? 9/9 Gussie bounce? Too soon reduction? PMPS 108,+2 132,3.5 140, +5 139

whoaaaa what a day for you!!
no such thing as too much HC at 25!

 

Yeah, those nice numbers were carb-tainted!

 

I do think that was a wonky strip but his physical symptoms were matching a hypo according to folks here. He was really out of it and not himself at all
ETA: And that was before he threw that 25

 

Sorry this thread is so long, was an eventful day! Gussie may have been at 25 and hypo today based on the test and his behavior. He has earned the reduction to .1 u starting tonight correct? Anything out of the norm I should watch for shooting tonight? Hoping if he's done with juice that he lets me know this weekend as I have IEP meetings and assessments that will mKe it really hard to stay home if I need to for him next week!
Thanks,
Les

 

Oh Les Just catching up here What a day you had Gussie is so handsome Love the pics I hope you are on at least your 2nd glass of wine by this time

 

Aw thank you, you know I kept asking this morning because I had this strong feeling that he was tired of this dose! He was waaay too flat, normally he has a gentle mini curve..he's still fluctuating, coming down off the HC high. Figure I'd better ask for help early!

 

No wine till I know how to dose.1 u!

 

Practice with colored water. Count tge drops in .25. Tgen try drawing up .1 and practice until consistent. At least that's what I would do. Wish I got the chance to try.

 

Aw thank you

 

Hoping it's ok to shoot tonight and that we don't repeat today, not sure I can get him to eat given how hard it was today, he really wasn't into food at all which was different than the times before, as was his behavior

 

Looks like he'll be ok to shoot as the sugar and carbs should have worn off by now but I'd be testing at +11 or + 11.5 to get a heads up.

 

Ok thanks! He is at 110 now, at + 10. Will still get the remaining hourly tests in. Been practicing trying to draw .1u, that is one drop right?

 

It's probably a little more than 1 drop. Suggestion - draw a dose of your .25 and what you think is .1 (use water) and expel both onto a piece of white toilet paper or paper towel or something and evaluate the difference in the size of the two that way.

 

@Woodsywife , Eliots mum I think said you gave her the tip that worked for drawing a .1 u dose? Could you share it with me? Gussie earned his reduction today so we're looking to shoot that

ok I think I can do that..

 

Well I have been trying to get consistent, failing miserably...

 

I don't get discouraged easily but this is accomplishing that for me...

 

I think you can draw up .25 and then eject the number of drops that would get you down to .1 (based on the number of drops in .25). Or if you were me, you'd draw up .5 since that's easier, and then release enough drops to get to .1. Don't know if that helps.

 

Thanks, will go back to practicing, the drops I eject don't seem uniform at all. I am really beyond frustrated...thanks

 

He will get whatever it ends up being tonight I guess

 

I haven't tried it myself--measuring less than 0.5 is still a problem I'm working on getting to
Best of luck!

 

I am almost at the point of not shooting, it's so frustrating at this point, I have destroyed 15 syringes now trying..I'm basically done with this...

 

Thank you tho,forgot to say that...

 

I'd rather not shoot than get whatever he is getting inconsistent, some shots a drop, some none at all...that's how my practice syringes are doing.

 

I don't know much bout this except that it really does seem like a hit and miss affair at best. I think you have a touch of perfectionism in you, which usually serves you well. This may not be one of those times. Instead of doing your best, why not do someone else's best, and then , as grammy used to say, "let the devil take the hindermost."

By the way, Gussie is a handsome red guy. Looks a bit like my Mikey.

 

I'm just trying to decide which is better screwing up his dose more times than not and having no clue what he actually got or skipping insulin all together.

 

Right now skipping all together is winning I'm so disgusted with this
Eta and I am not normally a quitter

 

Are you practicing with water or lantus? I'd use 1 syringe over and over again to do a lot of water practice.

 

You know I don't even know if he actually earned a reduction or not for that matter. If that 25 was a fluke he may not gave just by going into 50s. So I have no clue what I'm supposed to shoot either. Wine and bed is looking like the better plan

 

I was using saline in a vial. And 24 syringes, the needles end upmbending

 

I don't have advise, just want to offer lots of hugs....

 

I know it is hard to get even drops. As Red just asked if using water you shouldn't need new syringes to practice.

 

Thanks, I'm ready to call this a wash

 

The needles keep bending

 

That 25 reading does not fit with the other readings. And the fact that Gus came up so quick from the "25" makes me wonder if the reading was bad or a bad strip. My thought on this

 

I know it has to be possible because people do it here all the time, I'm just not able to and that is beyond frustrating today

 

Got it. Darn. What about not worrying about the size if the drops ? Count how many in .25 several times and the get a dose that is less than half?

Take a break.

 

I think it was a wonky strip but his affect was fitting with a hypo right before and during tat time interval

 

Deep breaths and a quick walk round the block to clear your mind - you can do this!

 

I did that, it was between 3 and 2 drops depending on the syringe. I can't even see a space on the calipers! I'm really torn on how to be consistent if that's more important...

 

If you saw the symptoms then it is safest to go on the assumption that Gus was hitting hypo numbers.

 

Beats breaking something cuz is just have to spend money to fix it...tho that is my inclination right about now..you all just think I'm nice!

 

So try 2 drops. I wouldn't worry about whether or not the 25 was a wonky strip. I would want to reduce to play it safe.

 

Lol, we all have our moments.

 

Ok the consensus was he was doing something that looked like it could be, he didn't even respond to the meter beep and he always resonds to that, and to my walking into the house, nothing, no interest in food, groggy, looked high as in stoned off his gourd and immobile from it..

 

If you are worried in my opinion there is nothing wrong with skipping tonight and draining the depot.

 

Ok I will try for 2 drops, holding my breath all the while...
And thanks!
Ok using actual Lantus and turning the plunger around once from .25 I can get a drop and a half..

 

Just don't start throwing bent needles at total strangers on your walk.

Have no clue about small dosing, but do have an idea. How much insulin does a cat get if you insert a needle into the vial and then inject the cat with an empty needle. Surely, the outside of the needle is wet and the cat would get a minuscule amount.

Also, I remember other posts of beans getting lantus into the needle, gently squirting the contents out, then injecting the cat and pushing hard on the plunger.

 

It sounds like you either need to skip to drain the depot or take the reduction. With the symptoms Gussie was having you need to do the safe thing.

The way I measured 0.1 was to just hold the syringe in while I inserted it into the Lantus and then let go so the pressure sucked one drop back in. I couldn't tell there was any insulin in the syringe, but I pushed the syringe in and a drop came out. I just took it on faith that I was really getting a drop each time.

 

One dose that can be even less than .1 is done by pushing the plunger in HARD, insert into the insulin and just "let go"....the vacuum in the syringe will pull up a tiny amount into the needle

 

Ok that also sounds worth a try
Ok I can get a consistent drop that way. I will shoot this hopefully needed reduction tonite using this method..thank you so much

 

Will that give him enough?

 

@Bobbie And Bubba shot 0.1 unit in Bubba for awhile - maybe she can offer tips

 

I just did a bunch of his .25 using the calipers, 1.5 drops seem the norm

 

Sure hope so! It's time to feed and shoot...

 

Even if it is not "enough" it will be more than a skipped shot.

 

Not enough may be better because he's still dropping from the Honey and HZc today

 

Well o have no clue what I just shot so hope it is right. It was less than .25 somewhere on the scale

 

So frazzled now I don't even remember how I measured...

 

And ants found all the honey on the bed argh

 

Naaaaa. you're basically nice, but I bet you have a mean streak just like the rest of us. How bout breaking something you've always hated, but keep because someone gave it to you (you're polite), or because you "paid the danged money for it", so you refuse to either use it or throw it out.

 

eeeeeeeeeeeeuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu
ugh yuk crunch them.

 

When I was doing .1 dose I had the plunger almost all the way up to the zero line.

 

lol
and let the devil take the hindermost!

 

Hahaha great idea!

 

I do believe you need a "medicinal" glass of wine and some chocolate to keep YOUR blood sugars up. Fingers crossed for an uneventful evening.

 

Thank you everybody for helping me keep perspective..
Truly appreciated as was the humor which came in at a very good time! The tips and suggestions, all gratefully acknowledged here...I think I ended up doing some sort of combo with elements of them all...thank you!

 

Good advice, humour AND wine and chocolate always make a bad situation look better

 

I think you earned this!

 

Aww you so nice!
Personally my mom would have said I earned a much needed attitude adjustment but .....
Thank you Elise!

 

Been in the kitchen working on trying to get a feel for what that dose looks like and feels like to draw...

 

Give yourself a rest. Or a partial break by taking aim at the ants with the syringe.

 

Haha boy would that be satisfying!

 

Red that is priceless!!

 

Question: +3.5 = 140
Is this a bounce? Or does it look like he probably didn't need the reduction?

 

Holy cow! What a day. I've just skimmed your condo but my head's spinning, too. Good work mamabean. Good work!

I think you had to take the reduction. And I think the Gusbuster may be bouncing, especially if he did drop into hypo land. Whew. I've got a little shake going to just thinking about it!

Besides, if the reduction doesn't hold, and we don't know that now, you can always go back up. You guys were so close to the "normal" numbers rule for reduction, that I'm thinking this dose will stick once Gussie settles into it. My thoughts.

Whew. Just whew!

Marilyn

I use calipers for .10 and even then it's pretty much a guessing game. I'm sure there are empty shots from time to time.

 

Hi Marilyn, thank you for your kind and helpful words! I'm hoping that I didn't take the reduction too early. The 25 seemed quite a wonky read but I've learned to get a second test if that happens again. Even if it wasn't he was going down into the 50's . So he may have earned a reduction staying down there? I am hoping that he does not hang out in blue numbers very long as he was walking much better and feeling good this morning, even using his toys in the other room. I can't even see the space on the calipers!

 

I know. And then I can't see if there's any insulin or I've got a bubble burst. It really is a guessing game. Magnification and a dedicated direction lamp help.

 

Thanks! I will try the headlamp! Had not even thought of that! Thank you

 

Thanks! I will try the headlamp! Had not even thought of that! Thank you

 

Headed to bed, don't think these numbers are going anywhere!thanks all.

 

Wow, looks like Gussie and you had quite the day! Glad all is well.

When I had to do the .1 dose on Syko (I only had to do it a couple times, but I practiced a lotttt), I just tried to not worry too much about getting it perfect. I found it was much easier to just draw up way more than needed, remove from vial, get bubbles out and squirt out the extra. Less bent needles that way. I think I drew up 3 units to make sure I got all of those teeny tiny bubbles out. I would kinda push it up to the .25, then slowly push out another little drop until it looked okay. I held it up to the light, so I could get it looking like the reference picture. I went through a few needles just because of those darn bubbles, and it was always stressful with those tiny doses to know if I did it right, but I guess it worked out. Not very scientific, I know. Just don't stress about it or it'll drive you crazy. Hakuna matata

Hope you have a good sleep, you deserve it!