? 28.04 Chico 144@PMPS - dose increase?

Marina & Chico

Marina & Chico

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Poor DB is in sole charge of Chico for the past few days, he still has a nice few more days ahead: now i know he misses me :D We managed to stop Chico from diving (kind of...) to too low numbers but now his BG is gradually climbing higher and higher. Do you think it is time for an increase or maybe we should wait a bit longer?

Thank you in advance for your advice :bighug::bighug:

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Liz & Minnie said:
Marina, so good to see you again! That's all I can helpfully contribute :) Good work to team Chico though, I have s/s envy whatever you decide to do.:bighug:
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Thank you Liz :bighug: i keep on sneaking on all the kitties here from now and then but i’ve been a bit caught up in other duties and wasn’t able to write more often.

i am very happy for Minnies progress and i feel your unwillingness to decrease :bighug: i am sure you will take the right decision for her :cat::cat:
 
Marina & Chico said:
Thank you Liz :bighug: i keep on sneaking on all the kitties here from now and then but i’ve been a bit caught up in other duties and wasn’t able to write more often.

i am very happy for Minnies progress and i feel your unwillingness to decrease :bighug: i am sure you will take the right decision for her :cat::cat:
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Thank you! She graduated to 'long term diabetic' status at the beginning of the month so now we live by different rules, which I had forgotten. Not that I want to see the lime greens ever! but 5u is so much easier than 4.75u. At least Chico is keeping civilized with the 0.5u for now :)
 
I think there isn't a lot of room to increase at the moment.... so perhaps wait until you get back (if it is only a few days more)? If you increase there is a chance he goes quite low on your brother, don't you think?
 
I do think you have room to increase. It might only be for a couple cycles to bring the overall numbers down. If you do you will need to monitor closely.
 
Liz & Minnie said:
Thank you! She graduated to 'long term diabetic' status at the beginning of the month so now we live by different rules, which I had forgotten. Not that I want to see the lime greens ever! but 5u is so much easier than 4.75u. At least Chico is keeping civilized with the 0.5u for now :)
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Ohhh, i did not register the change of status. She is doing pretty well on 5 units, i really hope she spend more time in dark green for you on a more constant basis so there is less things to worry about:cat:
 
Hercule's mum said:
I think there isn't a lot of room to increase at the moment.... so perhaps wait until you get back (if it is only a few days more)? If you increase there is a chance he goes quite low on your brother, don't you think?
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It is for a few more days but lately he goes in higher blues on a more constant basis and i believe he forgets the comfort of lower greens :( he might start bouncing again

DB is my husband and he can handle lower numbers better than me :)

btw, i was thinking abt Hercules with the deep dives Chico has/had. We honeyed Him up for a good week or so even at higher greens if the drop was too quick between PS to 1 to 1.5 to 2. Chico raised his BG overall because of it, which to me means he just needed more insulin even if his body was diving in this dose as well. Just as an idea, maybe using HC earlier in the cycles (whenever you see bigger drops) would do the same with Hercules.
Thankntou for stopping by:bighug:
 
tiffmaxee said:
I do think you have room to increase. It might only be for a couple cycles to bring the overall numbers down. If you do you will need to monitor closely.
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Thank you for your opinion. Do you think it might help with the dives in the beginning of the cycle? Or this is just something his body will do constantly?
I will warn DB abt the possible lower values and we will see how to go on from there
 
Have you tried feeding a little higher carbs at +1 to see f you can slow the early drop? I dint think the increase will help with that.
 
Marina & Chico said:
DB is my husband and he can handle lower numbers better than me
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Ah! He can indeed manage a crisis! sorry I misunderstood.

Marina & Chico said:
maybe using HC earlier in the cycles (whenever you see bigger drops) would do the same with Hercules.
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I increased his dose and will keep him on 9% food.... Lets see if third time is the charm at this dose ;)

With regards to dives.... I so wish I could find some science on it..... Have you found any?
 
tiffmaxee said:
Have you tried feeding a little higher carbs at +1 to see f you can slow the early drop? I dint think the increase will help with that.
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We are trying honey (this is our HC due to chronic diarrhea), honey unlike HC food is shorter action so it helps a bit but not greatly. We managed to push the drop to a bit later in the cycle but there still is.

he used to be flat, do you have any idea why would he have started dropping like this? Can this just go away with time, just like it came?

DB lets him drop just for Chico to be in lower values for longer, i would keep on trying to stop the drop but since im not home, i dont get too much say in it :D when ill go back home i will...

we have a wilder week coming ahead so we are still considering if to increase now or wait a bit longer :(
 
can I ask a stupid question? How do you decide he is in "safe territory"? in other words, How do you know he is not going lower later in the cycle? Could the blu PS be a tiny little bounce?
 
Hercule's mum said:
Ah! He can indeed manage a crisis! sorry I misunderstood.


I increased his dose and will keep him on 9% food.... Lets see if third time is the charm at this dose ;)

With regards to dives.... I so wish I could find some science on it..... Have you found any?
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We know for a fact that he drops every +1 and 1.5. I believe giving him honey at +1 and 1.5 no matter how high he was helped.
 
Hercule's mum said:
can I ask a stupid question? How do you decide he is in "safe territory"? in other words, How do you know he is not going lower later in the cycle? Could the blu PS be a tiny little bounce?
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Most of the time we stop measuring after he starts increasing. Usually by +4 he is already higher than +2. The spot checks later in the cycle confirm it. I intend to do more spot checks later in the cycle, just didnt get my hands on it yet.
 
Hercule's mum said:
can I ask a stupid question? How do you decide he is in "safe territory"? in other words, How do you know he is not going lower later in the cycle? Could the blu PS be a tiny little bounce?
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No such thing as stupid questions. It’s know your cat. When flat without food it’s usually safe to stop testing unless you have a cat that nadirs late. Then I’d set an alarm for around that time. Chico does not appear to be bouncing to me.
 
Marina, I'm trying to think outside the box here a little and am wondering if Chico's GI issues could be a contributing factor to the blue numbers. Ruby's numbers started going slightly lower once we started a regimen of very good human grade probiotics containing as many live bacteria as available. Some also say that the introduction of a small amount of fiber like pumpkin or psyllium husk can lower BGs. Perhaps it's worth considering a little experimenting. :bighug::bighug:
 
PerfumedCatMom said:
Marina, I'm trying to think outside the box here a little and am wondering if Chico's GI issues could be a contributing factor to the blue numbers. Ruby's numbers started going slightly lower once we started a regimen of very good human grade probiotics containing as many live bacteria as available. Some also say that the introduction of a small amount of fiber like pumpkin or psyllium husk can lower BGs. Perhaps it's worth considering a little experimenting. :bighug::bighug:
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Im always glad for any outside the box thoughts, thats the magic of this place :bighug::bighug:
I agree that the blues might be related to GI issues. i think we might be ready to give pumpkin a try, i will read abt it first thing tomorrow
We give him boulardi every day for the past 3 months and the probiotics we were taking ourselves so unfortunately not much space for improvement there :(

i know we made a few steps backward with the duck, it was too fat even though we gave “just” the thighs... Chico loved it though :rolleyes:

we try rabbit now and going back to turkey thighs as these seemed to have worked best. Research mode will have to come back on if low fat won’t make him better again
 
Marina & Chico said:
Im always glad for any outside the box thoughts, thats the magic of this place :bighug::bighug:
I agree that the blues might be related to GI issues. i think we might be ready to give pumpkin a try, i will read abt it first thing tomorrow
We give him boulardi every day for the past 3 months and the probiotics we were taking ourselves so unfortunately not much space for improvement there :(

i know we made a few steps backward with the duck, it was too fat even though we gave “just” the thighs... Chico loved it though :rolleyes:

we try rabbit now and going back to turkey thighs as these seemed to have worked best. Research mode will have to come back on if low fat won’t make him better again
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Ruby did not like canned pumpkin at all but was fine when I found a raw freeze dried powder version that I mix with water into her food. Cats seems to do very well on rabbit. I haven't tried it yet because it's nearly impossible to find the boneless kind and when I do it's really expensive. Good luck with it!
 
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