hard time not panicking and sabotaging the cycle, especially with Cooter. He used to cliff dive through the numbers! Went from 500's to 74 at +4 one night... The folks here helped me keep him safe, just like they will help keep Pepper safe if its needed :bighug:
     
  21. Sarah Smith

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    How much did she eat? That should slow her down a bit, I would at least check her again at +5
     
  22. Peppersmom72

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    She ate 1/8 of a can of FF Classics
     
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  23. Djamila

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    No need to be nervous! She should surf from here. She may hit a nice safe green, but unless you've been sneaking her a bunch of carbs, she shouldn't dive at this point.
     
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  24. Peppersmom72

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    No carb sneaking here. Lol
     
  25. Djamila

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    I really do think it will be safe if you need to get some sleep. Prozinc doesn't have a direct connection to the PS number the way that Novolin does. If the kitty is on all low carb food, the dosing is consistent, and the +2 isn't dramatic, then most kitties will flatten along the bottom of the cycle and just surf until the insulin starts to wear off. There are kitties who like the drama, but most of the time you can see that coming in the early numbers. Of course if you're just curious, or want to try to catch a green, then by all means keep going. But if your eyes are heavy, I don't see anything in these numbers that would give me reason to worry.
     
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  26. Sarah Smith

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    Just wanted to tell you good job with Pepper Missy! I know you had a long night last night as well. The things we do to keep our babies safe :bighug:
     
  27. Peppersmom72

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    Thank you all so much for sticking around with Pepper and I.
     
  28. Djamila

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    Yes, Sarah is right: you're doing a great job. It is really scary at first when you just aren't sure what your kitty will do, and how she will respond to different doses and different numbers. You are doing a great job of taking care of her, and a great job of collecting the data that will help you make decisions and feel confident about them as you go forward. I still get nervous shooting on lower-than-normal numbers even after a year of data showing me how my cat responds. It does get easier though. I hope you and Pepper get a good rest with the hours that are left tonight!
     
  29. Sarah Smith

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    No thanks necessary!
     
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  30. Sarah Smith

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    167 at +5, darn no green tonight! ;)
     
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    Pepper decided to go back down and is surfing again tonight. 41427-Surfing-cat-selfie.jpg
     
  34. Sarah Smith

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    I'm still around if you need anything, but she should start coming up again if her past trends hold true. Either way I dont think she'll go into any kind of danger zone tonight :cat:
     
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    She's still dropping. 127 @ +8
     
  36. Sarah Smith

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    Crazy cats, never predictable! No fear, 127 is still perfectly safe! Maybe she wants to show you a green tonight for all your hard work?
     
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  37. Peppersmom72

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    She is for sure giving me a surprising night. Is it normal for her to keep going down this late after her pm injection?
     
  38. Sarah Smith

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    Its not unheard of. Prozinc usually hits its low point between +5 and +7, but every cat is a little different.... Plus you have to factor in the meter tolerance. You can take 2 back to back tests with your meter and they will most likely be different numbers. I took 3 tests from Mary last week, within a minute of each other, 410, 362, and 312.
     
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  39. Peppersmom72

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    Oh she's definitely different. Lol. She has such a personality. Most would look at it like bit**y, but she's so loving with her mama bean. We've always been close, but there's a new bond since she started insulin.
     
  40. Sarah Smith

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    If diabetes is good for anything, it strengthens the bond we have with them... its definately not good for anything else!
     
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  41. Peppersmom72

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    That is the truth!
     
  42. Peppersmom72

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    @Myagi and Heidi

    Look who's decided to make me stay up all night again. I guess she wanted a retry from last night. Crazy kitty!
     
  43. Myagi (GA) and Heidi

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    Pepper! Oh my! I fell asleep and missed some excitement. Missy you seem to be hanging strong! You ok? :bighug:
     
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    Super tired, especially since last night's fun. (Curve). Plus I can hear her snoring and I'm about to test her again. She's gotta be super tired too.
     
  45. Myagi (GA) and Heidi

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    My fave test is when he is napping in window. Sunshine has heated his ear and I can poke and run with him barely opening an eye!
     
  46. Sarah Smith

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    Isnt it nice how they sleep while you worry lol
     
  47. Peppersmom72

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    I gave her a snack about 45 mins ago. She is at 145 @ +9. I think I'm in the clear to go to bed.
     
  48. Sarah Smith

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    Will be curious to see her AMPS, bet it will be right around 200.... but then again, shes a cat so who knows! Either way you should be good to catch a little sleep :cat:
     
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  49. Peppersmom72

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    I'll be back up at 6 to start her day.
     
  50. Sarah Smith

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    Good night, and nice job making sure she was good tonight! Will try to see how she is in the AM :)
     
  51. Myagi (GA) and Heidi

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    Sweet dreams! Another great job! :bighug:
     
  52. Sarah Smith

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    Just remember if she is under 200, you can stall for 15min and retest. Hopefully you wont have any issues. Goodnight!
     

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