06/19 J.D. PMPS 426 Acupuncture vs Laser Therapy Opinions

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Dyana

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Yesterday's Condo

Last Night:
315 PMPS
325 +2.5
220 +5
256 +7.75
356 +11.5

J.D. ended up eating pretty good last night. Basically, spoon feeding after each test, but... he ate all LC last night!

This morning, I gave him his Denamarin and cypro and onda at +11.5 and took him out for a short walk right after AMPS, but he kept trying to eat grass and I don't know if he was hungry, but I didn't want him to throw up his pills, so I brought him back to the deck. I offered him a half and half bowl of FF Chunky Turkey and FF Cod Sole & Shrimp and he ate the fish.
 
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I'm glad J.D. is eating some for you. I hope he continues to eat today and slides down for you.
 
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He's eating some more fishy food now.

I guess since he's so high, I may as well get ready and get to work early today.

He could use some firmer poo vines, too, as he had some formed but almost to the point of not formed stinky soft poo last night. Ginger has pudding diarrhea. If I could get off work on time (ha ha), I could get to the vet to pick up some more FortiFlora. I think I still have 2 packets left.

Have a good day.

Healing vines to all who need some.
 
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Morning, guys. ~O) I'm so glad to hear that he ate all LC last night. I hope that he'll continue with that trend for you, and bring down those #s. Try and have a good day, and hang in there. :YMHUG:
 
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Hi Dyana,
I'm glad J.D. ate some for you this morning.
Lucy didn't want to eat much this morning either, so I gave her some fishy food too.
I hope his appy is better this evening.

Sending lots of firm poo vines.
 
Re: 06/19 J.D. PMPS 426 Acupuncture vs Laser Therapy Opinion

I'd probably try the acupuncture first - give it a month or so, and if he doesn't seem improved on it, then try the laser therapy.

is that what you're wanting to know?
 
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Dr. C.
I had left a message for J.D.'s regular vet (Dr. C.) to call me regarding his bi-weekly cyanocobalamin shots and whether I can do them weekly or not and about her opinion on getting acupuncture.
She called me back and said yes I can do a small dose of cyanocobalamin weekly. He has been peeing a lot, so I would think he's peeing out a lot of B12.
Then I asked about acupuncture and she had me convinced that I could do laser therapy at their office and a vet tech would be able to do it and it would cost a lot less and take less time. So the advantages were $25 per session and it would only take 10 minutes and they are 5 minutes from my house and no initial exam needed as they are J.D.'s regular vet and he has a very thick chart at this office, and his BP tests at this office have been perfect so I know he is less stressed there. We talked and I told her that I could maybe get out of work early one day a week to catch the last appointment of the day at 5:15 and she said I could come on Saturdays and my every other Monday off and on Thursday evenings. She said laser therapy was the new acupuncture or something like that and left me feeling upbeat. And then she had the technician called me back and I found out that he would need to start with 3 days a week and they do not do it on Saturdays and they close at 5:15pm, so I would need to leave early from work 3 days a week, so I told her it just wasn't going to work :sad: .

Dr. H.
I called them next, to ask if they do laser therapy (if it was going to cost so much less), and she said they do not, they only do acupuncture. The acupuncture is $150 for the initial exam and then $75 per session, so 3 times a week is going to add up. Plus, I needed to make sure that the schedule is going to work out, and they are just so vague at this hospital. The receptionist said yes (kind of meekly) and I know the doctor owns the practice, and the receptionist said they could work things out? but I don't want to use them if the schedule is not going to work out. They are open until 7:00 four nights a week, and supposedly I can do Saturday mornings, my every other Monday off, and rush home from work on Thursdays, grab J.D. and get the last appointment slot at 7:00pm on Thursday evenings.

Dr. P.
Has been doing acupuncture since 2000 and his other practice emphases are internal medicine, dentistry and oncology/chemotherapy, they also do laser therapy at this vet's office (which I have never been to before) and is about a half hour from my house and again I would have to race home, grab J.D. and drive the half hour back in the same direction I just came from, but they are open until 8:00pm, so that gets me a little more lee way. They also do the session in a quiet room rather than the exam room.
I think I will try calling this practice again, tomorrow.

Does anyone know or have any opinions about whether laser therapy or acupuncture is better? I am willing to pay for the acupuncture, I just don't want to start with the $150 initial exam and acupuncture with Dr. H. and then find out their open hours just don't work for us and have to start all over again with Dr. P.

I am so tired. Exhausted again, from another long day at work. And J.D.'s numbers don't exactly lift up my spirits especially since I gave him some R at PMPS and his numbers haven't moved. +1.75 was 440 :-|

I came home from work and almost all of the left out food was eaten. J.D. ate 1/4+ can of FF Turkey and Egg Souffle (or something like that) at PMPS and is currently laying outside on my deck.

Sorry to rattling on. I am tired and my bed is calling. I'll try to ask again tomorrow.
I gave him some bupe, and have not given him any cypro or onda, yet.
 
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julie & punkin (ga) said:
I'd probably try the acupuncture first - give it a month or so, and if he doesn't seem improved on it, then try the laser therapy.

is that what you're wanting to know?
:lol: Thanks Julie. I was busy writing a novel :YMHUG:
 
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we tried both of them. i thought both helped punkin initially. I stopped doing the acupuncture because the vet had decided to add electrical stimulation, and punkin just went nuts with it. i guess it feels like buzzing. he tolerated the basic needles (video of one session in my signature) for a couple of months, but when the vet hooked him up to the electrical stimulation machine, he set it on a low setting and left the room. punkin almost immediately started getting agitated, trying to bite at the wires and pull them out. i had to try to hang onto him while calling the vet's office on my cell phone :shock: , because no one could hear me and i didn't want to let go of punkin. i didn't know how to turn off the machine.

After that, he had one more session without the electrical stimulation, i think, but he had gotten so he trembled as we went into the vet's office. i just couldn't stand it so i switched to laser. Same vet office, different vet.

The laser therapy also seemed like it helped right away. he was jumping up on tables that he hadn't been on in months. i don't know if you remember, but i felt like it played a part in whatever happened that ended up with him dying. i don't want to scare you, but i think you should know. I do think it helped him. Initially we started out going multiple times a week - i don't remember how much it cost because i basically looked away and handed over my credit card! :roll: anything for my sweet punkin, you know? They sold the laser therapy in a block - i want to say you bought 6 sessions. We started out 3 times in a week, then 2 times, then once a week, then once every other week. we could tell that the benefit didn't last more than a week, because after a week when his legs were moved, he reacted as though it hurt.

So we did once a week for a long time, maybe several months.

They aimed the laser beam at his spine for a couple of minutes, then on each hip socket for a few minutes, and the same on his hocks. Not sure you remember, but after his second to last laser appt, the next morning punkin had terrible bloody diarrhea. DH took him to the on call vet while i went to work, and the vet gave him metronidazole and said no big deal. When i talked to the regular vet after that, she said it was a coincidence that it happened after the laser treatment. He got better and seemed ok by the next week. The following week, we had the regular laser appt. The morning after the laser, the same bloody diarrhea everywhere. Took him to the vet, started back on metronidazole and something else, i think, but he didn't recover from it, and just went downhill for the next 3 days til we had him euthanized. After the second time, the regular vet agreed it wasn't just a coincidence.

So . . . here's the hard part. It definitely helped him. He moved better than he had in months. We don't know why he had that reaction to the laser when he did. i think it caused the bloody diarrhea, but we don't know - maybe he had something wrong with his gut, like cancer, and the laser made it worse. I thought that perhaps the aim was too much on his intestines - if you think about the laser angle from his spine down, and from each hip inward, it seems like it might all have ended up in the same spot.

Doing it over again, i think i'd still do it, but i would be wary of having it too often, or having all those rays aimed like i described above. And maybe punkin's death afterwards wasn't directly caused by it, but he'd recovered from the first episode and the second one just overwhelmed him. Ultimately his body had filled up with a lot of fluid and it was squishing his lungs so much he couldn't breathe. So . . . was it the laser or not? i don't know.

I just want you to know our experience so you can watch for anything and ask enough questions. it doesn't mean you shouldn't do it, though, dyana. it really gave him a lot of relief. i hope it was ok that i'm sharing all of that - you might not remember it from when it happened. i just wouldn't want it to happen to JD. Like any medical procedure, even injecting insulin, there are pros and cons - you just want to know what to be aware of.
 
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:-D I'll see your novel and raise you one novel! :lol:

you can tell how much i play poker, i don't even know how to say that! :lol:
 
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Thanks Julie. I do remember that now. I knew there was a reason why I leary of the laser. I'm sorry you had to go through all that remembering to write all that out. :sad: I was in shock, and it was a horrible time in Lantus Land when all that happened to Punkin. :cry: I'm sorry (((Julie)))

I just broke a rule to get up and post in the middle of the night because J.D. got a green !
 
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