2/23 George AMBG 73, +1 92, +2 97, +10.25 88, PMPS 114, +2 72, +4 79

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  1. Hammy

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    I have someone here that can feed him all day today. My daughter will leave right before I get home.
     
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  3. Bandit's Mom

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    When can you get tests?
     
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    I can get +1 and+2 before I leave and one more between +4 and+7 I'll be home around +9
     
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    @Gill & George are you around? I'm a little nervous asking Heather to give George even a drop with such a low AMPS. Especially since she has to leave for work in 2 hours.
     
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    I'll hold off feeding as well
     
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    Will you be able to get a +4?

    Let's see if Gill is around.
     
  8. Bandit's Mom

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    If you had been home, I would have asked you to shoot.
     
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    I understand that. I could run home at +4. Any time really just an earlier lunch break which is fine
     
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    Gill is here, let's see what she has to say :)
     
  11. Gill & George

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    He seems flat coming into PS so he is probably OK to shoot, but we haven't got a lot of data and the depot is building (so you may get some more downward momentum).

    Maybe you could shoot fee him his regular meal now and leave him some MC as his +1 snack and if you can get a +3 or +4? (+3 preferable)
    But what would happen if he was lime green at that point? If you can't stay with him, even though you could try and abort the cycle by giving him a good meal of HC, and leaving food out for him to snack on, it is a risk.

    Given the lack of data, for safety, if you are not able to stay with him if he should turn lime green, I think you should skip, and resume the drop dose this evening.
    If you have the possibility of staying with him then you could shoot and play it by ear with the +3

    Anyone at home to give him regular snacks today?
     
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  12. Bandit's Mom

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    Gill, she can get a +2 and probably a +4. And I think she has her daughter at home who can feed him every hour?
     
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    Someone is home to give him food. How long do you think I would need to stay with him if he was to low at+3? 2 hours?
     
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    Daughter can feed every hour
     
  15. Hammy

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    I'm going to be home Friday Saturday and Sunday all day
     
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    I gave not fed yet. Usually I'm done be 630 cat. So my times are starting to run late for a plus too
     
  17. Bandit's Mom

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    What time is it now? 7am?
     
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    Might be safer to skip. Get a test between +4 and +6.
     
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    For example tomorrow I can probably get a +1, go to work and come home for a +3 if need be
     
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    You could shoot the dose and give him some MC at +1 get a +2 (or +1.5), if he is flat, give him some more MC or HC if he is dropping (but stiill green)
    Get your daughter to feed on the hour, depending on the +2 MC or LC.
    If +4 was lime green you might need to be with him for a hour or two, depends on how quickly he comes up.

    But it could get quite crazy and if you are going to be home for a few days at the end of the week, I would skip and resume tonight, no need to put yourself through the stress.
     
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  22. Gill & George

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    If you skip you can resume the dose tonight at your regular shot time
     
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  23. Hammy

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    Thank you. Am I setting him back by skipping? =(
     
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  24. Gill & George

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    no he will be OK.
     
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    What is the range for staying flat? Healthy curve without insulin? +1 with no shot is 92
     
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    Thats good.

    I'd be very happy to see him below 100.

    ETA the depot will probably still influence his cycle and help keep his numbers down even though you didn't shoot.
     
  27. Bandit's Mom

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    Is this after food?
     
  28. Hammy

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    Yes.
    630 PMBG (waited 30 minutes to feed to see what to do)
    700 FEED
    730 (+1) 92
    830 (+2) 95 fed a smidge because I saw there was still some of the vitamin I am giving him for his rear legs)

    I can go home for +4 to +7....do you think a +4 would be good? I haven't had one of those in a while.
     
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    oops. I realize I am closer to a +5 now
     
  30. Hammy

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    I haven't gotten a +9 at all
     
  31. Bandit's Mom

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    If he will let you test, both those tests are good. But if he gets cranky with tests, I would reserve some pokes for the night when you give the insulin :)
     
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    If I could skip going home at lunch and get a +9 or +10 that would be better....save running home for tomorrow and thursday since we know he should be safe today until I get home?

    I will have daughter feed him at 1230pm (+6)??

    does that sound good?
     
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  33. Bandit's Mom

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    Yup. Sounds good! :)
     
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    Thank you! <3
     
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    Hello! Should I feed or do a +10 or 11? He hasn't eaten since +7
     
  36. Gill & George

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    If you just got home, grab a test before you feed
     
  37. Gill & George

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    What time are you on?
     
  38. Hammy

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    CST. Doing it now. Will be a +10.5 I thought maybe I should wait to feed him
     
  39. Hammy

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    Maybe just a dehydrated chicken peice treat
     
  40. Gill & George

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    No don't feed
     
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  41. Gill & George

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    You don't want food two hours before shot time.
    Unless he is lime green.
     
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    One tiny dehydrated chicken peice ok? I have it as a good boy. It was 88 at 450. 630 world be pmps
     
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  43. Gill & George

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    That should be ok, hope he's not chewing your arm off!
     
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    My automatic feeder will be here tomorrow!
    It looks as if he might have gotten some dry kibble. I don't think so, but possible. Is that was true, wouldn't his number be higher?
     
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    Haha, no. But he did claw at the bag that I had to replace because he tore the original packaging open. I'm hoping he doesn't figure out the auto feeder.
     
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    I won't be around when you are getting ready to shoot. Midnight here.

    @tiffmaxee may be here.
    Possibly, it depends when he got into it. With my George (BFG)t didn't show till the next morning one time he got into civies vacation kibble.

    Nice green at +10.5

    I thought BFG would tear on he feeder apart but he didn't. Hope your George behaved with it.
     
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  47. tiffmaxee

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    Hi. How long until PMPS?
     
  48. Hammy

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    Oh I was cooking dinner. I'm so sorry. Right now. 114
     
  49. Hammy

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    Do you think I didn't get enough blood? Why would it go up that much of he didn't eat
     
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    Feed and one drop?
     
  51. tiffmaxee

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    Yes. Feed and one drop.
     
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  52. tiffmaxee

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    He didn’t get insulin this morning. That’s still within normal limits. I’d get a +2.
     
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  53. Hammy

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    Thank you
     
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    +2 72 same as yesterday
     
  55. tiffmaxee

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    Will you be able to test at +3 and +4 tonight? Feed her a little lc as well.
     
  56. Hammy

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    Yes. Thank you.
    He is hating it right now.
    I poked 2x in one ear, no bleed. Then 2x in other ear. Poor George
     
  57. tiffmaxee

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    Are you using a rice sock? Rubbing his ear first? Just do the +4 and give him a little more food at +3 if you want.
     
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    Oops. I missed it. I just did it. +3 is 62
    I fed him some more.
     
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    I am using warm rice bag. His right ear bleeds better and I think I got over confident. Didn't hold it to his ear too long. He didn't like it.

    This past time he was good. But drop
     
  60. tiffmaxee

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    I see that. He might need a little mc at the next test. We would like him to stay above 50 for 7 days on a drop if we can.
     
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    Ok.i have it ready. Do you think I will need to do more than a+4 tonight
     
  62. tiffmaxee

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    I hope he’s nice and flat. He’s already lower than last night.
     
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    +4 79
     
  64. tiffmaxee

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    Feed her a little more and leave out a little and call it a night. :D
     
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    Is that higher than "flat" ? He will prob eat it all at once. I usually have to use the bathroom I'm armpit 4 hours lol I could feed again small amount
     
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    He’s higher so don’t bother leaving more out then if he will eat it all.
     
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  67. Bandit's Mom

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    What do we tomorrow AM for dosing?

    Heather, when will you be able to test if you shoot? Let's assume his AMPS may be on the lower side like it was this morning.
     
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    630am cst PMPS
    +1 and +2 before work
    Come home for a +4 h +6
    I could maybe come home for +3 and skip a plus 2 and go in early.
    Thursday would be the same.
    I prob could run home 2x if need be tomorrow and Thursday
    Friday -Sunday I'm available all day
     
  69. Bandit's Mom

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    I think a +2 would make more sense. You can feed before you leave based on the reading. You daughter can feed at +3 and you can get a +4?

    @tiffmaxee are you around?

    Let's decide on a no-shoot below number as well?
     
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    I’m here. Thinking.
     
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  71. tiffmaxee

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    I think if green I would skip. Starting Thursday you will be off and hav3 several cycles to monitor and see how he does before having to return to work.
     
  72. Bandit's Mom

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    Shall we try a drop if he is above 90? Skip below?
    She will be off Fri-Sunday.
     
  73. tiffmaxee

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    I’m thinking she can start shooting every cycle beginning Thursday night which will get lots of information, 7 cycles. So if high 90’s shoot but otherwise skip.
     
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  74. Bandit's Mom

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    Yes ma'am :) Makes sense.
     
  75. Hammy

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    92. It was on my finger tho and but my finger nail should I retest
     
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