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This week my cat was just diagnosed with diabetes. His blood sugar at the vets was 471. He also has kidney disease. He drinks alot of water but has been since he was diagnosed with the kidney issues a year ago. He got a full blood workup last year and was not diabetic. He recently started drinking even more water, I thought his kidneys were failing. But now he is diabetic. I'm concerned he could have been for a long time without me realizing something else was wrong. My vet gave me Prozinc and right now he is getting 2 units every 12 hours. He was on Proplan dry food and Fancy Feast or Friskies canned food. My vet put him on DM dry food. Right now I'm mixing it in with the ProPlan. He's eating 1.5 oz of the canned food. His name is Sebastian and he's almost 16 years old. He's black and long haired. He is doing good with taking the insulin shots but I'm having trouble getting his blood tested. I can't find a vein in his ear. My friend came over to help with no success.

Any advice you can give me would be greatly appreciated.

my friend is doombuggy btw.
 
Welcome! Everyone here understands your anguish. We were all overwhelmed at first. The good news is that this is a treatable disease, something you can manage at home. Cats can be regulated and some cats even go into remission.

So glad you want to home test. It's vital to know that your dose is safe to give and easy to see how the dose is working. Warming the ear was vital for us. Cold ears don't bleed well. You can take a thinnish sock, fill it with rice and warm it in the microwave until very warm but not hot. Then put it next to your cat's ear for 30 seconds or so, before poking. What size lancet are you using? Most humans use 30-31 gauge, but cats often need 25-28 in the beginning, to make a larger hole.

Getting him off all dry food can really help. But DON't change to a wet low carb diet until you are testing. When we switched Oliver from dry to wet, he went down 100 points overnight. If we had just given him his regular dose, he would have hypoed.

We like to see new diabetics start low and go slow with dosing - .5 to one unit twice daily. We figure we can always increase the amount when the testing tells us it is safe to do so.

Read, ask questions. We would love to help you help your kitty.
 
Here are hometesting tips: http://felinediabetes.com/FDMB/viewtopic.php?f=14&t=287

You're not aiming for a vein. You're aiming between for the little space between the edge of thear and the ear vein that runs alongside it. Here's a picture: http://i106.photobucket.com/albums/m267/chupie_2006/testingear/sweetspot.jpg Hold a flashlight under the ear to see where the vein is and where you need to poke. Most people poke the furry side of the ear but for dark eared cats the inside of the ear may be easier to see where you are poking.

Warm ears will have a better ear flow and easier to get blood from poking. A rice sock works well. Sue posetd basic instructions on how to make one.

You can try a higher depth setting on the lancet device as well. Be sure to press the lancet device firmly against the ear and poke. It helps to hold the rice sock on the other side of the ear so you have something firm to poke against.
 
Home testing was hard for me at first too. There were a couple of times that I was nearly in tears from frustration, and poor Shady was growling from having his ears poked so many times with no blood. I have gotten better at it now with practice. I think besides warming the ear up first like Sue mentioned, the other things that have helped are using a cotton ball, tissue, or washcloth to hold his ear from the other side- it makes it more stable and solid to poke. Also just learning the best spot to stick. If you use a little penlight type flashlight, you can see the vein easier, and poke just outside the vein.

Hope this helps. Don't worry, it will definitely get easier with practice!
 
What wonderful tips!
I was just tearful for weeks and then I found this place and all the support!
Something that helped calm Bean was treats! She quickly learned that she would get a specical treat - just that treat for pokie poke time... She has been in remission for 1 yr and still, I can grab her pokie basket with all the supplies and she will beat me to the chair.... treats, extra loving! heck ya!
I know that I had to get myself in a routine..... all items out and ready, same chair, same treat - before she calmed down (I know she felt my being upset). She is really a great patient, just needed momma to become a great caregiver.... time will help as it does all that are here.
Something else that I might want to add was some neosporine with pain ointment added right before poke time.
Hang in there! Get on here, vent, scream or whatever else you might need to do....we are all here for each other!
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As some of you know, I am not very good at ear pokes. If Cedric could speak English, he'd agree. Tonight, I must have poked Sebastian (MustLoveCats FD) 12 times and he took it like a champ. I think I came close once but no blood for the meter.

I gave her my kit to use for now and the lancets I buy from Target are 28 gauge. I think I just wasn't getting close enough, I was kind of flying blind since he's a black long haired cat. I gave him some of the new Evo grain free treats I brought for him. :-D He really liked those!

MustLoveCats - when you are able to get your gmail set up, if you need help with the spreadsheet and I am not around, Sue and Oliver really helped me withgeting mine set up. It really frustrated me and she was super helpful. Like all of the folks here.

Getting late and I have my own blood test at Quest tomorrow for my thyroid - fasting too! :-x TTFN.
 
Welcome MustLoveCats!

You will certainly get great information on this board as well as wonderful help from other members. No question is too stupid, or too minor to ask.....someone will answer you. It can be very overwhelming in the beginning, especially when things crop up that you might not have expected. If you need help with any of the spreadsheets, topic sections, or just where to find information, some will help you out. There are many experienced diabetic kitty parents here that help you along in getting Sebastian much healthier.

The blood testing can be nerve-wracking. My Boy refused to let me near his ear for a couple of months....I had to slowly start doing them more. He does pretty good now, but like you, I sometimes have difficulty getting a decent amount of blood for testing....despite the warm rice sock, etc. I finally realized (duh) that the lancet was too thin in gauge to get much of a sample and went and purchased a larger gauge. That works about 85% of the time. I hate having to re-poke, probably not more than Boy though. The past 3 days or so I started using the One Touch Ultra2 meter....it requires less blood than the Mini I had been using, so that was a help.

It won't be long before you have down the basics!
 
Hi, and welcome to the board! Jesse was kind enough to let us know you were on the way!

squeem3 already told you about maybe using the inside side of the ear rather than the outside, which I have read helps a lot of people with black eared kitties. Another thing you might try, if you feel comfortable with it, is to try poking using the lancet freehand instead of using the device. I was shown how to do that by the vet tech the very first time, and never used the device. I did feel I had a lot more control freehand, and it was much easier to see the spot I was trying to hit.

Please feel free to post here or in the PZI forum. You'll find all the people there very willing to help with questions specific to the insulin Sebastian is on. There are also a couple people there who have or have had kitties with kidney issues as well.

Glad to see you and let us know if you have questions about anything!
Carl
 
Hello and Welcome,

I am also pretty new here. We found this link helpful for ear pricking tips.

http://www.sugarcats.net/sites/harry/earprick.html

We use a sock filled with rice and heat it in the microwave about 17 seconds. It gets pretty warm and will help you get what you need.

Make sure the light is good. We use a 28 lancet, without a device and seem to have more control that way.

We still sometimes have to try several times. :roll:

Jennifer
 
I do want to mention that the meter I loaned her is a Reli-on. I also free hand with the lancet and that is what I was showing her, but I was trying it on the top of the ear, like I do for Cedric. Didn't know that you could try the inside edge, she might have a better time of it. I gave her the rice sock I had and we did use it last night. When poking Cedric, I use a small heating pad that came in one if his toys:
http://www.petsmart.com/product/index.j ... Id=3469936
Lastly, the OP is new to the message board experience. :smile:

Thanks for your thoughts and keep them coming - I am sure there is stuff I missed!
 
Yup use the inside edge of ear - less fur to deal with and much easier to manage.

Make sure to use a flashlight as a spotlight to see where you are poking. Also, try holding the lancet at an upward 45 degreeish angle and poke that way, rather than trying to poke straight into the ear. Here is a pic of what I mean:

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and remember to use petroleum jelly on ear before poking. this will help any blood to bead up and make it easier to test with.
 
I want to offer my 2 cents on diet for diabetes and CKD:

There are commercial foods that are good to feed for both conditions. You simply need a low carb, low phosphorus canned food, preferably without byproducts (higher quality protein sources cause less protein metabolism residue, which are easier on the kidneys). Keeping your cat as hydrated as possible is key to managing the disease, along with low phosphorus foods, so definitely no dry food at all. Mixing water in with the canned food is one good way to help with hydration. Many people also find that cat drinking fountains also encourage cats to drink more. Anything you can do to get moisture in your cat is important. The low-protein kidney diets have only been shown to be beneficial in end stage renal failure and should not be fed long term. In fact, they can cause muscle wasting when fed in early stage CKD. Because diabetes is also a concern, you really need a diet that feeds to BOTH conditions.

Here's an updated food list with the values for several premium foods: https://docs.google.com/leaf?id=0B8...MzhkYTkxOGM4NThk&sort=name&layout=list&num=50. You're looking for something with less than 10% carbs and less than 250 mg/kcal of phosphorus. The foods I would suggest are Merrick's Before Grain Beef, Merrick's Before Grain Turkey, Merricks' Cowboy Cookout, Merrick's Surf & Turf, Wellness Turkey, EVO 95% Chicken & Turkey, and Blue Wilderness Duck.

If those are out of your price range (although I would strongly urge a food without byproducts, keep in mind that they're still cheaper than the prescription foods and usually about the same as many grocery store brands if bought in bulk), the next best thing to feed are the low carb Friskie's Special Diet flavors. These are Turkey & Giblets and Salmon Dinner--make sure they are the ones that say "special diet" on the can, though. PetSmart carries them, and some grocery stores. Here is an updated list of just the phosphorus values for many commercial foods. They can be cross referenced with Binky's chart for carb values if there's something on there that you want to feed. On this chart, you're looking for something that is less than 1% phosphorus (these values are on a dry matter basis, not mg/kcal): http://www.felinecrf.org/canned_food_usa.htm

Do NOT use Binky's list for phosphorus values--the carb values are still ok to use but the phosphorus values are really out of date, and some things that were low on that list are now ridiculously high in phosphorus. You can cross reference the carb content from foods on Binky's list with the phosphorus values on Tanya's canned food list, however.

My Gabby had early stage CKD and she was on a med-high protein, low phosphorus diet for the last 2 years of her life. Her CKD did not progress AT ALL on the low phosphorus/high quality protein diet. She passed away from cancer, unrelated to her CKD.
 
Thank you so much for all of your comments and suggestions. I'll make sure to take them all in.

Last night I did try to test Sebastian's blood. I used a flashlight and still couldn't really see anything. I started poking a little anyway close to the edge of his ear hoping I would get something. I did use the warm rice sock first. Unfortunately, he was poked quite a few times the other night so he doesn't even want the sock near him as he knows what's coming next now. I tried to comfort him and hug him and tell him what a good boy he was. He still tried to run away. He's doing great with the insulin shots but getting the blood is going to be tricky.
 
The next step might be a kitty burrito. We had to use this on Oliver at first; once he got used to it, we quit. We put a towel down next to the arm of the couch, plopped him on top and wrapped him until only his head showed. (treats now might be nice the first few times). I could press him lightly into the arm so he couldn't get away until the poke was done.

If the rice sack won't do the trick, try a pill bottle filled with very warm water. It also makes a good surface to poke against.
 
The only other thing I would suggest is trying a 26g lancet. Since you already have 28g, this might not make enough difference, but that was the size that allowed me to get blood out of Saima's ear most reliably. And they are fairly cheap, so it might be worth a try.
 
Hi, I know how frustrating it is at first. And the more nervous about testing you are the more Sebastian will pick up on it. Try just play w/ and massaging his ear every time he sits w/ you to get him used to it. Then the warm sock , just next to him and then warm the ear. Work up to it. It really helped for Tess to make a smaller sock, the first larger version freaked her out. BTW put a second sock over the first to take off and wash! :-D

Tess is early stage 2 CKD too. If you go to her SS, there is a tab that says LC/low phos click on that and I have a list of most of the foods that are good for both FD and CKD. Using these reduced phosphorus foods reduced her blood phos levels from 5.4 to 4.6 in just 3 months! :-D Avoid foods that are fish based as they tend to have higher phosphorus.
 
Yeah! I just got some blood. I put Sebastian on my kitchen counter so I could see really well under the light. I only had to try a couple of times and the blood came. His BS is still really high at 396. He sees the vet on Tuesday for an all day testing.

So, you guys all say canned food is best. So the DM dry food the vet sold (real expensive btw) isn't going to work for him?
 
Congrats! Welcome to the Vampire Club.

The dry food is high carb - like feeding donuts to a human diabetic taking insulin. The numbers won't be moving anywhere. A vet explains why wet low carb is best here: www.catinfo.org Be careful when switching from dry to wet. You want to be monitoring his levels carefully. When we switched, Oliver came down 100 points overnight. If we had given the usual dose, he would have hypoed.

As far as the vet curve, it probably won't give you accurate numbers. Too many noises, strange animals, people who are not the mommy - all that raises stress and stress raises bg levels. You could tell the vet you are testing at home and you would like to do the curve. Save you money and give you more valuable info.
 
You can also return the unused dry food to the vet and ask for a refund. Tell them Sebastian won't eat it. They'll give you your money back (and probably get their money back from Purina, or feed it to any cats they board). And you can use that money to buy good food with!

Carl
 
Sebastian's blood sugar level is 314 tonight. Does anyone know how much it will drop with 2 units of insulin? That's what my vet has prescribed.
 
No way to know, but if you get numbers tonight, you can be sure he stays in safe numbers. If you haven't already given him the shot, you can reduce it a little, if you are nervous. The way you (and we) decide on doses is to look at what a dose has done in the past with an amount of insulin. The more numbers, the better the prediction.

Can I help you with your spreadsheet? It is a great way for you, your vet and us to keep track of Sebastian's history with doses and numbers. If you want help, just send me a pm. (choose the little PM button on the bottom left hand side of my post.)
 
Wanted to say CONGRATS! ON THE POKEY POKE! to you both!

I just know that you will feel much better knowing those numbers ~ Bean's first sucessful test was 2.5 hours after her shot and she was only 27!! on 1.25 units..... THANK GOSH for this forum. WE had a rough 4 + hours, but she did come back up and that is only with the help from everyone here.... That was a yr ago and she is still in remission. My vet did not want me to home test, wanted me to increase the dose from 1 unit to 2 from only one curve done in their office, do weekly curves there and he also wanted her to eat the script food.

This forum changed every bit of that!!!!! And, my girl is still with me today! I thank gosh for this place everyday....

What a wonderful mommabean you are for your Sebastian! :smile:

I love reading sucessful stories to start my morning! Testing Bean was so difficult for me at first. Scared to death and she could tell...practice and more practice... getting down our routine, extra lovin and special treats were the ticket to testing for us and of course the WONDERFUL help and support from everyone here. :RAHCAT
 
MustLoveCats said:
Sebastian's blood sugar level is 314 tonight. Does anyone know how much it will drop with 2 units of insulin? That's what my vet has prescribed.

Sorry I have been sick. Tried to eat after you called on Friday night but got about 2 bites. Ended up eating some crackers and calling out sick from my job on Saturday. I am feeling a bit better today and will eamil you. You might want to post in the PZI forum about the dosing. I'll email you now with a link. :smile:
 
WELCOME

Congratulations on getting blood! And, congratulations on finding this forum - what a life-saving treasure it is! I see you've already met some SUPER people who don't sugar coat their words.
Carl & Bob in SC said:
And you can use that money to buy good food with! Carl
:lol: I've learned soooo much in the 4 months since I joined. And, I can attest to the difference between the dry and wet. Even with Hershey's numbers all over the place - the switch to wet made SUCH a difference in his coat!! I had almost forgotten how beautiful and super soft his coat used to be.

Keep reading and asking questions!!

Libby (and Hershey, too!)
 
Spoke to OP on the phone last night and wanted to give you guys an update. She did Sebastian's curve herself on Tuesday but it sounds like he's still in the 300s. Reminded her what everyone here told me: it's a marathon not a sprint. :smile: She is trying to give just canned food, but apparently he likes the DM dry. I think she only put out the canned on Tuesday when she was home and could watch him. She got her own meter and seems to be doing better at the ear pokes than I do. :-D unfortunatly, she thinks Sebastian is mad at her for it and peed on her on purpose the other day. Any of you guys had that kind of reaction from your cats?

She is keeping track of the numbers but hasn't set up a spreadsheet yet. She told me last night that she is a little overwhelmed. i totally understand that!
Thanks everyone for your continued help with this newbie! He goes back to the vet for a check up and review of Tuesday's curve on Friday afternoon. At least I think she's taking him, maybe she's going alone...
 
I have been able to keep Sebastian in the 300s. I know that's not great but at least he's down from the 400s for now. Hopefully with a little patience, I'll be able to get him in the 200s within a couple of weeks. My other male kitty is not happy lately. Sebastian is hogging most of the food and they normally both share. He keeps kicking Kiwi away from the bowls when he tries to eat. I would like to get Kiwi back on ProPlan dry food. This works best for him since he tends to get crystals in his urinary track(?) but he doesn't when he's on ProPlan.

Sue, I would like help with the spreadsheet. I didn't know how to post a pm.

Does anyone else use the Reli-On glucose meter? I just bought one; Doombuggy had been letting me use hers. I was wondering if everyone else thought is was accurate enough.
 
I just met with my vet on Friday to go over the curve results for Sebastian that I did at home. He eventually wants to switch him to Lantis, he feels this is a longer lasting insulin. Sebabby starts to go real high again before his second shot of the day. The vet increased his dose from 2 units twice per day to 3 units twice per day.

I told him about this website and about how everyone is saying canned food is better for cats. He said I shouldn't listen to everything I read on the web. He also said he doesn't want me to switch his food around right now when we're trying to get him stable. He's trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. He also said he has seen cats on dry DM go off of insulin also. I guess I don't know what to do. Sebastian's numbers are going back to the 400 range even with the 3 units.

He did suggest a spreadsheet also so I'll be working with Sue to get this setup. He asked that I do two more curves at home before seeing him again so he can see the results. He wants me to check his blood every hour during the curve. His poor ears will be pin cushions by then.
 
MustLoveCats said:
I just met with my vet on Friday to go over the curve results for Sebastian that I did at home. He eventually wants to switch him to Lantis, he feels this is a longer lasting insulin. Sebabby starts to go real high again before his second shot of the day. The vet increased his dose from 2 units twice per day to 3 units twice per day.

I told him about this website and about how everyone is saying canned food is better for cats. He said I shouldn't listen to everything I read on the web. He also said he doesn't want me to switch his food around right now when we're trying to get him stable. He's trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. He also said he has seen cats on dry DM go off of insulin also. I guess I don't know what to do. Sebastian's numbers are going back to the 400 range even with the 3 units.

He did suggest a spreadsheet also so I'll be working with Sue to get this setup. He asked that I do two more curves at home before seeing him again so he can see the results. He wants me to check his blood every hour during the curve. His poor ears will be pin cushions by then.

Cut out the dry food, wait 3 days, then do a curve. Better yet, do a curve while feeding the dry food, then cut out the dry food, wait 3 or 4 days, and do another curve. You will see a difference. Be sure to have some HC food handy because many cats are DIET CONTROLLED and your vet has you at a high dose which is needed because of the dry food.... remove the culprit (dry food) and you will see better numbers.
Go to the vet and show the 2 curves, but don't say a word about the food change.
When your vet says look at that great improvement on the 2nd curve, you can then say it's due to your removing all the dry food.

And checking blood every hour is overkill. With meter variance, you really won't gain much more than just testing every 2 hours. You could test your cat 5 times in a row and get 5 different numbers, so every 2 hrs should be plenty to see what's going on.

Some cats are VERY carb sensitive, while others are not. And I have to wonder about saying that a cat with kidney disease is better on a dry food... scary. My Shadoe would jump from 200s to 400s, just from a few pieces of dry food.

For home testing, I would like to mention that I never aimed for a vein, or I would have a gusher. The ears 'learn' to bleed. One of my cats got better drops by my poking the outside of the ear tip and the other was better with pokes on the inner side of the ear tip. Why, I have no idea so I went with what worked.
 
I told him about this website and about how everyone is saying canned food is better for cats. He said I shouldn't listen to everything I read on the web. He also said he doesn't want me to switch his food around right now when we're trying to get him stable. He's trying to figure out what works and what doesn't. He also said he has seen cats on dry DM go off of insulin also. I guess I don't know what to do. Sebastian's numbers are going back to the 400 range even with the 3 units.


"Vet Bashing" is very frowned upon here. We aren't supposed to say derogatory things about your vet. So I won't. What I will say, quite simply, is that your vet is wrong. 100% wrong about feeding dry food to a diabetic cat. I won't even stress that dry is bad for ANY cat, and will cause long term health problems. What I think is that it is more important to your vet that his advice be taken blindly than it is for him to be correct. Sebastian's numbers are not going to get "stable" as long as he has you putting high carb garbage in his food bowl.

If he doesn't want you to believe it from us, a bunch of crazy internet cat people, that's fine. But perhaps if you show him what the American Animal Hosptial Association has to say about it, he'll pay attention?
http://www.aahanet.org/PublicDocuments/AAHADiabetesGuidelines.pdf
• Limit carbohydrate intake.
° Dietary carbohydrate may contribute to hyperglycemia and glucose toxicity in cats.
° Provide the lowest amount of carbohydrate levels in the diet that the cat will eat.
° Carbohydrate levels can be loosely classified as ultralow (<5% ME), low (5% to 25% ME), moderate (26% to 50% ME), and high (>50% ME).

• Portion control by feeding meals.
° Allows monitoring of appetite and intake.
° Essential to achieve weight loss in obese cats.
• Canned foods are preferred over dry foods. Canned foods provide:
° Lower carbohydrate levels.

° Ease of portion control.
° Lower caloric density; cat can eat a higher volume of canned food for the same caloric intake.
° Additional water intake.

I will put it bluntly, and I am not trying to be insulting or ugly here..... You are paying that vet your hard earned money for advice. And the advice he is giving you isn't worth your money. Any cat he has treated that has gone into remission while eating Dry DM is extremely fortunate, and probably would have gone into remission if he ate sugar smacks and frosted flakes. In those cases, the cat went into remission in spite of, not because of, the diet. And he might survive many more years until succumbing to another dry-food related disease or disorder.

One of the world's experts on feline nutrition, Dr. Lisa Pierson, states it very clearly on her website.
Please understand that there is nothing 'magical' about the prescription diabetes-management diets. Several of them, such as Hill's m/d and w/d (dry and canned), Purina DM dry, and Royal Canin DS (dry) are all too high in carbohydrates. Purina DM canned is sufficiently low in carbohydrates (~7%) but it is expensive and it is predominantly liver which should not make up the bulk of a cat's diet. The prescription diets also contain species-inappropriate, hyperallergenic ingredients such as corn, wheat, and soy.
http://www.catinfo.org/?link=felinediabetes

The only thing that I have read that you said your vet said that makes any sense to me is that Lantus is a longer lasting insulin. He's right. However, if he advises dosing of Lantus like he advises dosing on Prozinc, then the switch to Lantus isn't going to help you out either. Increases of dose from 2u to 3u twice a day are too large. That's a 50% increase in insulin. The observation you made that Sebastians numbers go real high before the twelve hours are up....that might be because the Prozinc isn't lasting 12 hours. But when you say that it's the same on 3u as it was on 2u? Then the reason his numbers are staying high is more likely due to the possibility that both the 2u and the 3u doses are too high to begin with. They are probably causing his BG to drop too quickly or too far, and are resulting in a "bounce" as his body instinctively tries to avoid numbers that are too low, causing his liver to dump "sugar" into his blood to push his numbers up to safer levels, and push it right back up into the 400s every 12 hours. If he switches Sebastian to Lantus, and has you increasing the doses this quickly and this much at a time, the same thing is going to happen with that insulin too. The way he is advising you to dose is against published protocols for insulin dosing.
It sounds to me like he is not current on diabetic management research, and he doesn't care to be. The really sad thing is that he could read all this stuff on the "internet" like we did, and get a free education.

I'm sorry if I sound pissy, but it irks me to see a new member confused because "we" are saying one thing and the vet is saying "don't believe everything you read on the web". Maybe if he did more reading, he'd be giving better advice. And I hate that we seem to be causing that confusion for you, because you are paying him to take care of your beloved pets, and we're all just out here posting on a message board for free. You'd think the advice you are paying for would be worth more, I understand that. Unfortunately, it doesn't always work out that way.

Carl
 
MustLoveCats, as I told you on the phone last night, I have to agree with what Carl says. My experience is that regulating Cedric's food - giving him 4 small meals a day instead of 2 with dry to graze, plus the Lantus, plus additional exercise (we had been living in my new townhouse for a week when he was dx'd) helped get him off the insulin in a month. I did remind you that Cedric was only 5 at the time, I got lucky and cuaght it early and he was on an insulin that has a successful rate of remission. it sounds like that is what your guy was looking to do, but you were unable at this time. Sebastian is much older, has CRF.CKD, so he might end up getting regulated at some point but may still need insulin for the rest of his life.

you know I would do anythiing to help you and I am trying. Unfortunately, since Cedric was only taking the insulin for a month, I feel my "expertise" is limited. The people here are all about helping others. Frankly, after getting off the phone with you last night I was so freaking mad at your vet (feeling personally affronted by him to you) that I could not sleep.

I know you are doing EVERYTHING you can to help Sebastian. I know you are stuck between a rock and a hard place. I have been there - and so has everyone else here. They are just trying to help you.
You have gotten some great advice here, and as we talked aobut last night, it might be time to "convert the vet." maybe this will help out the FD he says he has at his own home. When you get a chance, please read the links Carl has posted. Talk to you again after I have gotten some sleep.... :-D
 
Does anyone know another method of getting blood from my kitty? He's been doing great so far with the ear poking but I think he's getting sore. He was fighting with me this morning so I couldn't get any blood. Can I shave part of his tail and get it from there? I don't want to do the paws, I think that is unsanitary. Also, he is constantly putting his paws in his water bowl and going to the little box with wet paws. So now he has concrete paws. I try to keep them cleaned off but they dry during the day so I'm not very successful. So, I would not want to get blood from there.

Any suggestions?



To Carl:
Are you saying that since my vet has increased his insulin to 3 units twice a day that this will actually make his blood glusose higher? I'm wondering if I should seek out another vet because I don't know anything about this stuff.
 
Yes, a dose that is too high can cause the BG numbers to remain high and can set off a chronic "rebound" pattern. Worse than that, at some point his body could stop being able to fight the high doses, and his numbers can go too low, causing severe hypoglycemia. Severe hypo can result in seizures, a coma, or death. It doesn't happen often, but I have "seen" a few cats here die from hypoglycemic episodes in the past year due to high doses and/or infrequent testing. That is why we are so strongly for regular home testing and logical dosing, with dose adjustments made only in small amounts, and only when the data indicates an adjustment needs to be made. That decision is never based on a single curve run at a vet's office every couple of weeks.

On the concrete paws problem....are you using a clay based litter? If so, you could try a non-clay litter that is scoopable like Feline Pine or World's Best...
Carl
 
Are you sure giving a treat he loves every time you poke? That's the secret to this thing - that they associate treats with the poke.

You can put a little smear of Neosporin plus pain relief on the area. It can help the blood bead up and help with the pain too. Just a very thin smear. Also, be sure to hold the ear for a few seconds after the poke. That will help stop bruising.
 
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