3/22 Noogi - PMPS 86, +1 131, +2 112, +3 68, +4 56, +5 59

Tim & Pookey said:
Look at that PM pre-shot :D beautiful!
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Ooh, is it beautiful Tim?! :D As I just said above it makes me so nervous.
I've had five very active nighttime cycles in a row, and they have all had higher pre-shots. I'm hoping he stays nice and steady.

It really does reassure me when I look at Pookey's spreadsheet and those of other nicely regulated kitties with green pre-shot numbers almost every day, surfing safely. Noogi is just not that steady on his surfboard yet! Let's hope the seas are calm this evening.
 
Helen + Noogi said:
Ooh, is it beautiful Tim?! :D As I just said above it makes me so nervous.
I've had five very active nighttime cycles in a row, and they have all had higher pre-shots. I'm hoping he stays nice and steady.

It really does reassure me when I look at Pookey's spreadsheet and those of other nicely regulated kitties with green pre-shot numbers almost every day, surfing safely. Noogi is just not that steady on his surfboard yet! Let's hope the seas are calm this evening.
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Still wondering how you sleep… but look at all the progress you’ve made. That has to be a good feeling and help emotionally with those long nights :)
 
This cycle (4th on this dose) will tell you how he is doing on this dose. The last 3 cycles were the effect of the previous depot.

He's looking really good. I can imagine how tired you must be!

Can you get a test at +1 itself?
 
Bandit's Mom said:
This cycle (4th on this dose) will tell you how he is doing on this dose. The last 3 cycles were the effect of the previous depot.

He's looking really good. I can imagine how tired you must be!

Can you get a test at +1 itself?
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He's up to 131 at +1. Might be because he ate a big supper. He missed the +7 snack I left in his timed feeder while I was out. It's interesting how much less food-obsessed he is now that his numbers are lower... a few weeks ago there is no way he would have missed a snack! Anyway, he ate that snack and then most of his normal supper. Just finished that last of his supper now. Hopefully he'll surf safely. I'll test every hour til +5.

Not only do his numbers look good, he is definitely feeling so much better. Lots of purring! :bighug:
 
Helen + Noogi said:
It's interesting how much less food-obsessed he is now that his numbers are lower... a few weeks ago there is no way he would have missed a snack!
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Yeah, when you want them to eat so that you can feed the curve, they will turn their nose up at food. And want to eat all the time in higher numbers!

Helen + Noogi said:
Not only do his numbers look good, he is definitely feeling so much better. Lots of purring!
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Yeah, it's so good to see them feel and act like their "old selves"! :-)
 
Look at him go! And that PMPS number... *chef's kiss*!! I'm so glad he is feeling better and purring more.

Hopefully that increase to 131 @ +1 means he'll continue to rise until +2ish, when the insulin kicks in, and that then his nadir won't be too low. Steady and flat, Noogi! Hang in there Helen; he's doing so well. I hope 2.25 is THE dose. Jude and I have our paws and fingers crossed for you!
 
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Marielle said:
Look at him go! And that PMPS number... *chef's kiss*!! I'm so glad he is feeling better and purring more.

Hopefully that increase to 131 @ +1 means he'll continue to rise until +2ish, when the insulin kicks in, and that then his nadir won't be too low. Steady and flat, Noogi! Hang in there Helen; he's doing so well. I hope 2.25 is THE dose. Jude and I have our paws and fingers crossed for you!
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Thank you so much Mary :bighug::bighug::bighug:
 
Yeah, it's a tricky one. Especially at night.
I can see from Jude's SS that you have been in this situation often

Noogi is now up to 59 at +5. But he could drop again as he may still be a way off from nadir (for him is is sometimes late in the cycle).
At some point (quite soon) I'll want to give him a teaspoon or two of MC or HC so I can get to bed.
I wish he would surf at around 75-100 zone, instead of the 50-75 zone :nailbiting:
 
Marielle said:
This is a scenario I often wonder about (Jude has done this too--as have many others on the forum) and would love to hear someone weigh in on (@Bandit's Mom, @Angela & Cleo). Helen is carb manipulating him to keep him up. Is it better to let him earn a reduction on his own, rather than continue to prop him up with hc/mc food?
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Would love to know this too! Interested to hear what others have to say.

Helen + Noogi said:
Noogi is now up to 59 at +5. But he could drop again as he may still be a way off from nadir (for him is is sometimes late in the cycle).
At some point (quite soon) I'll want to give him a teaspoon or two of MC or HC so I can get to bed.
I wish he would surf at around 75-100 zone, instead of the 50-75 zone :nailbiting:
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I really hope you can get some sleep after a bit more MC for Noogi! :facepalm:
 
Noogi and Xander having some similar-ish cycles, as usual! On the same dose, even. :rolleyes:

Briana + Binx said:
Would love to know this too! Interested to hear what others have to say.
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Thirding this!

Helen + Noogi said:
Yeah, it's a tricky one. Especially at night. I wish he would surf at around 75-100 zone, instead of the 50-75 zone :nailbiting:
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Absolutely this!! Same! It's great to see the progress but it's so exhausting and scary.

I hope he was able to come up a little from his +5 and you were able to get some rest tonight! Stay safe, sweet Noogi! :bighug:
 
Helen + Noogi said:
Noogi is now up to 59 at +5. But he could drop again as he may still be a way off from nadir (for him is is sometimes late in the cycle).
At some point (quite soon) I'll want to give him a teaspoon or two of MC or HC so I can get to bed.
I wish he would surf at around 75-100 zone, instead of the 50-75 zone :nailbiting:
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You want to feed the carbs earlier in the cycle and not wait till +5 or +6 to do so. Feeding carbs later in the cycle can reduce duration and cause numbers to zoom up faster - aggravating bounces. I would have fed some MC/HC at +3 itself when he dived to 68.


Marielle said:
This is a scenario I often wonder about (Jude has done this too--as have many others on the forum) and would love to hear someone weigh in on (@Bandit's Mom, @Angela & Cleo). Helen is carb manipulating him to keep him up. Is it better to let him earn a reduction on his own, rather than continue to prop him up with hc/mc food?
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It is a tricky situation. Bounce clearing cycles have additional downward momentum and reductions earned in such cycles often fail. Which is why it's OK to use a little carbs earlier in the cycle to prevent a drop below 50/reduction. However, with cats who have hit a breakthrough dose and are racing down the dosing ladder, it might be like standing in front of a speeding train. They clearly want to head much lower in dosing. Jude was in that situation in February, where it took larger reductions and/or skips to get the cat safely to the dose it wants to be at. I'm not sure Noogi is in that situation - yet.

@Helen + Noogi, shall we see what he does today (Sunday)? I know you are sleep deprived and exhausted and more importantly, you are back at work tomorrow and cannot monitor as closely. I just don't want to rush reductions and have him get stuck in higher numbers again. Cats that are prone to glucose toxicity can see them as quickly as after a single failed reduction! Maybe all he needs is a little MC at +2 in active cycles to prevent that dive at +3/+4?
 
Bandit's Mom said:
You want to feed the carbs earlier in the cycle and not wait till +5 or +6 to do so. Feeding carbs later in the cycle can reduce duration and cause numbers to zoom up faster - aggravating bounces. I would have fed some MC/HC at +3 itself when he dived to 68.



It is a tricky situation. Bounce clearing cycles have additional downward momentum and reductions earned in such cycles often fail. Which is why it's OK to use a little carbs earlier in the cycle to prevent a drop below 50/reduction. However, with cats who have hit a breakthrough dose and are racing down the dosing ladder, it might be like standing in front of a speeding train. They clearly want to head much lower in dosing. Jude was in that situation in February, where it took larger reductions and/or skips to get the cat safely to the dose it wants to be at. I'm not sure Noogi is in that situation - yet.

@Helen + Noogi, shall we see what he does today (Sunday)? I know you are sleep deprived and exhausted and more importantly, you are back at work tomorrow and cannot monitor as closely. I just don't want to rush reductions and have him get stuck in higher numbers again. Cats that are prone to glucose toxicity can see them as quickly as after a single failed reduction! Maybe all he needs is a little MC at +2 in active cycles to prevent that dive at +3/+4?
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Thanks for explaining, Bhooma!
 
Bandit's Mom said:
You want to feed the carbs earlier in the cycle and not wait till +5 or +6 to do so. Feeding carbs later in the cycle can reduce duration and cause numbers to zoom up faster - aggravating bounces. I would have fed some MC/HC at +3 itself when he dived to 68.



It is a tricky situation. Bounce clearing cycles have additional downward momentum and reductions earned in such cycles often fail. Which is why it's OK to use a little carbs earlier in the cycle to prevent a drop below 50/reduction. However, with cats who have hit a breakthrough dose and are racing down the dosing ladder, it might be like standing in front of a speeding train. They clearly want to head much lower in dosing. Jude was in that situation in February, where it took larger reductions and/or skips to get the cat safely to the dose it wants to be at. I'm not sure Noogi is in that situation - yet.

@Helen + Noogi, shall we see what he does today (Sunday)? I know you are sleep deprived and exhausted and more importantly, you are back at work tomorrow and cannot monitor as closely. I just don't want to rush reductions and have him get stuck in higher numbers again. Cats that are prone to glucose toxicity can see them as quickly as after a single failed reduction! Maybe all he needs is a little MC at +2 in active cycles to prevent that dive at +3/+4?
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This was super-interesting Bhooma. Not only for me but @Marielle @Briana + Binx @Brianna & Xander and maybe others.
I better understand the need to be cautious so as not to reverse all the progress made.
I was also rereading Stickys - often the info only seems to penetrate my brain when the situation is directly relevant to my own kitty at that point! And what stood out to me this time was pancreas healing numbers being the 60 to 100 range. Reminded me that is why we go for greens - to give them the best chance at remission. It makes me feel better about putting in all this time and effort, even with the risks of kitty going too low, me feeling exhausted etc. Who knows if remission is even a possibility for Noogi, but if I keep him in numbers that I am more comfortable with (mid-100s say) his pancreas won't have a chance to try to heal itself. I have to give him that chance!

Anyway, what I did last night was give him a teaspoonful of HC gravy only at HC just so I could sleep easy. I woke up at 3am, did a test, and he was safely in a blue.
 
Helen + Noogi said:
Anyway, what I did last night was give him a teaspoonful of HC gravy only at HC just so I could sleep easy. I woke up at 3am, did a test, and he was safely in a blue.
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That's fine. Sometimes you do need to use carbs to flatten the curve. Next time, try feeding it earlier in the cycle :-)
 
Bandit's Mom said:
You want to feed the carbs earlier in the cycle and not wait till +5 or +6 to do so. Feeding carbs later in the cycle can reduce duration and cause numbers to zoom up faster - aggravating bounces. I would have fed some MC/HC at +3 itself when he dived to 68.

It is a tricky situation. Bounce clearing cycles have additional downward momentum and reductions earned in such cycles often fail. Which is why it's OK to use a little carbs earlier in the cycle to prevent a drop below 50/reduction. However, with cats who have hit a breakthrough dose and are racing down the dosing ladder, it might be like standing in front of a speeding train. They clearly want to head much lower in dosing. Jude was in that situation in February, where it took larger reductions and/or skips to get the cat safely to the dose it wants to be at. I'm not sure Noogi is in that situation - yet.

@Helen + Noogi, shall we see what he does today (Sunday)? I know you are sleep deprived and exhausted and more importantly, you are back at work tomorrow and cannot monitor as closely. I just don't want to rush reductions and have him get stuck in higher numbers again. Cats that are prone to glucose toxicity can see them as quickly as after a single failed reduction! Maybe all he needs is a little MC at +2 in active cycles to prevent that dive at +3/+4?
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Thanks, Bhooma! Very helpful.
 
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