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natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: munya (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 03:51PM

I have been trying to figure out how to treat my cat who is diabetic, and who recently developed hyperthyroidism after a scary episode (open-mouthed panting, fever, racing heart, disorientation). She had been taking Tapazole for about 2 weeks, but then became very nauseous and stopped eating. I stopped giving her insulin because it would be dangerous with the absence of food, and I stopped giving her the Tapazol because she couldn't keep it down.

For the last week I have been trying to stabilize her, giving her fluids and feeding her anything she will eat. I am also giving her an appetite supplement, Cyproheptadine, but she is not looking too good. Today I found out that her white blood cell count is very low, so giving her any Tapazole in the future might be dangerous. I am reluctant to try surgery or radioactive treatment, as she is already 16 years old.

I have spoken to a few vets throughout this whole process, and we have taken x-rays and many blood samples, and yet no one can really figure out how to properly treat her. Now they are suggesting an MRI, a biopsy, and an ultrasound, but but my cat is becoming more and more nervous with each veterany visit, and I am reluctant to subject her to so many tests.

I am wondering if there are some alternative medicines I can try, or if anyone has had this sort of reaction from their diabetic/hyperthyroid kitties?

Munya
Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Jen & Squeak (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 04:01PM

The two diseases are mutually exclusive from my understanding...

Have you continued to not give insulin? Are you testing blood glucose levels at home as well as urine for ketones? If you aren't treating her diabetes these may become huge issues for her, and may be contributing to her inappetance, vomitting and lethargy.....
Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: munya (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 04:12PM

We tested for ketones and there was nothing; I am monitoring her blood sugar levels, and she needs to be given insulin, but my vet has told me not to give it to her until her appetite is regulated, otherwise she may become hypoglycemic.
Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Jen & Squeak (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 04:17PM

well, your vet is sort of right but if she is no longer nauseous I'd be force feeding plain chicken babyfood and giving small amounts of insulin. Those bgs have to come down and they may be the reason she's not eating...
Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: tuckers mom (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 04:17PM

What are her BGs?

If she is eating, giving her insulin will only help her feel better. When the BGs are off, the kitty feels very sick. Keep testing for Ketones, just because she didn't have the one time, doesn't mean she wont. Especially if she's not getting insulin.

Regarding HyperT, have you checked Feline Outreach education page?

[www.felineoutreach.org]

Lots of good info.

I use Tap, I do not recommend the surgery as I did that with my Spunky and her HyperT came back within a year.

Maybe tapazole in the transdermal gel would be better, that gets rubbed in the ear. It may not cause the same issues. I'm not all that sure as I give the oral meds to my HyperTs.

Jennifer


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Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Cassandra and Sasha (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 04:53PM

There are some Traditional Chinese Medicine herbal formulas for Hyper-T, but you would need to see a holistic vet in order to get the best diagnosis for them. However, I do believe that most TCM and homeopathic treatments for Hyper-T are meant for situations which the Hyper-T is mild, which does not sound like this case as there has already been respiratory and heart involvement.

The transdermal Tapazole gel would be a solution if your kitty is having problems with the oral form, although the meds in both forms would have the potential to cause the leukopenia (low white cell counts). Some cats with untreated Hyper-T also can develop a similar complication. Was the CBC done before the Tapazole was started normal?

Please don't rule out the I-131 treatment just because your kitty is 16. I had Sasha treated with the I-131 last year at age 16 and she has done wonderfully since, even despite other diseases. If your kitty is not tolerating the Tapazole, for whatever reason, the I-131 may be the best choice.

Hyper-T does also have the potential to increase BGs and cause insulin resistance, so treating the diabetes at this point is even more critical since the BGs are most likely also being impacted by the Hyper-T.

ETA: You may also want to check out the Yahoo Feline Hyper-T group. It is a great resource: [pets.groups.yahoo.com]

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Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: munya (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 06:26PM

Thank you everyone. We did some bloodwork about 2 weeks after she had started taking the Tapazol, and her white blood cell count was normal. I don't know what the numbers were before, but perhaps I could check with my vet. I got some high protein duck food for her from a holistic pet food store, and she seems to like it, so it might be safe for me to start giving her some insulin tonight, a low dose, and monitor her bgs. We are going to see the vet tomorrow, who suggested we take her temperature just in case she might have an infection (which may have developed because of the Tapazol), and I will ask about what my options are for treating the Hyper-T.

I will keep your comment in mind, about homeopathy's efficacy in only mild cases. I don't really know too much about Homeopathy, and its success rates, but it's an option I'd like to keep open, just in case.
Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: munya (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 06:40PM

Her Bgs are around 15
Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Karen & Rambo(GA) & Conan (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 07:34PM

Fairly high BGs and inappetance/no food is a dangerous combination that can lead to DKA. I do urge you to give small doses of insulin to prevent ketones. Since you are monitoring the BGs, you can watch for hypos.

Tapazole is known for causing nausea. Try some Pepcid AC (1/4 tablet) to settle the tummy, and tempt with any food at all. You can reintroduce the Tapazole later, with a smaller starting dose. For now, treating the diabetes and watching for ketones is the priority.

Karen, and (GA) sugarcats Conan & Rambo

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Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Cassandra and Sasha (IP Logged)
Date: September 2, 2009 09:19PM

Ditto to what Karen said. Eating and insulin are the most important right now.

If you are interested in checking out a holistic or homeopathic approach, it wouldn't hurt to get her looked at and have them judge if they could help her or not. This website may help you find someone in your area:

[www.altvetmed.org]

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Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Lisa dvm (IP Logged)
Date: September 3, 2009 05:21AM

munya Wrote:
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> I am wondering if there are some alternative
> medicines I can try,

No - not effective ones.

I am on an Alternative Vet Med group and we bat this around on occasion.

Regarding tapazole. I really do dislike that drug. If using it, I second the recommendation to go with the transdermal form.

I also second the comment to not rule out I-131 due to the kitty being 16.

I would never opt for surgical treatment.



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Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: Jayne & Sweety (IP Logged)
Date: September 3, 2009 12:29PM

What dose of tapazole did the vet start with? Many start at too high a dose and that is why it upsets many cat's stomach and eating. The "usual" startng dose is 5 or 10 mg/day.
I found a lot of info on Yahoo's Feine HyperT group. I started my cat on .125 mg/day (although the vet wanted to start at 5) and we are now up to 5, 4 months later. When I had upped her dose in the beginning to .375, she stopped eating too. But that was because it was too much, too soon. We upped her dose gradually and she is fine.

I know, the 131 is scary to me too.
and DR. Lisa is right, many cats do fine on the transdermal (cream that you use on the ear to absorb in).
You have to address the HyperT though, or it will affect the heart, kidneys and liver - makes them work too hard. And heart problems would be fatal if the HyperT is not taken care of.

Good luck, take care.



Re: natural/homeopathic treatment for hyperthyroidism?
Posted by: munya (IP Logged)
Date: September 3, 2009 06:02PM

She was taking half a pill of 5mg twice a day, so 5mg each day. I hadn't thought of it being too much... and no one really presented that as an option for me, which is strange because with the insulin my vet always pointed out the need to adjust the dosage according to how it affected her bgs. I bought some new food for her and she seems to really like it, She's back on her insulin now, and is drinking normally and looks less lethargic, however I wonder if her appetite is up because her hyper-T is acting up?


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