11/4 Esmeralda's AMPS 395, +4 232, +6 64

Good Morning Guys,
With such low numbers yesterday afternoon/evening, I did NOT do a PM U. Do you think I need to decrease her dose back down to 1.5. Im thinking her low numbers were due to NO more dry food, so I dont have to give her as much? your thoughts please....

 

Okay guys do I need to be concerned here? we are only 1/2 way thru the day, and she is hitting low numbers?

 

K, HELP HERE, +6.25/53

 

Hey there - you're still ok - don't panic. Do you have some higher carb canned food around? You might want to give her a little (maybe a tsp) gravy... but she may be near her nadir (typically around +6, but ECID) which means her numbers will probably start going up on their own soon...

 

Agree with Krys, maybe even just a small bit of LC to bump the number up just a bit. 53 is getting a bit low. Just give her a small little bit, like a tsp, to eat and see if that bumps up her number. Test again 15 minutes after she eats.

 

+6.50/50

 

you're doing fine!
feed another teaspoon of lc and retest in 15 minutes. k?

 

Are you giving her any wet food? Please update us.

You're doing fine - 50 isn't super low and even though it looks like she's still dropping, it could just be a variance in meter readings (50 and 55 are basically the same thing)...

I remember the first time my baby hit the 30s... I cried... The second time, I called my BF laughing and THRILLED because I was confident about how to manage her with food and testing...

Take a deep breath.

 

I dont want to give her the high carb yet, just want someone to tell me now to panic
she isnt dropping as fast now, will test in :45 after the hr.

 

Im keep mumbling to myself "Im killing her"

 

Can't advise on dosing but, if you don't want to give HC because you think she's near her nadir, then you best test every 15 until you start to see her rising!!
Don't panic...you're doing fine. You're NOT killing her!!!! We've gotten down into the 30's...just test...it is your friend and so is food if you need it.

 

This is the LONGEST 15 min >>>>>>>>

 

don't panic.
feed a teaspoon of lc and retest 15 minutes after getting that 50.
you're not alone. lots of eyes here...

 

No - actually, you are saving her... These are actually good numbers - when you can sustain greens like these, you'll be giving her pancreas a chance to heal!!!!

Be aware, you will likely end up with a bounce after this - it's a pretty big drop from the high 300s to the 50s...

But you're doing fine.

 

i can't offer advice, but I can offer support! keep hanging in their and BREATHE! You have good support guiding you!!

 

Absolutely!!! I know...been there. Just remember...you need to get rising numbers and don't stop testing until you do but if you start to get a higher number that is not a food spike, then you are probably ok to go to every 30 mins...whatever she'll let you do. Our first time down, we kept testing every 15 until she was higher.

 

Gosh I even reduced her dose this morning - What is nadir? I need a stiff drink

 

It's OK. You're doing what you need to do. Deep breath. You're getting wonderful advise here.

 

Nadir is when the insulin peaks in their system - and when their numbers are at their lowest, before they start rising. With Lantus, it's "typically" around +6, but can vary, even from day to day.

 

OMGoodness, that would be great if it is her nadir. Cant take this, going to test, its 3min early. But dont care

 

What they have told me is that you don't see an immediate effect from the dose change...so you might still be seeing an effect from the higher dose due to her shed but best to ask one of the advisors the specifics on that. Where is she now?

 

you're seeing leftover action from the 2u "shed"/insulin depot. "nadir" is when the action of the insulin is reaching it's peak. peak meaning, the numbers are the lowest. when she bounces from this, you'll have time to review the stickies. links to "nadir" and much more are in those stickies. :mrgreen:

lol! later.

 

its 44 Im going to give her a teaspoon

 

What are you feeding her - do you know the carb %?

Take a look at how she's acting. With my girl, I typically would be running around, heart pounding and she'd be looking at me like she wondered what the fuss was all about.

 

time to break out the hc. feed a teaspoon and retest in 15 minutes, please...

 

she ate a lil bit of it, not the whole thing

 

What are you feeding her? If you have something with gravy - all she needs to do is lick some gravy - that's where most of the carbs are.

 

then squeeze a little of the gravy out of the hc and see if she'll lick it.
let me know what she does...

 

Fancy Feast grilled ckn feast in gravy, she licked the gravy, well most of it

 

good!
retest in 15 minutes, please.
you're doing great!

 

Jill's here :mrgreen:

I'm just going to tell you, you are doing great! Keep it up, once she starts rising, then break out the chocolate/wine for yourself ;-)

 

retesting

 

we'll be waiting...

 

Fancy Feast grilled ckn feast in gravy is about 18% carbs - which should be plenty... Good job on getting her to lick the gravy.

Once she starts rising, remember to keep testing about every 30 min till you're sure.

 

42

 

Ok - try another tsp gravy and retest in 15 min... It's the "lather, rinse, repeat" approach... Keep this up and she will start rising eventually!

 

ok

 

She's stubborn!!! You got Jill on board so that's all you need!!! Good luck..will keep watching just to see when she comes up.

 

let her lick a little more gravy, k?
retest in 15 minutes.
in 15 minutes, if she dropped into the 30s, let her lick a little karo mixed with the gravy OR apply some to her gums.
then post and let us know what's going on.

we'll be here...

 

she licked the gravy off my finger, while Im dying here, last night she had low numbers also, do you think its the Xobaline? or is it the NON dry food?

 

Maple Syrup is good to right?

 

my money's on the dry food having been removed from her diet...


maple syrup is FINE.

 

also, while we are waiting and im dying slowly here, her eyes are very clear, she taking a bath

 

good for her!
you're doing a great job with her...

 

I'm a newbie and following along closely. You are in good hands.

 

I keep hearing the vet saying "Now Danette keep her between 200-400...

 

ugh. yes, many of us have heard the same...

 

49, thank you EVERYONE, this is good right?

 

When you get through this...and you are doing wonderful....here's Sienne's great post on low numbers:

viewtopic.php?f=9&t=28888

 

this is very good. however, let's get her bumped up into the 60s.
see if she'll eat a bit of hc. if she won't, try having her lick hc gravy. if that doesn't work, try feeding her some lc.
retest in 15 minutes.

let me know what she ends up eating/licking, k?

 

Marjorie, I couldnt help but PANIC, I read it this morning, and re-read it a bit ago. But I promise I will get better...

 

I just need to drink more often... This has been so raw on my feelings, as Im sure you guys have gone thru this toooo, OH THE TEARS.

 

awwwwwwwwwwwwwwww :YMHUG: cat_pet_icon
I can only imagine!!
I know I want to drink more sometimes too, but the catch is I don't want to drink too much incase Mowgli needs me!

But I know this, YOU HAVE EARNED YOUR TREAT once your through this!

 

(((((danette)))))
yep, it's scary until you get used to lower numbers. the first time alex dropped to 70 i was shaking.
the thing is, these are normal numbers. we want our kitties to be cruising these numbers... without the big drops!

 

I know it's scary, but you are doing GREAT!! Keep it up and keep Jill posted as to what Esmeralda's eating and how much.

:YMHUG: :YMHUG:

 

66, ok, she is lookin at me like "my mom has gone mad" first she is pokin me all the time, now she is kissing me all over LOL

 

Better :smile:

 

See - you're doing fine... And once you realize you can steer her numbers with food and testing, you should feel more confident if her numbers start to go low again.

Hopefully you were at her nadir and the numbers will be rising from here. Look on the bright side - she's fine, grooming away as if nothing special is going on and she had the grace to wait till +6 to throw this at you. Imagine how long an evening you'd be looking at if this were +2!

 

awww i love our kitties!!! they are so genuine with their looks!

 

nice! good job, mom!
now you'll want to make sure she surfs from here. if it were me, i'd retest in 30 minutes...

 

Kryskat,

I had that last night, I havnt stay'd up past 10pm (Pacific Time) in ages. I didnt even shoot her last night cause her numbers dropped also. So I dropped her U this morning, and Im still getting low numbers, DOES that mean she is still getting to much?

 

look at you go! nice work...you got the wise ones guiding you, and you're doing it like a pro!

 

yes, Im going to test her in 30min. Thank you so much guys, would you suggest dropping her U? (I dropped it from yesterday 2.0 to 1.5 this morning)?

And I took off the 911, thank you soooooo much guys, if you guys were here Id buy a round :smile:

 

since you removed all dry from her diet yesterday, i would be inclined to drop the dose to 1u bid. she can always be fast tracked back up the dosing scale if needed.

 

Listen to Jill - she knows of what she speaks!

She could still be having shed action from her 2 unit dose, but better to play it safe and go with 1 unit and then inch up if need be...

 

Jill,
Thank you so much, I couldnt thank you guys enough, Laurie last night, and you guys today.... I do agree, I will drop her tonight to 1.0, and will re-test at the top of the hr. I wont keep you, Im sure there is oooodles of newbies like myself who needs your expertise, wisdom, and calming effects. May the rest of your day be a WONDERFULL ONE. Im forever in your debt guys.

 

Great Job!!

:thumbup cat_pet_icon

 

Above post goes out to Jill & Alex, Kryskat, mybuddybinks, Mowgli and Keri, Marjorie & Gracie, Jen, and Laurie . And thank you Klkelly for the kind newbie words, I feel so silly sometimes, I feel like I will always be a newbie.

 

Danette... Glad to see that 911 off... Ouf.. now you can breathe... cat_pet_icon I remember when Frip hit below 50 the first time (not so long ago!!)... He was probably thinking I was crazy.. Poor baby never seen so much HC food in ½ hour!!!

Aren't we a strange gang, we give our kitties Lantus to drop the BG than feed HC to bring them back up!!!

 

krys is right. we could very well (we probably are) seeing some leftover action here from the 2u shed. the thing is, we may see even better results from the dry having been removed from her diet over the next couple of days.

let's keep an eye on things over the next few cycles.
if she needs more insulin, you won't have to wait 6 cycles before taking the dose back up.

nice work, danette!!!

 

Well that's quite the afternoon you've had. I'm sure you're exhausted. You're doing fine though. You really are. It will get easier. I promise you it will. I love how our kitties look at us as if we're crazy when we get into a panic over a number, be it high or low. They don't give a hoot about a number - just about how they feel. They can't understand what all the fuss is about. Lord bless them. You've earned a treat tonight make sure you take the time to have one.

 

Danette...just checking in to see where Esmeralda is now. Hope she's back up some...are you ok?? :lol:

 

Hoping you enjoyed an adult beverage or two after this

MJ&Donovan

 

Just wanted to check in and say you did a great job today Danette.
I have been here 2 years and I still learn new things all the time so don't you feel silly....you are learning and there is a lot to learn. :mrgreen:

 

Ok guys, she was good at 70, and I left, to pick up my husband, car problems, I come back she is at 42. I tried Gravy & Chicken, wont eat, i gave her some maple syrup. What is driving her numbers soooo low?

 

Great job today, Danette. Good luck with the dosecrease!

 

I know what to do, but she wont eat, I have givien her Maple Syprup, via her mouth. She looks good thought, her eyes are clear, and she is really pissed at me for poken her ear AGAIN.

 

ooooh, pretty kitty!!!

What a day you have had today. Good luck with the reduction to 1u! It looks like removing dry food may be doing wonders for Esmeralda. :mrgreen:

Just saw your post - how many hours has it been since you shot? Probably the spike from the high carb food you fed early is wearing off. How about giving her a tsp of high carb gravy and testing in 15 minutes...

eta: ok, I see you gave syrup, good. Please test again soon.

 

Are you at +10.5 now? What + number are you at?
Do you have any other flavors of HC that you can try?

 

I will re test at 45 after the hr. OMG I feel horrible for leaving for an hr to get my husband. its at +10.5 hours since her last u? Yah 10.5. Im thinking of not giving her evening again.

 

I kind of agree with you about skipping the shot tonight, and I think you might be reducing the dose, too. But, I'll leave that up to those more experienced in giving dosing advise. Wow, what a day you've had!

 

we'll be here.

Don't worry, she's not in danger, she's just "surfing" lower than your comfort zone. We don't encourage them to spend a lot of time in the 40's, but they're cats, sometimes they do it anyway. We're here with you, and you are totally in control of these numbers.

 

I know I was geared up for 1.0 tonight (PACIFIC TIME) 7pm, 1.0u, BUT know way now. Im going to retest

 

let's wait and see about tonight's dose. Part of the decision will hinge on how long it takes for her to come back up.

 

okay, she is at 71, oh my this will be at 10.75 hrs since her last U, doesnt look like she is getting another one tonight

 

Libby & Lucy,
Its taken maple syrup to get back up from 40 to 72

 

good, but the 71 is the syrup talking so please test again in another 30 minutes.

 

Iam home and staying home, testing in 15min. I feel horrible leaving for 1 hr, when her numbers were gooood. But she looks real good, her eyes are clear, and she is pissed that Iam poken her ear AGAIN.

 

Good job there! I remember the panic, the shaking, the quick dose lowering when dry removed. And Tom feeling good and wondering what all the fuss was about but hey, Mommy is spoon feeding me food with gravy! Cool!
Good times.

 

are you giving treats after her tests? A tiny bit of chicken can go a long way toward getting her to accept testing.

 

I dont do treats, OMY do I shower her w/love. she looks at me like "whats all the fuss mom". "what the hell mom", test in 2 min

 

Omy do we cuddle, I dont go to bed w/o Ess, my husband is like "what the hell". she is my baby. We go together every were.

 

I just want you to know that I completely understand what you are going through...no sleep, tears, worries, raw emotions! I was there just a few short weeks ago! Look at Sue's SS on 10/13/10. I cut the dry food and didn't cut the dose (was on PZI then)(cut the dry food against ex-vet's orders). I almost died when he dropped to the greens. He was fine. I was not fine! After a while, you will not freak out. Remember to watch your cat and let his/her behavior guide you and test every 15-20 minutes and keep offering food! You did a great job! It will get easier!!!!!

GOOD LUCK!!!!

Jenny

 

she is at 49 +11.0

 

sill not give Esmeralda her PM and test every 30min. until i can see her numbers climb w/o carbs/surgars. Its going to be a night. Will give her 1.0 my time (pacific) 7am.

 

will she eat anything? A little food should help keep her from dropping any more. Whatever she's interested in eating is ok, even if it's the gravy food.

 

That's 22 points in 15 minutes. From 71 at +10.75 to 49 at +11. Please give her some more gravy, or syrup.

 

She loves tuna, human adult kind, i gave her maple syrup 15 min ago, on her gums, well on the roof of her mouth; re=testing now.

 

Do you have a Trader Joe's? They sell tuna for cats and it's irresistible!!!

 

57 @ +11.50