17/2 Mauer 106, +1 104, +2 94, +3 103, +4 77, 4.5 74, +5 65, +5.5 83, +6 79, +7 79, +8 95 PMPS 131

@Bandit's Mom 5.9!!! Stalling no food.

 

Why are you stalling? SHOOT WOMAN!

She will continue to fall without food. And I already told you - now you should lower your bar to 100 - for shooting without stalling.

 

Oh. I'm shooting then

 

Not reduce?

 

Good show!
Remind me, do you have higher carbs? 8-10%? Or even MC -12%?

 

No, I'm mixing LC and HC

 

NO! We wait for her to earn the reduction. When she is good and ready.

I presume you can monitor right? Not stepping out?

 

Nope, I'll be bothering you ALL day
I gave the full dose.

 

LOL. Don't fill her up. Make a mix of LC-HC so that it's around 10% carbs and feed her that. Probably every hour. Let's see how she does at each test.

My guess is you should have a cycle similar to Feb 12.

 

Just fed her raw. You want me to give more now?

 

I want her to get something in slightly higher carbs. But since it's Levemir, you have time till onset. So you can test at +1 and feed higher carbs then.

 

Just went out for some new wet food. Also have dreamies. I'm calculating carbs now

 

Said 3%. Must be doing something wrong... its 10% meat, rest is grains

 

grains???!!! in wet food?

 

Oh yes, horrible quality!
In gravy. Says meat and animal byproducts, turkey 5%, beef 5%, grain, minerals, inulin.
10% meat, rest is trash.

 

Moisture 82%
Protein 8.0%
Fat 4.5%
Ash 2%
Fibre 0.5%

I get 3% carb...... I don't get it?!

 

Yup. I was going to ask if it was gravy. That has grains and needs to for the carbs part. Can't be 3% carbs then.

 

Then what is it?

 

It's 3% carbs on an "as fed" basis but it's 17% carbs on a dry matter basis. so it is HC.

 

use this calculator. looks at dry matter carbs.

http://www.scheyderweb.com/cats/catfood.html

 

I used that one too. Lol! I just looked the wrong place
Sauce is gravy, right?

 

So half a spoon of LC and half HC?
Or 3/4 LC?

 

Usually it says gravy. I've seen a FF that says extra gravy but that is LC. LOL.
Don't go by the names, check the carb%.

 

What is LC% and what is HC%?
15 minutes for +1?

 

Well, I'll recalculate now.
Yeah 15 minutes

 

Dry matter % of what I've considered LC is 14%!
So..... I'm not feeding LC?! And haven't been?!?!?!

 

Nope. You have been feeding MC. Higher end of the MC range as well!

 

I hate myself. Then should I go to HC right away? Or...?
Now I can't count on anything I've seen.
Even my dryfood is lower in carbs than this. I hate myself.

 

OK OK. Deep breaths. Let me understand this. Have you been feeding Mauer the 14% as regular food? Assuming it's LC?
Do you have any canned LC?

 

Exactly.
I don't know if have any, I thought I did....
So what am I feeding her now +1?

 

So all you have is the raw in LC?

 

Apparently? Maybe?

 

The positive aspect is that she should see MUCH better numbers once you stop the MC. But you need to do that gradually because she is getting a higher dose than she would need once she is fed LC.

Do you have a store nearby? Can you get canned LC between +1 and +2 tests? We can mix the LC and MC to get slightly higher carb LC.

 

Homework for you after you are done with today's cycle. Or even in between tests. Calculate the carb% of all the various kinds of canned food you have and label it or write it down somewhere. When she drops low and you need to feed the curve, you will need to readily know what food is how much % carbs. Your mind will be a blank then and you don't want to try calculating at that time.

 

The raw is frozen, and she's already only getting 2x25 grams a day.
I can't get any LC without driving an half hour and possibly not even there...
I can do the calculations on all the food I have, but for now I need to work with what I have

 

OK. So she is flat at +1. Feed a spoon of your MC (14%). Test at +2.

You also have a 17%, right? Any higher? And I guess you have honey?

 

My undercover LC
Gosh... I shouldn't be responsible for anything with numbers and mathematics.....

 

Its okay! It's okay! Better late than never!
Now we need to figure out how to transition her from MC to LC - when you get some - and adjust the dose accordingly. Fasten your seatbelt!

 

Test at +2.
You also have a 17%, right? Any higher? And I guess you have honey?

 

We might go like low low in dosage. Holy moly. But I'm broke, so.....

I have honey too. Sheba wet food with added sugar. Dreamies too

 

And dryfood at 10%
And diabetic dryfood at 30% something

 

No dry. Calculate the carb % of the Sheba.

So you have the 14% food and Sheba in wet? Dreamies are treats, right?

When you were feeding LC-HC mix whenever she went low, what was the LC and the HC that you were mixing?

 

Yeah they are treats.
Well, then I mixed 14% with the unknown Sheba

 

(a) See if the Sheba is in in this list. If not, calculate the carb%.
https://catinfo.org/chart/index.php

(b) What is the 14% MC food called?

(c) What new food did you mean here? The MC 14%?

 

https://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/dogs/wet_dog_food/rocco/rocco_classic/34231 beef with chicken.
And i know its for dogs, but its pure meat, and only ment for complementary food, since the raw is covering everything else.
And that's what she's been getting today

 

This is 17% carbs. HC!

I am really confused about what you are feeding! You fed raw at AMPS, right? And Rocco Beef with Chicken at +1?

 

Which one is this?

 

I got 16%

I feed mushbarf at amps and pmps. In-between she get canned food, different types.
And wait a minute and I'll show you.

 

Let's start from scratch. List out all the wet food you have and their carb%. Do this after the +2 test.

She got Mushbarf (raw) at AMPS today and Rocco Beef with Chicken at +1?

 

This is what I've got and been feeding with.

 

Exactly!
Doing the +2

 

Saw the 94 at +2. What did you feed at +1?

 

Beef and chicken witch gave 16%. Just fed that again

 

My Sheba comes in at 9%, perfect portions with chicken. That's patè.
The 50g bag in sauce is 11%. With added sugar...

 

OK. Now in the next hour, take a look at all the canned food you have and calculate the carb% and let me know. Name of the food + carb%.
You don't consider calcium and phosphorous and other minerals. Just protein, fat, ash, fibre and moisture. Use the calculator I sent you and look at the dry matter carbohydrates %

I'm going to go for yoga class in 5 mins and will be gone for an hour. So I will miss your +3. Feed the same Rocco if she is flat or lower.

 

I'll just do it all over again

You have a wonderful class! Enjoy it!

 

According to catinfo, Sheba Perfect Potions Pate is 3% carbs. And that's good to feed as LC. Just NOT TODAY.

Which brand is this?

 

You have an hour. Take your time See you in an hour.

 

Both Sheba.

See you in an hour

 

So here comes a wall of text!
Her mushbarf is 4% carb, that's fed when she gets insulin.

Up to the 2 of February she has been getting the 5% during the day, and the two combined free fed after PMPS.

From the 2 February she's been getting this 7% and one of the other during the night, free fed, one of the cans during the day

This arrived the 12 of february, and she's had those during the day, and with the 7% during the night.



This is my leftover, no-one likes it really... but I have it, and calculated those too

This is my hypo-food, witch will be switched out!

So until recently she's been on a LC diet. Then I just made a mess! But what I don't understand is, since the 12 and the HC she's been in good numbers?
One of the big cans lastes me a day and a half, and I ordered 6 of each kind of the Rocco brand, and have 5 of each left.
The 15 when she dropped I actually fed 21% carb(that I thought was LC), with the 11%(that I thought was HC).... so with that in mind... then what??
I hope all this makes sense.. don't even know if I understand it!
As of the +3 I have half a spoon

 

Let's go easy on the HC now. Don't feed and see how the cycle progresses.

 

That's why she only got half a spoon

 

So I understand right, till Feb 12th, she was getting raw (4%) at PS and 5-7% carbs for the rest of the day/night. After Feb 12th, you started giving her Rocco (either entirely or mixed with 7%) in the day and night?

So till Feb 11th she was on an entirely LC diet?

And are you sure of the Sheba % ?

 

Yeah sounds right. The 7% is only after pmps, mixed with one of the other kinds.

Until feb 11 only LC yes.

No I'm not. I don't have the outer package anymore, and I'm terrible with numbers.


And for the 7% bags you see? I went dumpster diving in my own trash, since the bags themselves don't have analytics on them... wonderfully day!

 

LOL. But you are sure of the carb % of the Topic, Coshida and Rinti?
If you want, send me the label/analytical constituents and I will calculate them and confirm. ONLY IF you aren't sure and want another set of eyes on them.

Let's go back to LC once we are done with this cycle. You will go down by 0.25 to 0.5U with the food change.

 

Do I feed?

 

I have the numbers to calculate from, I don't with Sheba. Only pictures on zooplus, where I find the ones I THINK I have.. thats why I'm not sure.
I'm sure of the other ones. Did them twice

 

Feed the 7%. We want her to earn the reduction so we can reduce. And safely switch to LC!

 

Or the Sheba 9%. IF it is 9% and not 3%!

 

Fed the 7%. Too late. She swallowed it or inhaled it. New test +5 or +4.5?

 

I also looked it up on zooplus. It is 9%. Feed a spoon of it.
https://www.zooplus.co.uk/shop/cats/canned_cat_food_pouches/sheba/perfect_portions/762398

 

Let's do +4.5 to be safe.

 

How is it possible that she's been doing great on high carb in general?
I'm just glad you made me calculate...
It would have been a disaster if I suddenly switched to LC without knowing!

I've already fed the 7%. Do you want me to feed 9% on top of the 7%?

We're going 4.5 then

 

It may not be the higher carb that she is doing better on but the Levemir. Her body takes a little while to understand and get used to an insulin. Plus she is at a higher dose.

Let's wait till +4.5 and then decide on what to feed.

 

74. 7 or 9%?

 

7%. Test in an hour. She is slowing down.

 

Test in half an hour if that'll make you feel better

 

Lol! You already know me

 

65 and one hungry kitty!

 

Feed 7% or 9% doesn't matter. I don't want to prevent a reduction with higher carbs. Knowing our luck, she won't earn it today either!

 

But we are down to feeding every half hour now?
I'll do another test in 20, and skip this spoon?
She got a mouthful when her brother was eating just now. If she could, she would have eaten it out of his mouth...

 

OK. Let's see where she is in half an hour w/o food!

 

83!

From now on, we don't talk about those going down in dosage things!

 

I though this would make up for it. Don't worry. Once you take out the Rocco, you'll get it.

Stick to the 5-7% foods and raw from now on and let's see where it takes us!

 

I'll do another test in 15, feed then, and then go to 1 hour testing.

Going forward, do I reduce? Based on she's been given HC? Or stay at current dose and see?

I told you I'd be bothering you all day!!
This must be like a full time job for you!

 

Why would you test in another 15. She is in safe numbers to test every hour now.

Will reply to other questions in a few.

 

I hate doing the @half hour testing. So now I know what I'm feeding her at and start from a whole hour

 

Let's hold the dose and see. She should earn a reduction soon. Oops! I did it again!

 

When did she last eat? At +5?

 

Probably? I don't remember to be honest

I see ny sleep withering away

 

I think it was +5 (going by message history)

And you mocked my welcome to the club. HO HO HO!

 

You welcomed me to a club I didn't want to be a part of still don't, by the way!!!!

She's suuuuurfing! Just fed her again.

 

First of all, congrats on shooting a middling lowish number. Shooting blues should be very common place with Levemir. I am hoping you get the opportunity to do the same for greens soon. Then you'll see how wonderfully flat the cycle can be. I personally loved shooting the 80's. That seemed to be Neko's sweet spot, she often move no more than 10 points the entire cycle.

Second, higher carbs was totally unnecessary in this case. Tagging @Gill & George who might have some ideas for good MC and HC in Europe.

Mauer - carry on surfing, you are doing great.

 

Well, I didn't feed higher carbs on purpose like that. Bhooma asked me if I had some, witch ended in me checking all my foods, and as it turns out, it wasn't LC I've been feeding the past few days. So it was kinda more an accident
Always nice to be prepared. I was just waaaaaay to prepared
And it didn't do much anyway

Gosh you're freaking me out. I really don't feel like shooting the 80's! At all!

 

95. Can I stop feeding her every hour?

 

Yup! And you can stop testing till PMPS!

 

Don't know if I have the nuts for that

 

oh come on! she is headed higher and is past her nadir. you haven't even fed HC after +1 or +2 so you needn't worry about high carbs propping her up and her falling after they wear off!
anyway, i won't be around for your PMPS. good luck! do not skip.

 

I won't skip! Cause I'm going to bother @Wendy&Neko at pmps time, if Mauer isn't yellow or high blue
Thank you so much, Bhooma
Hope I wasn't to big a pain in your behind

 

Not at all! Happy to help!
@tiffmaxee will also be around. Tag her as well.

You can shoot any number over 100 without stalling/asking, remember?
From tomorrow that becomes 90 and day after 80.