? 06/16 - Small Kitty amps 481 - pmps 425 +6 268 +7 322 / in between best feeding time ?

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Good morning,

Like SL, Small Kitty went his own way last night and decided to jump over the sense
and go out in the ''wild''. I knew right this morning when there was only one meowing
tone that he was gone. The land owner didn't like my cat fence setup for catio. It was
just a test with no door to get out and he said if he had to go out he would ''destroy''.
This was reported by a neighbor that is a good ''emplificator''. Anyhow, I removed the large
net and only kept the 5 feet fence. Guess what ? Small Kitty has paid himself a ride in
the neighborhood for the entire night. At least he came back on time for his shot but the cat
trap is shot closed for now.

Like my SS says, there is an auto feeder setup to give food during the day and night,
it's now set at +3 and +6. Also to be noted on the SS is the lower SL after Small Kitty
is done with eating it. This sounds against all logic, with more food in the blood the SL should be higher but no, it falled by 200 mml. Dont understand..

My question is about timing, could there be a better time to spread out insulin effect
or system motivation so the SL level stays in yellow for most of the time.

Small Kitty has gained his ideal weight now, by looking at it so I think a food quantity
reduction is needed. Both my cats have 1 3oz can at amps, haft a can during the day
and another 3oz can at pmps. Big Brother is getting bigger with the low carb Fancy Feast.

Would it be hard to find the best quantity and feeding time to hope getting an improvement.
At night an during midcycle there is a big improvement. Would be nice to keep this all day
long

Thanks to those who had the time to read all this.

Have a good day

Sébastien



http://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/...92-low-carb-hihg-ph-food.159574/#post-1703062

 

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PMPS is pretty good today, for Small Kitty. Hope it's a new tendency

Any opinion on feeding time between pmps and amps ? Is +3 and +6 optimal ?
Could pushing it forward help ?

Have a good evening all.

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

If you are doing a curve this weekend I might suggest holding off on the feedings and seeing how the numbers are. Of course he would get his regular feeding with the shot, but then wait and see what kind of numbers you get without doing "planned" feedings. It may be that SK may only need one feeding in between shots...depending on how his numbers go.


ETA I might suggest a PS +3 +6 and +9 tomorrow and see what sort of numbers you get.

 

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If you are doing a curve this weekend I might suggest holding off on the feedings and seeing how the numbers are. Of course he would get his regular feeding with the shot, but then wait and see what kind of numbers you get without doing "planned" feedings. It may be that SK may only need one feeding in between shots...depending on how his numbers go.


ETA I might suggest a PS +3 +6 and +9 tomorrow and see what sort of numbers you get.

Thanks for your reply Mary Ann. By holding "planned feedings'' do you mean stopping the usual +3 and +6 quarter FF can
currently setup or holding any change to current feeding plan ? My guess is to go with amps and pmps only not to scramble numbers.

But what if this feeding schedule has been part of the system routine for almost 14 days. Couldn't this falsify numbers has the
organs are expecting this food ? Don't know, I'm far from being a biologist.

The curve will probably go for Sunday, I haven't touch a camera since the beginning of the summer and have an airshow in
2 weeks, need some warm up + a break. It's going to be full sun and warm tomorrow, first time in weeks

 

[Wendy&Neko]

If he regularly has been getting meals at +3 and +6, I would continue them for the curve tests. You want to test what happens on a "normal" cycle.

It looks like SK drops quite a bit at the beginning of the cycle. Fast drops can also cause bounces. You can slow down the drops with food before the drop. Moving the +3 to +2, before onset, might help. It also looks like SK nadirs earlier in the cycle. You want to not feed after nadir if possible, as that will slow down the insulin action, causing them to zoom up at the end of the cycle. So, you could also move that +6 to +5 and see if that helps. Food experiments take a while to see results, you may have to try those changes for a week or more.

 

[Tuxedo Mom]

Thanks for your reply Mary Ann. By holding "planned feedings'' do you mean stopping the usual +3 and +6 quarter FF can
currently setup or holding any change to current feeding plan ? My guess is to go with amps and pmps only not to scramble numbers.

But what if this feeding schedule has been part of the system routine for almost 14 days. Couldn't this falsify numbers has the
organs are expecting this food ? Don't know, I'm far from being a biologist.

The curve will probably go for Sunday, I haven't touch a camera since the beginning of the summer and have an airshow in
2 weeks, need some warm up + a break. It's going to be full sun and warm tomorrow, first time in weeks

What I am suggesting...it is still up to you..is rather than feeding on a preset time....to see how the numbers go when you do the curve. Some kitties are more carb sensitive even on low carb numbers. Originally when it was suggested that you do preset feedings it was because there was a thought that the numbers may be dropping during the cycle. What I am thinking...your choice in the end...is that rather than just giving food...see how SK's numbers are through the curve. If you need to add some food then you are there to see how Sk responds.

 

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It's true that food can be used as a break to prevent getting too low, but what I would like is to
push pancreas, liver or whatever to be waked-up by food rather then insulin action being
stopped by it. Small Kitty is ''young'' so might not be to late to trigger the system to act as it should.
If a small cick is needed to wake organs up better have food doing it then insulin. Remember
Dr. Lisa ??? saying something like that, that small pushes of meal or better then two big ones.

Tonight sounds it sounds either this strategy or the 2.25 unit dose is, doing a good job. It's pmps
+6 and he's having nidir like numbers (268). I might stay awake for another hour to see if he's
climbing or diving. Pretty sure he's on the rise but who knows.

If he regularly has been getting meals at +3 and +6, I would continue them for the curve tests. You want to test what happens on a "normal" cycle.

It looks like SK drops quite a bit at the beginning of the cycle. Fast drops can also cause bounces. You can slow down the drops with food before the drop. Moving the +3 to +2, before onset, might help. It also looks like SK nadirs earlier in the cycle. You want to not feed after nadir if possible, as that will slow down the insulin action, causing them to zoom up at the end of the cycle. So, you could also move that +6 to +5 and see if that helps. Food experiments take a while to see results, you may have to try those changes for a week or more.

That's well tough, makes full of sens. This is what my understanding was, feed not to kill insulin action
by pushing food too late. Thing is I start to believe, like said below, that food might wake up pancreas
ans stimulate to create ''natural insulin''. Just a dream, doesn't cost anything. The case being, food
is now part of the equation, not an insulin stopper but a stimuli to create natural one.

Would be nice if this was to be the case.

 

[julie & punkin (ga)]

I would do your curve while you are feeding as normal.

I would also move that +6 feeding earlier to +5 instead.

By the way, if you want an abbreviation for blood sugar, we use BG for blood glucose. I think that's what you are referring to when you say SL.