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Katherine&Ruby

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Yesterday on Ruby’s Got Her Groove Back. :cat:

tiffmaxee said:
Once the vet stress and kibble are out of her system she will be back right where you want her.
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You were right, Elise! Looks like Rubes is back on track already after starting near 300 yesterday morning. I will freak out a lot less if and when this happens again, and I won’t be so passive about letting the vets feed her junk in the hospital. Any wet food would have been better than kibble, especially for a diabetic! The IM even called DM “diabetic” food when it’s actually labeled “dietetic”. In my last conversation with her she warned me of the pitfalls of raw feeding (bacteria, not balanced) after I mistakenly thought she was supportive of it and gave me the name of a veterinary nutritionist at Red Bank to consult. :eek:
 
PerfumedCatMom said:
Yesterday on Ruby’s Got Her Groove Back. :cat:


You were right, Elise! Looks like Rubes is back on track already after starting near 300 yesterday morning. I will freak out a lot less if and when this happens again, and I won’t be so passive about letting the vets feed her junk in the hospital. Any wet food would have been better than kibble, especially for a diabetic! The IM even called DM “diabetic” food when it’s actually labeled “dietetic”. In my last conversation with her she warned me of the pitfalls of raw feeding (bacteria, not balanced) after I mistakenly thought she was supportive of it and gave me the name of a veterinary nutritionist at Red Bank to consult. :eek:
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I volunteered with wildlife most of my life. We always fed raw food. We would freeze it for 24 hours before using when possible. This kills most bacteria. We never had any problems. This goes for people meat as well. It is better to freeze at least overnight. So much for these restaurants that advertise fresh, never frozen.
 
Ohh, so nice to see Ruby back on track :cat: What a rollercoaster you had last few days, i can only imagine :blackeye: we pray Ruby gets her groove back for good

i can't believe a vet would suggest kibble is better food than raw o_Oo_O the more we read about commercial food the more we are shocked that it passes for so long and nobody challenges it (or better said it is not a huuuge scandal), but even more than this i am shocked that vets are so blindly promoting it... i wonder if this is because of lack of knowledge or intentional o_Oo_O
 
Scdal said:
I volunteered with wildlife most of my life. We always fed raw food. We would freeze it for 24 hours before using when possible. This kills most bacteria. We never had any problems. This goes for people meat as well. It is better to freeze at least overnight. So much for these restaurants that advertise fresh, never frozen.
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There are very very few reported cases of pets getting sick from raw food. This is propaganda, the result of the intense lobbying power of the pet food industry. That being said, I think freezing only kills some bacteria. Freezing generally delays the propagation of bacteria (sort of like you can freeze a lab specimen, and then thaw to reanimate it to use for testing), but once you defrost it the bacteria can come alive again. Cat stomachs are much more acidic than human stomachs and they can tolerate much higher levels of salmonella that is then shed in their poops. I'm careful when cleaning the litter box and disinfect all surfaces, dishes, utensils that may have come in contact with the raw meats. One of the purveyors from whom I buy frozen meat for pets tests batches of their food weekly for contamination. It is shipped to me in two days and arrives frozen. I have zero concerns about it.

Marina & Chico said:
i can't believe a vet would suggest kibble is better food than raw o_Oo_O the more we read about commercial food the more we are shocked that it passes for so long and nobody challenges it (or better said it is not a huuuge scandal), but even more than this i am shocked that vets are so blindly promoting it... i wonder if this is because of lack of knowledge or intentional o_Oo_O
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The IM prefaced her comments with "I am not a nutritionist so I cannot advise you on what to feed Ruby BUT...". Essentially she was trying to pin Ruby's flare on her diet, which I think is absurd. I don't know how much of this is unintentional or willful ignorance, but it surprises me that at a not-for-profit, teaching hospital where Ruby stayed, they do not have more progressive thinking about nutrition. The other hospital that Ruby stayed at last year is part of a corporate chain owned by the world's largest pet food manufacturer, so I understood why they would promote prescription foods.
 
WOW, nice work. Your s/s is lovely! Great to see the data reflect what we all think, that the vet stay (and kibble) impact the BG. Obviously a blip for Rubes! You must be feeling so relieved.

When Minnie was in hospital I gave them a few cans - I said it was because she was picky, but also figured it might deter them giving her whatever it was they were using. Very frustrating to have no control at all, but they did use some of my cans so worth thinking about next time. I think usually they just feed on autopilot (?)

Something interesting from the cat sitter - we were talking about prescription food. She works at a clinic and said she has a background in pet nutrition - she said when she started working there and they were using prescription food, she started teaching them about all the poor ingredients (cellulose for fiber) and they were all really happy to be educated. First I'd heard of that in personal experience - when I mention to all my other vets it just seems like it's more than they want to think about. They don't try to discourage me from my OTC food but aren't really interested, either.

Anyway...so glad to see this improvement, in her physical health and correspondingly your mental health. And the hospital stay let you have a nice dinner out! Did you ever get a Guinness and/or baked goods? (I have visions of carb-heavy bagels again)
 
PMPS = 78. I was topping Ruby’s meals with MC to entice her but stopped it after her AM +3 meal and she’s eating up a storm. Yay.

Liz & Minnie said:
WOW, nice work. Your s/s is lovely! Great to see the data reflect what we all think, that the vet stay (and kibble) impact the BG. Obviously a blip for Rubes! You must be feeling so relieved.

When Minnie was in hospital I gave them a few cans - I said it was because she was picky, but also figured it might deter them giving her whatever it was they were using. Very frustrating to have no control at all, but they did use some of my cans so worth thinking about next time. I think usually they just feed on autopilot (?)

Something interesting from the cat sitter - we were talking about prescription food. She works at a clinic and said she has a background in pet nutrition - she said when she started working there and they were using prescription food, she started teaching them about all the poor ingredients (cellulose for fiber) and they were all really happy to be educated. First I'd heard of that in personal experience - when I mention to all my other vets it just seems like it's more than they want to think about. They don't try to discourage me from my OTC food but aren't really interested, either.

Anyway...so glad to see this improvement, in her physical health and correspondingly your mental health. And the hospital stay let you have a nice dinner out! Did you ever get a Guinness and/or baked goods? (I have visions of carb-heavy bagels again)
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Trouble with the food is that I didn’t plan to admit her or else I would have brought some Weruva with me on Friday. I talked to the ER vet then about what they had that she could eat and they said they would feed her wet food. When I got a call on Saturday, they said she was eating kibble and I was relieved that she was eating anything at all. Live and learn.

I did try to extol the virtues of raw feeding to the IM by telling her how much Ruby loved it and how her energy and coat improved since the change but she wasn’t that interested. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

I did not have a Guinness, but did have some nice wine that night. And this might sound blasphemous coming from a native New Yorker, but I prefer bagels from Montreal! I get them shipped from St Viateur from Goldbelly whenever I need a fix.
 
Ruby is a rock star! :D:D:D

Neko's IM actually did think raw was good for her, I am going to use that quote from him whenever I see any other vet that doesn't agree. Needless to say, I chose my current vet based partly on their belief it in as a good diet. Now if only the cat agreed all the time. :banghead:
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Ruby is a rock star! :D:D:D

Neko's IM actually did think raw was good for her, I am going to use that quote from him whenever I see any other vet that doesn't agree. Needless to say, I chose my current vet based partly on their belief it in as a good diet. Now if only the cat agreed all the time. :banghead:
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You were right, Wendy, about the high numbers making her feel badly when she got home on Sunday. She was glassy eyed, listless, hiding, and very thirsty. She was probably also exhausted from being in a cage for two days and constantly poked and prodded. I think after getting a good night's sleep at home and getting some supportive meds she has really returned to her old sweet self. Good eating, no more drinking from the water bowl.

I'm starting to wonder if vets who support raw feeding are unicorns. I did try to hold my tongue and told the IM initially that she was on a homemade diet, and then she pressed me for details so I let it spill that it's raw. What I should have added is that it's an AAFCO approved balanced homemade diet, as she didn't seem to be familiar with EZ Complete or Alnutrin. Again, live and learn!
 
PerfumedCatMom said:
I'm starting to wonder if vets who support raw feeding are unicorns.
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The IM vet was trained in Europe and from there, so different training maybe? The local vet practice I go to, both vets are in favour of raw. But they also to more than just western based vet medicine, such as traditional Chinese meds, acupuncture, chiro, etc. And they have a long waiting list to become clients.
 
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