11/15 Herman amps 83 +3 108 +6 61 +9 79 pmps 99

Bandit's Mom said:
Nice! He didn't bounce very high or for very long! :smuggrin:
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I was very happy with amps!
I have a question though, clarification really. Do i understand correctly that we are looking for bg’s under 100 all the time? Or “mostly” under 100. Or “mostly” under 120? I would maybe assume a bounce after a low can be mostly ignored but otherwise, what is the number we want them under to ensure they are on the right dose. Does it vary because ecid?
 
Amy & Herman said:
I was very happy with amps!
I have a question though, clarification really. Do i understand correctly that we are looking for bg’s under 100 all the time? Or “mostly” under 100. Or “mostly” under 120? I would maybe assume a bounce after a low can be mostly ignored but otherwise, what is the number we want them under to ensure they are on the right dose. Does it vary because ecid?
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I think, and more experienced members should correct me if I'm wrong, that we're looking at the overall patterns.

Here is the sticky. http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...ng-reductions-and-starting-otj-trials.150160/
It's mostly in the range 50-80 but under 100 overall with occasional BGs up to 120.

Herman is looking good :cat::bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Amy & Herman said:
Do i understand correctly that we are looking for bg’s under 100 all the time? Or “mostly” under 100. Or “mostly” under 120? I would maybe assume a bounce after a low can be mostly ignored but otherwise, what is the number we want them under to ensure they are on the right dose.
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Angela & Cleo said:
It's mostly in the range 50-80 but under 100 overall with occasional BGs up to 120.
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The mostly and overall parts apply to (a) earning a reduction based on a week in mostly normal numbers and (b) to starting and concluding a successful OTJ trial.

For dosing you look at nadirs - that is to see if he needs more or less insulin.
 
Thanks @Angela & Cleo and @Bandit's Mom …makes sense :D

‘pretty surprised by his +6 (especially since my first test came in at 46 :eek:)…I think in addition to previous depot in affect and coming off bounce culminated in this. Also trying to leave food out in prep for automatic feeder…and looks like he didn’t bother with his +4 snack and decided instead to enjoy the cool weather and visit his friends …
 
Herman's about-face over the last month or so gives me hope for all sugar kitties. It wasn't so long ago that you were seeing reds and limes in the same cycle, and look at him now, showing off on his blue and green surfboard! I picture him in lifeguard orange shorts, balanced on both hind legs, fluffy mane blowing wildly about his face as he slices deftly through the ocean waves. Dude!! :D
 
Amy & Herman said:
I was very happy with amps!
I have a question though, clarification really. Do i understand correctly that we are looking for bg’s under 100 all the time? Or “mostly” under 100. Or “mostly” under 120? I would maybe assume a bounce after a low can be mostly ignored but otherwise, what is the number we want them under to ensure they are on the right dose. Does it vary because ecid?
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I was wondering about this a lot yesterday with Biggie since he’s been in the nadir range most of the time for the last week, and looking at other folks’ spreadsheets I could see some that would have moved on with a reduction and some who let the dose ride until almost all blues were gone, and even took them back up if blues snuck in…anyway, you asked what I was thinking, so thank you! And thanks to @Bandit's Mom for always giving good explanations!
 
Karen and Chispa said:
Herman's about-face over the last month or so gives me hope for all sugar kitties. It wasn't so long ago that you were seeing reds and limes in the same cycle, and look at him now, showing off on his blue and green surfboard! I picture him in lifeguard orange shorts, balanced on both hind legs, fluffy mane blowing wildly about his face as he slices deftly through the ocean waves. Dude!! :D
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I loved this so much I sent a screenshot to my husband. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Jackie and Biggie said:
d looking at other folks’ spreadsheets I could see some that would have moved on with a reduction and some who let the dose ride until almost all blues were gone, and even took them back up if blues snuck in…
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Yes - it's amazing how we (or at least I) can end up down a rabbit hole of looking at other SS then fixating on the differences or similarities that I am experiencing and trying to understand and pick apart the why's based on the protocol etc! But that's also what makes this forum so great - having everyones SS available to everyone to look and learn and compare from is just so helpful!
 
Speaking of rabbit holes....I decided to draw up some sample syringes with coloured water to help me draw out the 0.25 dose consistently...and holy moly are the "0" lines on my syringes inconsistent :eek: (and rarely actually parallel to the top of the syringe, rather they are angled)....i (almost) always take a photo of my filled syringes to refer back to if he has a crazy low day so I can see if I was maybe too generous that day...soooooo...one more thing to over think! :nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting:
 
Jackie and Biggie said:
I was wondering about this a lot yesterday with Biggie since he’s been in the nadir range most of the time for the last week, and looking at other folks’ spreadsheets I could see some that would have moved on with a reduction and some who let the dose ride until almost all blues were gone, and even took them back up if blues snuck in…anyway, you asked what I was thinking, so thank you! And thanks to @Bandit's Mom for always giving good explanations!
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I have questions about this too. Chispa's had more high greens to mid blues than I would like on her current dose, which makes me wonder if I should increase -- but then every time I start to I think about it, she dips into the 50s/60s at night, so I don't know if it's safe to do, plus the sleep deprivation from staying up with her really gets to me after a while. @Bandit's Mom Are the "healing greens" more healing the lower they are? Is a steady surf in the 50s/60s more beneficial than 80s/90s? (Sorry to hijack this condo with my own question, but as long as we're all here ... :smuggrin:)
 
Amy & Herman said:
Speaking of rabbit holes....I decided to draw up some sample syringes with coloured water to help me draw out the 0.25 dose consistently...and holy moly are the "0" lines on my syringes inconsistent :eek: (and rarely actually parallel to the top of the syringe, rather they are angled)....i (almost) always take a photo of my filled syringes to refer back to if he has a crazy low day so I can see if I was maybe too generous that day...soooooo...one more thing to over think! :nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting:
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I can relate, too! I have wasted so many doses of insulin and dozens of syringes rethinking and overthinking doses. I’m so glad I started using calipers now. I don’t look at the lines much at all now but it does kind of throw you off when they are too high up or too low on the syringe. I’m not sure how calipers will help me when we hopefully get to .1u dosing though. I think that is more winging it or even counting drops. I just can’t even see the space between the calipers at such a tiny distance.
 
Amy & Herman said:
Speaking of rabbit holes....I decided to draw up some sample syringes with coloured water to help me draw out the 0.25 dose consistently...and holy moly are the "0" lines on my syringes inconsistent :eek: (and rarely actually parallel to the top of the syringe, rather they are angled)....i (almost) always take a photo of my filled syringes to refer back to if he has a crazy low day so I can see if I was maybe too generous that day...soooooo...one more thing to over think! :nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting:
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@Amy & Herman This is very good to know (about inconsistent markings).
Let me know if you ever run out of things to overthink, because I can always come up with more!!:eek::smuggrin:
 
I once took back 3 syringes to Walmart to show them the variations in the syringes. One had the zero line at the top of the syringe, and one had the zero line at about 0.25, and the other at about 0.5. That's a big difference, when you are getting into micro-dosing. They said they would contact Customer Service.
I ended up using calipers, and it took me about a week to get use to them, but helped, and I didn't have to look at the markings on the syringe anymore to get consistent dosing.
 
Amy & Herman said:
Speaking of rabbit holes....I decided to draw up some sample syringes with coloured water to help me draw out the 0.25 dose consistently...and holy moly are the "0" lines on my syringes inconsistent :eek: (and rarely actually parallel to the top of the syringe, rather they are angled)....i (almost) always take a photo of my filled syringes to refer back to if he has a crazy low day so I can see if I was maybe too generous that day...soooooo...one more thing to over think! :nailbiting::nailbiting::nailbiting:
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Jackie and Biggie said:
I can relate, too! I have wasted so many doses of insulin and dozens of syringes rethinking and overthinking doses. I’m so glad I started using calipers now. I don’t look at the lines much at all now but it does kind of throw you off when they are too high up or too low on the syringe. I’m not sure how calipers will help me when we hopefully get to .1u dosing though. I think that is more winging it or even counting drops. I just can’t even see the space between the calipers at such a tiny distance.
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I wish I'd have known about the badly-marked syringes from the very beginning. That could save me from some lime BG anxious nights that I thought on the hindsight were overdosed. Those ReliOn and BD syringes I got in the beginning from local pharmacy could be marked off by up to 0.4U, which is almost double when dosing at 0.5U or less. But, thanks dearly to this forum and I learned that I could buy syringes online without prescriptions, I got from Amazon the one syringe that I finally found with almost perfect quality assurance: UltiCare VetRx U-100 Pet Insulin Syringes. I was so amazed that every syringe of the box I got has true zero mark and crispy clear line at the hub bottom, which is crucial to use with calipers when dosing tiny like 0.1U. And a LED tracing light board (under$20) certainly helps too!
 
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Elaine Lai said:
I wish I'd have known about the badly-marked syringes from the very beginning. That could save me from some lime BG anxious nights that I thought on the hindsight were overdosed. Those ReliOn and BD syringes I got in the beginning from local pharmacy could be marked off by up to 0.4U, which is almost double when dosing at 0.5U or less. But, thanks dearly to this forum and I learned that I could buy syringes online without prescriptions, I got from Amazon the one syringe that I finally found with almost perfect quality assurance: UltiCare VetRx U-100 Pet Insulin Syringes. I was so amazed that every syringe of the box I got has true zero mark and crispy clear line at the hub bottom, which is crucial to use with calipers when dosing tiny like 0.1U. And a LED tracing light board (under$20) certainly helps too!
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Wow ok - so I have the BD syringes and here are the two I pulled out today to set up a couple sample syringes with coloured water. I will look on Amazon for the ulticare!
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Elaine Lai said:
By the way, the syringe type like BD's with flared hub will make it almost impossible to use with calipers.
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Wow…wow…what a great photo thank you…I have a hard time already with 0.25, the plunger sticks then I push out too much and have to start over. Dh watched me yesterday and was horrified by how much insulin I wasted getting it “right”. I will look into calipers, too.
 
Elaine Lai said:
By the way, the syringe type like BD's with flared hub will make it almost impossible to use with calipers when dosing tiny.
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You would use the upper (smaller) arms of the callipers for such syringes where there is a "ring" at the end of the syringe.
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Karen and Chispa said:
@Bandit's Mom Are the "healing greens" more healing the lower they are? Is a steady surf in the 50s/60s more beneficial than 80s/90s? (Sorry to hijack this condo with my own question, but as long as we're all here ... :smuggrin:)
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I believe green is green and all of them are healing :-)
 

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@Elaine Lai Good heavens, that is practically microscopic. LED light pad is a great idea.
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Here is a photo of the set-up I use. I use the zoom function of a smartphone to magnify (it's wonderful) and another phone with the My Light app as a backlight.
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Karen and Chispa said:
@Elaine LaiNot that I'll be needing them for a while, but what kind of calipers do you use, and where do you get them?
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While callipers make it easy to measure tiny doses, people use them at all doses to measure them consistently. Markings on the syringe can be off by as much as 0.5U. When you use callipers, you can ignore the markings on the syringe.

This is a popular brand used in the US: Harbor Freight 4" digital calipers

And here's the Dosing with calipers sticky which has videos and more info.
 

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Bandit's Mom said:
Here is a photo of the set-up I use. I use the zoom function of a smartphone to magnify (it's wonderful) and another phone with the My Light app as a backlight.
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While callipers make it easy to measure tiny doses, people use them at all doses to measure them consistently. Markings on the syringe can be off by as much as 0.5U. When you use callipers, you can ignore the markings on the syringe.

This is a popular brand used in the US: Harbor Freight 4" digital calipers

And here's the Dosing with calipers sticky which has videos and more info.
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These photos are amazing. I use calipers but I didn’t think I could possibly see such a small measurement as the .1u even but the phone magnifier is brilliant!
 
Bandit's Mom said:
Here is a photo of the set-up I use. I use the zoom function of a smartphone to magnify (it's wonderful) and another phone with the My Light app as a backlight.
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While callipers make it easy to measure tiny doses, people use them at all doses to measure them consistently. Markings on the syringe can be off by as much as 0.5U. When you use callipers, you can ignore the markings on the syringe.

This is a popular brand used in the US: Harbor Freight 4" digital calipers

And here's the Dosing with calipers sticky which has videos and more info.
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Wow….I keep saying wow…I need to get my measuring up to snuff, I can say with certainty that I am nowhere near as accurate as this! Also need to work at zero bubbles and, as I said earlier, physically making the adjustments themselves. It’s one thing to be certain where you want the plunger to line up, it’s another thing altogether to make it happen!….twisting that plunger to express the perfect amount to get the perfect dose proves challenging for me.
 
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