? 8/10 Milo *HELP - He is dropping too low again!* PMPS 274 +2 271 +5 99 +6 77 +6.5 111

Milo is at AMPS 150. Should I still shoot 1.75 units at this number?

Yesterday's condo copied below:

http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...-75-reduction-shot-2-319.142372/#post-1473169

 

Do you have a supply of strips, high carb, and can you be around to monitor?

 

yesterday's condo

 

Yes!

 

Sorry thanks for posting this!

 

There's a very good chance that this is a dropping number. All that means is that you will need to monitor closely if you feel OK about shooting. You will need to get at least a +1 and +2 (and it's OK to get additional tests) and then decide how much you'll need to monitor after the +2.

Remember, you're going to be feeding which typically raises numbers and it takes a little while for Lantus onset to begin. I'm at work and won't be able to hang around to keep an eye on you. If you need or want more eyes on your condo, keep the "Help" in the subject line.

 

I can stay on..

 

Hi! Thank you so much! I plan on shooting and watching him like a hawk! He gave us a scare Saturday night when he dropped to 59 and I got him through, so I know what to do.

I do know that if the +1 or +2 is LOWER than the pre-shot that he is dropping and will drop more and I need to monitor him!

Thanks so much!

 

Thank you! I will be shooting in 5 minutes.

 

Understood, will stay as long as you want me..

 

as long as you have supplies and can test throughout today, I'd shoot the 1.75

Get a +1 and +2 to see how he's doing

 

You are wonderful thank you!

 

I shot, have my supplies all ready to go just in case!

 

Danielle how are you holding up this am??? you will be successful with this I have faith in you!

 

I am pretty confident and have my "emergency kit" all ready on the counter in case something happens. The other day when he was at 59 he showed NO symptoms of hypoglycemia at all but I still overloaded him with high carb food and syrup. I am better prepared this time around and will only give him 1 teaspoon at a time of just the gravy from the HC food. I got this!!! Thanks for having faith in me! I will be getting a +1.

 

Hugs I remember my first hypo.. Magellan did not show symptoms either and I was sooo scared. Better a few days high the 30 min too low.. if you understand my drift.. least that is my opinion.

 

I completely agree!!!! I catch your drift

 

Milo's +1 was 135 so this tells me he may continue to drop and I will be getting a +2.

Any ideas? Suggestions? Advice?

 

Not a bad drop...the +2 shot I find tends to give me the clearest idea of how far Magellan is going to drop. But Ecid I agree that odds are he will continue to drop but at least he is not cliff diving!

 

Do you have any idea of when Milo's naidar is??

 

No, I have no idea. He is all over the place if you look at his SS you will see what I am saying.

 

This is the trend he took Saturday night with his +1 at 109 and then +2 at 107 and then he cliff dived!

 

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Then I will stay with you..ok.. breath we will get through this ok?

 

If I had to guess... I would say either +5 or,+6 depending on his mood and anything else.

 

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So far so good, I am calm! Milo is bouncing off the walls! LOL

 

I plan on not feeding him until his afternoon small meal at 1:30, which is 6 hours after insulin.

 

You did not feed after shooting???!!>>

 

That is good that he is bouncing off the walls...

 

I'd strongly suggest re-thinking this. It's probably better to feed before nadir than at nadir. Feeding before can help to prop up the numbers. In addition, there are times when numbers are dropping and a snack of LC can encourage the flattening of the curve and surfing. Many of us use food to manipulate the curve. It's a more advanced technique and I don't want to overwhelm you with information but the bottom line is to not get locked into a way a thinking especially if you can't identify when Lantus onset and nadir fall.

 

Thank you Sienne

 

I fed him before I shot the insulin. He had 3/4 of a can

 

Sorry but I am not sure I am following what you are saying? I did the AMPS and then fed him 3/4 a can of FF and then shot the insulin and he has not had any food after his morning meal. I was told that I need to feed before giving insulin.

 

Thank goodness I misunderstood and go scared ...Not criticizing just kinda freaked a bit ok??

 

Oh ya... you feed at the shoot time other wise it can hit the cat too hard.

 

I am totally confused at this point as to what you are all saying about feeding. I ALWAYS test, feed, shoot.

 

Rethinking what????

 

I was told test, shoot then feed if using a hard insulin you feed before the shoot..

 

He is on lantus. I am sticking to my test feed shoot

 

Breath luv then you did right..it was a miscommunication/understanding

 

okay good! Phew!

 

10 minutes till his +2

 

HELP!!!!!!!!!! +2 IS AT 62 WHAT SHOULD I DO?????????????

 

First BREATH then get a high carb treat out and off it to him

 

then in 30 min retest

 

I JUST GAVE HIM 1 TEASPOON OF GRAVY AND HE SCARFED IT DOWN!

 

I would retest in about 20 minutes, just to be sure that gravy is kicking in. Up, Milo, up!!

 

Good very good now you breath... he will pick your fear up so breath

 

20 min.. 30 min close enough

 

I will retest at 9:50 which would be 20 minutes since 1 tsp of gravy

 

You are doing a great job Danielle... you really are

 

Is it ok to call you Dani??

 

Thank you so much! I am trying. I hope the gravy helps

 

sure!

 

Your more than welcome.. and it will.. both of you will get through this.. BELIEVE IT

 

I wonder how many more times he has to drop this low. I fear that one day I may not be here to test as often.

 

When a kitty is low and/or dropping quickly, 10 minutes can make a big difference. It's always better to exercise caution! Once we see the gravy is kicking in, then stretching tests out to 30 minutes or so will be fine.

 

When Magellan clif dives I use temptation treats... 1 or 2 work real well for him

 

Ok I stand corrected and bow to your experience

 

I agree with you! I will test 20 minutes ALWAYS after a low number and after feeding a HC treat. At least this time I did not overload him with HC like I did Saturday night. I measured it out this time!

 

I do have Party Mix treats

 

8 minutes till test time, it is amazing how calm I am!!!!!

 

I find it does not fill them up.. but I give only 1 or at most 2 treats of high carb treats

 

Huggles...this will get easier I promise welcome to the sugar dance.

 

That's experience talking - you're doing great !

 

MILO IS AT 70. NOW WHAT?????

 

Thank you!

 

It came up... that is good now try the high carb treats.. and test again in 20

 

That's great, but I think we want him up a tad more than that, basically because he's proven that he can really work this juice! I would give him another teaspoon of gravy, and now you are probably good to test in 30 minutes rather than 20 minutes. (Or, as Julie Rae said, 20 minutes if you prefer!! Never hurts to test early!!)

 

better safe than sorry

 

Another tsp of gravy INAHLED!!! He had gravy all over his sweet little face! I will retest in 20 minutes at 10:20.

Thank you all!!!!!!!!! I got this!!!!!! I am totally calm!!!!!!! I know anything below 50 is scary and he hasn't been 50 and below yet! So I am catching this all early!

 

Now he is washing the gravy down with some fresh water that his momma gave him!

 

Hugs this is good your doing wonderful both you and Milo Dani...I am proud of you!

 

Yup...and this is why home testing is so important that I will shout it from the roof tops! Awesome work today, Danielle!!

 

QUOTE="Julia Rae, post: 1473484, member: 12873"]Hugs this is good your doing wonderful both you and Milo Dani...I am proud of you![/QUOTE]
Thank you so much! Hugs back!

 

I am confident that second tsp of gravy will pull him up. I will test in 19 minutes and if higher than 70 I will test 30 minutes after that and then again if higher I will grab another 30 minutes test to make sure the HC is not wearing off. I will have a total of 3 more BG tests in 1 hour 1/2.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR HELP!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

 

Just so you all know (I wish I could post a picture of this) Milo is ON MY LAP thanking me for the gravy!!!!!!!!! LOL

 

Good, very good I would advise a bit of his normal food so that he does not get any funny idea's as the gravy wears off.

 

When should I feed him that? I had been feeding 3 times a day and the afternoon feeding was 6 hours after AM insulin.

 

Magellan loves his gravy too..You are doing wonderful with this... we will make a pro out of you yet!

 

a snack of his normal food...

 

any time luv.... it will help stabilize his sugars ok??

 

I agree with Julie Rae - after this last round, you should be good to give Milo his regular food to encourage the surf. Of course if he drops below 68 again, then out with the gravy. but otherwise we don't want to overcarb him.

As for the timing...let's see where he is after the next reading.

 

Yup I will see where his 20 minute reading is at.

 

12 minutes till 20 minute reading after second tsp of HC gravy

 

doing good Dani.. keep it up!

 

Milo's +3 (well really 20 minutes) is up to 79!!!

I gave him 1/2 can FF of his regular food.

When should I test again?

 

I would say another 30 min to make sure he keeps going up.

 

Excellent. Now surf it, Milo!

 

I will test at 11:00am

 

He is doing so good! He would eat more food if I let him!

 

That rock, though nothing like the way your rocking it to day Dani!

 

Thank you!

 

Little does Milo know, I am taking him to get a second opinion tonight by taking him to a Cat Only Clinic. They are very experienced there and I don't like my other vet's plan for his diabetes. SO I know Milo will be stressed tonight but it is for his own good. They are going to do an exam on him and check for ketones since he was at trace the last time I took him to his other vet. I am hoping they are negative by now!

 

It will be interesting to hear what this new vetty has to say. We do find here that many vets - even cat-only vets - really aren't that well-versed in FD, and they not only don't encourage testing, a lot of them actually discourage testing! It's crazy. But every once in a while a vetty surprises us....hopefully this new vet will be one of those surprises!

 

Hugs.. second opinions are always a good thing, you might offer him some catnip or try felaway the stuff used for cat stress, it works for Magellan. There is also natures miracle, just for cats calming spray too.

 

What a roller coaster of a day. Been watching and keeping fingers crossed. Hopefully, the day will calm down now