Cat needs rehab urgently

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  1. RingosMom

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    Hello cat lovers,
    This is a difficult, sad situation. Jingle—a 4 yr old male domestic shorthair (Gray) was in the apt of his owner who was found dead 3 days later , leaving Jingle to experience the trauma of the loss of his beloved caretaker and with no food or water. A mutual friend of the owner took him in. I paid the pet deposit. Richard unfortunately didn’t know enough to properly care for Jingle— I found out last week, after no contact with Richard for 2 yrs when Richard called to ask a favor: “Jingle’s not doing well...he’s eating a lot but losing weight, and drinking a lot...he’s really thin, could you take him to the vet?” Of course, I took him and taking one look at him the Vet inquired “How old is this cat?” “About 4 or 5,” I said. “Oh, I would have guessed 16...he weighs 7 lbs and should weigh about 17. He’s a very big cat, but he hasn’t been grooming himself and his paws are caked with dry cat litter, and he has lost some teeth, is running a 105 degree temperature because his gums are infected.” We can give him an antibiotic and test his blood. Take him home. The next day we were told he had diabetes. I posted all kinds of notices on websites and people gave advice, but no one wanted to take him on. (I can’t in my living situation.) I called all the rescue and other agencies. No one called back. Today it has been 2 weeks from his diagnosis and Richard called again. We had already discussed euthanasia last week. Richard had had a week to think about it. “Jingle was doing a little better, I thought, but now he just sleeps and still eats but is thin as a rail.” I’m almost to the end of my story and Jingle to the end of his life. If you can help save him or think it isn’t an option, I welcome your response.
     
  2. Nan & Amber (GA)

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    Oh my, what a terribly sad situation, all around :(.

    Have you contacted Diabetic Cats in Need (DCIN)? They do re-homing, and I think sometimes they can set up fosters in emergencies like this. @Chris & China (GA) will know more about their capabilities.

    Thank you for trying to help Jingles... I hope you can find a new situation for him. Diabetes is a very treatable disease in cats.
     
  3. Critter Mom

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    Hi,

    Thank you so much for all you're doing to help Jingle. I'm going to tag @Chris & China (GA) to ask whether Diabetic Cats in Need might be able to help you with finding a home for Jingle.

    Couple of important questions:

    * Is Jingles currently being treated with insulin?

    * Do you have any idea of what Richard is feeding Jingle at the moment?

    As a general comment, diabetes is a very treatable condition, and cats start to improve as soon as they start treatment.

    If push came to shove, in your opinion would Richard be able to continue to care for Jingle if we were able to help him learn how to manage his diabetes? (Just asking this so as to explore any and all possibilities here.)


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  4. Chris & China (GA)

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    DCIN can help try to find a home for Jingles but it can take time....although like I tell everybody, it only takes 1 person to look at the picture, have it touch their heart and then say "I have to have him!!"

    We can also help with supplies (insulin, testing supplies and most important, education) so treatment can get started!

    Just switching to a low carb canned food like Friskies pate, Fancy Feast Classics or 9-Lives ground can help bring down the blood glucose quite a bit!

    Contact DCIN on Facebook or go to our Website to Apply for Assistance
     
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  5. Critter Mom

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    Hi again, Ringo's Mom,

    * * Important Safety Note * *

    Chris is 100% correct that a switch to a low carb food can start helping a diabetic kitty (hence my earlier questions to you) - BUT - if the cat is already receiving insulin it is very dangerous to attempt to switch to a lower carb food unless one is able to home test blood glucose levels throughout the period of transition because the insulin dose at the start of the diet change is very likely to need to be reduced in line with the reduction in carb load.

    If you or Richard have any questions or need assistance with anything while you're trying to find a home for Jingle, just post here and we'll do all we can to help you.


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  6. RingosMom

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    Thank you for replying. I forgot to mention I a first time user and Jingle, Richard and I live in St Petersburg, FL, USA
     
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    not on insulin...we’ll get Friskies but I need to know if there’s any hope for him?
     
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    As much as I wish he could, I think Richard is incapable (he’s in his late 70’s and lives on Disability income, I think it would be too difficult for him to keep a diabetic cat in good health. But thank you all for your great suggestions so far!
     
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  11. Gill & Mac (UK)

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    What a wonderful organisation !
     
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  12. jt and trouble (GA)

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    Jingles risks getting a lot sicker without insulin. He ca develop ketones quickly. They can be life threatening is a healthy cat. He needs immediate intervention . Sending positive thoughts and a lot of prayers. :(

    Thank you for doing all you are for Jingles.
     
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  13. Nan & Amber (GA)

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    Is there hope? Yes, but as Jeanne says above, not without treatment. Many of us have had diabetic cats lead healthy and happy lives for years after diagnosis, but it does require work on the diet, plus insulin (at least for a while; some lucky cats can go into remission and become entirely food-controlled diabetics).

    I'm also worried about Jingles' teeth. I suspect they're a big part of the problem here, sigh.
     
  14. Critter Mom

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    Absolutely there is hope. :)

    Thanks for the additional info.

    Given Jingle is not yet receiving insulin the fastest thing you can do to start helping him is to switch to a wet, low carb food. Here is a list of readily available commercial cat foods:

    https://docs.google.com/spreadsheet...m6PPfEUz9YmzMGMxkmcBk6uRR0/edit#gid=113878384

    Anything with a carb % less than 10% on the chart is good for a diabetic cat. As Chris mentions above, it could drop his BG levels by as much as 100mg/dL after the transition (hence the need to be cautious if a kitty is already receiving insulin!).

    Most of our members feed the classic paté varieties from Fancy Feast and Friskies.

    Note that reducing carb intake is only likely to help Jingle to a degree and he will still need insulin treatment, but the food change is an important step toward helping him to get better and one that hopefully can be started straight away.

    Chewy.com recommend starting with 90% old food, 10% new food and changing the proportions by 10% each day until the kitty is 100% on the new food. (Tip: if poo gets a bit loose, go back a step and proceed a little more slowly with the transition.) I'd urge you not to go too fast with the transition so as to avoid digestive upsets. Until Jingle can start on insulin he will be a bit vulnerable so care is needed to keep him as stable as possible in the meantime. Very important is that Jingle doesn't lose his appetite due to a tummy upset.

    Unregulated diabetics are unable to properly utilise the food they eat (hence Jingle's weight loss in spite of eating plenty) so they need more food than a healthy cat. Their feeding requirements will go back to normal when their blood sugar becomes better controlled and they will regain the weight they lost.

    I expect that Jingle is drinking and peeing more than normal at the moment (beyond a certain point glucose starts tipping into the urine, hence the litter sticking to Jingle's paws). This is also normal for an unregulated diabetic. Drinking and peeing will also reduce as BG levels improve. In addition to putting out water in a bowl, adding a few teaspoons of water to each meal can help keep a kitty better hydrated.

    The next step - a very important safety precaution - is to ask Richard to monitor Jingle for ketones. Cats waiting to start insulin treatment - as is the case for Jingle at the moment - may be at risk of developing a complication called diabetic ketoacidosis so it is extremely important to check the kitty's pee daily for ketones. You can use human urine test strips for this purpose (available at Walmart or any human pharmacy) and you only need a small amount of pee for the test (see tips below). Negative or trace ketones are OK, anything higher and you need to contact the vet *immediately* (DKA is a medical emergency and may develop very quickly once ketones get above trace levels). Adding a little extra water to meals can also help with flushing out trace ketones.

    Tips for Collecting Urine Samples

    That's a few basic pointers for you. If you need a better explanation of any of the above please shout. Please keep posting with any questions you have.


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  15. Critter Mom

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    On hope, here are some pictures of Sissy, the kitty of a member who joined FDMB a few months ago, so that you can see how very effective treatment is.

    Sissy soon after her diabetes diagnosis and start of insulin treatment:

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    Sissy again - just one month later:

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  16. jt and trouble (GA)

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    Thanks Mogs purrrrfect example!
     
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  17. Tomlin

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    Hi,

    There is an organization called Rescue Cats of Florida, Inc. They have volunteers who foster cats.
    I am not certain, but I am hoping they may be able to help in coordination with DCIN. They can be contacted by email at:

    Rescuecatsofflorida@gmail.com

    As part of your email to them, as per their request please include the following:

    “To surrender cat/kittens or for help: Please tell us where you are located and provide a phone number. Please outline the situation. Please include pictures. It is kitten season and we are a group of volunteers who all work full-time jobs, and we are up to our ears in fur. Please include if you can help, and in what capacity”

     
  18. Bellasmom

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    I sent a pm with my number I’m not far at all from that cat, I can’t take them cat but I can get it started on insulin and I have a meter
     
  19. jt and trouble (GA)

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    Awwwwww BLESS YOU HEART! :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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  20. Bellasmom

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    Hope they get back on here and see my pm, they might not know what a private message is, crossing my fingers
     
  21. Marje and Gracie

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    Thank you, Jamie. :bighug::bighug:You are a Godsend.
     
  22. Bellasmom

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    Just doing what I would want someone to do for me,help and we are family
     
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  23. Bellasmom

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    Can I put my number on here??
     
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  24. jt and trouble (GA)

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    I wouldnt on an open forum. In a PM you can.
     
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  25. Critter Mom

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    Not a good idea to post sensitive information on a public board.


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  26. Critter Mom

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    @RingosMom -

    When next you check your replies here, scroll back up to the very beginning of this thread. If you look at the right hand side of the screen you will be able to see a link to your private message Inbox, e.g:

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    If you click on 'Inbox' you will be able to find the private message that @Bellasmom has left for you.


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  27. Bellasmom

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    Thanks
     
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    Bless you - you're a star!
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  30. Bellasmom

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    She never called and I will have my phone with me at work all day, maybe she didn’t get back on fourm
     
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  32. jt and trouble (GA)

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    she may have this out in other forums. Hopefully she will come back.
     
  33. Tomlin

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    I have searched multiple website because she mentioned she had posted but so far I don’t see anything. I will continue to keep an eye out.

    I also emailed Rescue Cats of Florida in case she does contact them to let her know to check back on this forum or they can contact me as well if that’s easier. I also let them know there is the ability to potentially coordinate some physical and financial assistance for Jingles along with helping to coordinate RCOF with DCIN.
     
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  34. Bellasmom

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    I have called several rescues around here and left messages if they have been called about a cat named Jingle with diabetes and to call me if they have any info
     
  35. Bellasmom

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    Also am calling vets in st Pete, no luck have more to call
     
  36. Tomlin

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    I will contact you. I’ve contacted 5 clinics so far. They have been AMAZING with taking the time to search for Jingles in their systems including pulling up labs and records looking for DM. Here is a screenshot of the map and clinics and black marks are ones I’ve called...on the phone with 4th St now
     

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    The ones I’ve tt have been amazing as well
     
  38. Tomlin

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    Who have you contacted so far? Don’t want to call them and inadvertently have a staff member taking the time to look up the same info if it’s already been done
     
  39. Bellasmom

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    I’m gonna call rescues and u do the vets
    Hope she gets back on board today
     
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    We are on a mission:bighug:
     
  41. JanetNJ

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    There's definitly hope of he will start getting insulin. They can live long healthy lives with treatment. A bottle of ProZinc costs about $105 and can last 4-5 months. low carb food, no dry. Friskies pate is a good choice. As much as he wants since he's underweight.
     
  42. JanetNJ

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    It's so nice seeing everyone pulling together to try to help
     
  43. jt and trouble (GA)

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    Youre right just the basics can make ALL the difference I applaud everyones efforts!!!!
     
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  44. Bellasmom

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    She’s going to call me today, just heard from her whooo hooo
     
  45. jt and trouble (GA)

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    Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaay
    GOD BLESS YOU!!!

    And everyones efforts!

    what a GREAT family this is!:bighug:
     
  46. Critter Mom

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    Great news! :D

    (((Bellasmom and Ringosmom)))

    (((Jingle)))


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  47. Lisa and Witn (GA)

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    I love how this group works together to help our kitties.
     
  48. Lisa and Witn (GA)

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    Can you also find out if Jingles has been around any other cats or dogs and if so, did he get along with them? That info may be helpful if he can be rehomed.
     
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    Great question
     
  50. Bellasmom

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    The lady and Jingles will be at my house this afternoon at 5:30 to pick up supplies and Amy bought a carrier and 4 cases of cat food that will be delivered to my house on Saturday for her to pick up!! Thanks Amy:bighug:
    Still looking for home though
    Gooooo team Jingles
     
  51. RingosMom

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    Yes, Bellasmom is going to help us start him on insulin today. Many locals are on the case and looking for either a foster or permanent home for Jingles. You are all such gems to help out this way. Only sorry his treatment was so long coming. Hopefully we will restore him to health!
     
  52. Gill & Mac (UK)

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    That's such great news - amazing job everyone ! Gold medals all round
     
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    For everyone who has come to the rescue so far and others who may come to this forum, I apparently left out an important detail: Jingle is still at home with Richard while we look at alternatives for his care. Thank you and sorry for the wild goose chase!
     
  54. Bellasmom

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    Yes, we are on that too
     
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  55. Lisa and Witn (GA)

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    That's ok. We are all trying to help you and Richard provide the best care for Jingles to help improve his health.
     
  56. Diane Tyler's Mom

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    You have a big heart Jamie, I'm so happy she came back.
    Everyone has been amazing trying to help Jingle's, that poor kitty.
    What an awesome family we have :bighug::bighug:
     
  57. Cat Caregiver

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    So true about the litter sticking to the paws. Had I known this, my cat could have been diagnosed much earlier. Maybe litter manufacturers could put this information on the bags.
     
  58. Critter Mom

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    ((((((((Ringosmom, Jamie, Amy))))))))

    Such wonderful news! Thank you for all you are doing to help Jingle. :cat:

    Anyone else need Kleenex?

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    (((Jingle)))

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  59. Bellasmom

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    Well we have a great update Jingle has all his supplies and has had his 1st shot of 1u, his preshot was 409 and I did a plus 1 and he was 341, Amy and I did a FaceTime so Debbi could talk to us both and this cat is soooo sweet, he didn’t flinch being tested or shot, just laid there. He would be a very easy cat to handle, DH said keep him, Amy’s DH says he wants him lol, u couldn’t ask for a better cat with diabetes, happy and purring
     
  60. Critter Mom

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    :cat: ((((((((Jingle)))))))) :cat:

    Again, thank you all for helping this little fella.

    :bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug::bighug:


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  61. JanetNJ

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    Fantastic!!!! Now is the cat going to be staying with you or is he still with Richard?
     
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  62. JanetNJ

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    PS, I think we all want to see a picture of Jingle! gotta get a before and after so we see how great he looks in a couple of months.
     
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    He is going to be staying with Richard but has a LOT of support from people in the building. Debra, who is helping with him, organized a group of cat lovers to help :bighug:. She is going to use a notebook at Richards so everyone helping is able to see the information they need to know. Jamie & I have made sure that they know we are available for any help, questions, etc..

    As Jamie said, SWEETEST cat! He should be super easy to find a home for. And I want to say that Debra is an angel walking on this earth!! What an amazing & interesting woman—could’ve talked with her for hours. I feel blessed to have met both Debra and Jingle.
     
  64. Bellasmom

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    Debra will be coming over Sat to pick up the carrier and food that Amy got Jingles so I will take a pic of him then, he is kinda skinny but that’s to be expected but he did eat 2 weruva pouches while he was here
     
  65. jt and trouble (GA)

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    omg its7am and I'm bawling my eyes out with happiness.
     
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    OMG---I am shedding happy tears & my heart is full reading this. You all are angels. Jingles has an absolute wonderful caregiving team. ((insert happy tears here))
     
  67. Lisa and Witn (GA)

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    Any update on how Jingle is doing?
     
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  68. Tomlin

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    @Bellasmom Jamie and I have provided the necessary supplies as well as continued communication regarding the need to continue to try to monitor and also to provide the insulin while we wait for a foster placement through some agencies. This is a tough situation because the owner has physical limitations which makes BG testing very difficult and so far, unsuccessful. The friend is going to talk with the owners family to ask about additional support as she has said she would assist with helping her friend while waiting for a placement. It turns out in addition to diabetes, there are some other potential medical issues including dental issues. She has reached out to DCIN. The cat is most likely older than 4 or 5 as per the vet involved.

    If anyone is aware of anyone with the ability and resources to be a permanent home or foster for Jingle please post. There is a local organization that has resources to help place cats out of state.

    In the meantime, prayers for Jingle
     
  69. jt and trouble (GA)

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    Sending prayers for Jingle:bighug:
     
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    Prayers for Jingle :(:bighug:
     
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  71. Lisa and Witn (GA)

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    Prayers for Jingle. Do they have a list of the health issues and do you know if there are any local organizations that can help with treating them? That may also help find potential adopters if they know they will have assistance with improving his health.
     
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  72. Tomlin

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    They didn’t but they do now :). The friend has agreed to take Jingle back to the vet for his BGC and repeat bloodwork within 2 weeks (or slightly after that as she will be out of town). We have made sure the friend who posted here contacted DCIN (she had not done so until yesterday) and I made her aware that both the sanctuary I contacted and also one of the particular rescues that specialize in older and special need cats, will both need sponsorship or help given the potential costs that will be involved with getting Jingle back to health. I have made it very clear that the health issues, beyond diabetes, must be disclosed, including the age of the cat, in any postings online or with contacts to friends, shelters or rescues moving forward because not doing so will only potentially result in Jingle becoming homeless or worse, euthanized.

    The friend who posted here is a very intelligent, educated woman actively involved in her community (volunteering) and she told me she has had experience with diabetic pets and she is familiar with the cost of labs and dental issues as she had a pet who needed extractions. The vet clinic she took Jingle to is a partner with a local no kill rescue. She did tell me that either they or another rescue said that Jingle could be brought in through their medical intake but that she didn’t feel that was the best for Jingle. I will discuss it with her again as a temporary option because, at this point, there is not the support we were told there was to be able to help the owner with Checking BG, giving insulin until a foster home is available.

    There is a program that I found that helps seniors with their pets but they are not accepting any clients right now. Again, the owners friend, Jamie @Bellasmom & I have reached out to the organizations that would be able to help with a special needs cat. I am hoping we hear something back from one of them this week.
     
  73. Marje and Gracie

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    Amy and Jamie: thank you both very much for all you’ve done to help Jingles. It reinforces the kindness and generosity in our community here for others in need. You both are very special! :bighug::bighug::bighug:

    @Tomlin @Bellasmom
     
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  74. Lisa and Witn (GA)

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    How is Jingle doing?
     
  75. Bellasmom

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    Jingles is doing well and as they get tests in more updates will be posted, he is incredible hands
     
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  77. Lisa and Witn (GA)

    Lisa and Witn (GA) Well-Known Member

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    That is great news. I am so glad that he is getting the care he needs.
     
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