03/10 Babulica AMPS 118 (+16.5) +4 125, +17 77

What was your indication that Babu had diabetes? You know sometimes, especially this early, with diet change and a little insulin help the pancreas starts working again. Fingers crossed!

 

At. Christmas, he began to pee more. I thought from the cold. Then he stopped for a while. In January Babulica was sterilized. After sterilization, after a week, he began to weaken, and vomited + pee often again. So I went to the vet and I did all the tests, and detect high blood sugar.

 

Was he prescribed steroids during that time? That will bring on FD sometimes. I think it was a factor with Gizmo.

 

No. I gave only insulin. The vet gave him the first day and infusion. And he made some shots for 3 days.

+78 at +14:30. I'm afraid to give it 0.75u. I do not know what to do. I'm thinking of 0.5u . What do you say?

 

You hold the syringe. 0.50 will drain the depot a bit more and could give you and Babu a little break but it is your call. You know how to manage with food and you can monitor and test. Do you have plenty of strips and HC food?

 

I'll wait 30 minutes more. I have plenty food, but I do not know if Babulica wants to eat them

 

78 is considered a normal BG number for a cat. And is a shootable number.

Read over this while we wait

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...regulation-shooting-handling-low-numbers.147/

 

I read this few days ago. But now I'm afraid to give 0.75u if not rise more. In three days I descended from 1.25 to 0.75.

 

Current situation:
78 @ +12:30
69 @ +13
67 @ +13:30
64 @ +14:30
78 @ +15

Currently on hold, No food. No shot.

Dinu - is that correct?^^ Just trying to get all the info on one new post for those who might be looking.

By stalling it is already like a dose decrease. If you are more confortable shooting 0.5u I say go ahead and get a final PS test, feed and shoot.

 

Il test now and post here the numbers.
correct numbers:
78 @+12
69 @ +12:30
67 @ +13
64 @ +13:30
78 @ +14:30

 

I would go ahead and feed and shoot. Your choice on 0.5U or 0.75U.

Get a final PS test.

Sometimes kitties have what is called a double dip at the end of they cycle - that could be what you are seeing.

 

Aded new number

78 @+12
69 @ +12:30
67 @ +13
64 @ +13:30
78 @ +14:30
78 @ +15

 

I gave only food , I am afraid to shot. The BG stand steal 30 minutes. I'll test again .....

 

Ok. Just realize that new number (+15.5) will be food influenced.

 

Will there be any issue in shooting PM shot at +12 hours from when you do shoot this morning? Keep that in mind when making the decision.

 

ok. I do not know what happens!!. . He ate little. I think 25-30g

 

with this delay, I passed in PM with 1 hour and 43 minutes (right now)

 

I don't understand this?

At next test it will be +3.5 hours from when the shot should have been - correct?

 

Yes

 

The injection should be given normal at 10:30am

 

Wow Dinu, Babulica is keeping you on your toes. I dont have enough experience for any specific advice, but you and Maria are doing an awesome job

 

We only give injections and measure the BG. Babulica does the rest

 

+15:30 87

 

78 @+12
69 @ +12:30
67 @ +13
64 @ +13:30
78 @ +14:30
78 @ +15
87 @ +15:30
but ate meantime

 

I don't know what to tell you to do. I think just skip this shot. Monitor through the day and pick back up tonight at regular time. That would also allow other, more experienced eyes on this.

That was not much of a food bump.

 

Next test in 1 hour

 

Can you change your title? Current date, AMBG +12 78, +12.5 69, ...(etc) No shot or skip shot.

Usually you would start a new thread every day so we are only dealing with current information. Then edit 1st post and say "see post 125 for current info" so those reading know where to get the most current says info.

 

I have to get ready to leave for work. Back on line in about an hour.

You are doing great!

 

Hey There Babulica's Dad. Whew he is giving you a run with his last few cycles ! Unless he comes up to at least 90 and your schedule allows you to be off by 3 + hours , I would just skip the shot and resume at your normal shot time tonight .

 

Hi. I test BG again at +16:30 to see if bounce or no bounce.

 

+16:30 118 . Now is definitely climb. What do you say, to give 0.75?

 

If your schedule allows you to do it (meaning, you can give him his next dose 12 hours from now), then you should be ok to shoot. As for the amount, its up to you. If you feel comfortable shooting 0.75u, then go for it. We already know you are good about monitoring and have supplies. I'd hate for kitty to lose the nice momentum he has by completely skipping.

(But maybe Bobbie will have a different opinion.)

 

Also, Dinu, here is some info on the depot. If you had shot at regular/normal time this morning that dose (this morning's AM skipped dose) would have been kicking in about now. Try and remember - Lantus doesn't work 'immediately' - it is a slow process.

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/lantus-levemir-what-is-the-insulin-depot.150/

 

I gave about 0.65u - 0.70u (a little less than 0.75u) at 3:15 PM.

 

Get a +2 to see how active the cycle will be and remember that now your next shot will be 12 hours from this one which will be at 3:15 AM

 

Good . Either I or Mary will be together with Babulica at that time. x 2

 

Change your title to:
03/10 Babulica AMPS 118 (+16.5), +2 xxx (<- add to title as the day/tests continue)

Hope he keeps surfing for you!

 

+2 134

 

Ok, so he may go down again (normal cycle) or the next test may show he is on the rise still (which can be expected because his body is still getting use to going lower).

I think doing the next test at +4 should be go. (Though, remember, I am no "expert". ha ha)

 

Maybe you're an mini-expert . Anyway surely more skillful than me. Next test +4

 

Maybe soon will come a Godzilla bounce, I do not know . But what I see is that Babulica has almost 24h in blue and green . ( numbers between 59 and 137)

 

I just got the tag about the spreadsheet.

The spreadsheets are formatted differently so when you first did the spreadsheet, did you use the one for Pet Meters instead of the one for human meters? Is it correct that you never used a pet meter, only a human meter?

If you've always used a human meter but you downloaded the speed sheet for a pet meter, than it's not just the numbers at the top that need to be changed. The formatting for the rest of the spreadsheet has to be changed.

I'm more than happy to help you with that if you would like to send me a private message by clicking on "Marje and Gracie" to the left and then "start a conversation".

 

+4 125

 

Yes, Marje. They used the AT SS, but never used a pet meter. He removed the line that said it was for AT.

 

Looks like Babulica is coming down slowly again. I don't see that "Godzilla bounce" you were worried about, thank goodness!

How does Babulica feel about all this testing? Or does he just like getting the treats I assume you're giving him?

 

Hi. So far Babulica says nothing. Luckily he stand quiet . His ears look good. I became an expert at prick gentle.

 

That is good. It's not easy to do, and you are lucky Babulica is so cooperative. It certainly takes some stress out of the situation.

 

+6 91
any suggestion?

 

When did you last feed? Babulica should be at or near nadir, but he's already proven he doesn't follow the rules, so it might not be a bad idea to give him a snack if he hasn't eaten recently.

 

Looks to be in good shape so far, just surfing along. When did he last eat?

 

He ate 3 hours ago, little LC food
I give little food now.

 

About 25-30g wet LC food 3 hour ago.
Now the same

 

Nice surfing there Babu!

 

This is good!

 

You have given me good advice yesterday with food, now what is your opinion?

 

With regard to? Dosing? I can't give dosing advise. I don't have enough experience. Heck, I am trying to figure out if I should increase or not tonight myself .

Will tag @Wendy&Neko and @Tricia Cinco(GA) & Harvey and @Marje and Gracie

 

No, i mean only with the food, You have given me good advice yesterday how to feed

 

I use an autofeeder like this for Gizmo. It has 5 food slots.

Slot 1 is PS food
Slot 2 +2.5
Slot 3 +4.5
Slot 4 +6.5
^these all have his LC regular food. I split up his cycle evenly between them.
Slot 5 +8.5 - has freeze dry treats - just so he doesn't get an empty bowl.

This is the feeding schedule that I use for every cycle. I feed a little over an oz/slot so he gets a total of 8.75 oz per day (2 cycles). This keeps food available to him for most of the cycle and he usually will eat most, if not all of it.

Gizmo also has kidney disease and pancreatitis and the smaller snacks/meals are better for those issues as well as good for FD to help keep them surfing and eating regular times. It is important that Babu gets enough to eat along with enough calories.

How much does Babu weigh? How did he eat before he was diagnosed with FD? Did you free feed?

This is the feeder I use (as do a lot of us here)

https://smile.amazon.com/gp/product/B000GEWHNS/ref=oh_aui_search_detailpage?ie=UTF8&psc=1

 

aha, ok . I understand.
About Babulica; now weighs 5 kg and less (50-100g). Babulica was a specialist in dry food. When he get wet food - just lick the sauce. He had access to food non-stop .
The dry food bowl was full all the time, and he eat when he wanted

 

Have you found a wet food he will eat? I don't know how many choices you have in Romania for cat food. We have so many here that it can be very confusing.

 

Now I have a lot of wet food. I ordered about 15 different kinds of food from zooplus in Germany. Most had less than 4% carbo. From all 15 different types of food, Babulica likes 2 types of wet foods, and eat them with pleasure. (1- animoda carny exotic, 2- thrive complete tuna & salmon)

 

Gizmo was the same way. It takes a little time but tough love works. Put food down. Let him eat what he wants (say for 15 min). Then pick it up and wait 2 hours (or your choice). Put it back down and again, let him eat/have access for 15 min or so. Babu will learn. Some here do free feed with the LC wet food. Just make sure that NO food 2 hours BEFORE shot time so you get accurate (non-food influenced) readings.

Finding a LC wet food that he likes will be the key. It looks like his numbers are not being that influenced by food so figure out a schedule that will work (or get an autofeeder). If he is hungry when you put food down you might have better luck.

Of course the exception to this feeding schedule is when Gizmo has low numbers and I need to steer (like you have been doing).

 

Try mixing some of what he likes (like the tuna & salmon) with one that he doesn't like - you might get him to eat more variety that way and you can stretch the food a bit doing that too. Just a suggestion. It worked with Gizmo.

 

A good idea . I didn't think about that . I'll try.

 

+8 89

 

Good. Levelling off earlier in the cycle this time. Maybe you will get a shootable number at the right time tonight!

 

I hope , but is not excluded +15 ,+16 again

 

And do not forget that "Godzilla bounce" lurking around the corner.

 

Shhh! Maybe Babulica forgot all about it!

 

Nice numbers for Babulica.

Thrive tuna and salmon is Georges favourite too


I like Lizzie's idea of mixing I. The other varieties to get him eating them. I tried that with George and it worked, had to start slow though. So first I mixed 1 TSP of the new with 4 tsp of his favourite, did that for a day or two then did 2tsp new with 3tsp favourite and so on.
Until eventually he was eating the new variety.

 

Hello. I'll try this method. I have a lot of food that Babulica do not eat. With this method I hope to eat.

 

No! No godzilka bounces .

 

+10 86

 

Nice. Flattening out. Now, hopefully he will start to gently climb (gently, as in no bounces!)

 

+12 64 (Astalavista +12) Next test +14

 

Looks like no bouce!

 

yes, I suppose that goes to +16 again.

 

At this point Babu is driving the train! Keep up the good work.

You guys are doing great

 

+14 90

 

So what is your plan for shooting? Are you going to wait till he goes higher?

 

Yes . Wait 45 minutes. If climb, I think to give 0.5u (at +12 I gave food, about 40g LC wet)

 

Previous test was affected by food

+14:45 86

new test at +15:45

 

+15:45 81

 

Are you going to skip?

 

+17 77
If climbs and passes 100, then I give the injection (probable 0.25u)

 

+18 86

+30g wet LC food

 

Are you going to keep testing all night?

 

Good morning Tricia . Here is 9:42 in the morning. Yes I'll test every hour to see what happens

 

+19 90

 

When do you sleep? Or are you two taking turns?

 

All night we put the alarm clock. Mary stayed up until 5 in the morning (She was watching television on a program with recipes). We slept jerky

 

You are an awesome pair of cat parents.

 

+20 94

 

How close is it to your "normal" shot time? Aren't we about there?

 

+21 101

In 3 hours are 24 hours from the injection time.

This 101 is good for Injection?, 0.25u?

 

I'll measure it again in 45 minutes , at +21:45. If blood sugar levels continue to rise, then I give 0.25u

 

+21:45 107.
Give 0.25u insuline (probably less. certainly not over 0.25u)

Ears rest today. Next test +8

 

Babu is on a mission to get off of insulin!