3/21 Doodles AMPS 387 +2 453 +4.5 450 +8 422 PMPS 324 +2 394 +5 399

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Doodles & Karen

Doodles & Karen

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Doodles 3/20 Hoping to get his BW results back today and that it tells me something. He drinks so much water and pees about 8 times a day. Between Furosemide being a diuretic and these high numbers it's expected. He spends a little time out and about but mostly sleeps.

A quick story. Last night I dropped a drinking glass on the tile which shattered and made a huge noise. Within seconds Doodles came running from the bedroom into the kitchen. I told him "mommy's OK, I just dropped it". If I stub my toe, whack my knee on something and just barley say the word "ouch" he appears within seconds.

I bought some plants for outside so my goal is to dig through the Arizona concrete dirt and put them in the ground. I usually wait until it rains to plant but there is no rain in sight :(

Sending vines to all in need.
 
Doodles & Karen said:
A quick story. Last night I dropped a drinking glass on the tile which shattered and made a huge noise. Within seconds Doodles came running from the bedroom into the kitchen. I told him "mommy's OK, I just dropped it". If I stub my toe, whack my knee on something and just barley say the word "ouch" he appears within seconds.
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This is the sweetest story. Obviously, Doodles loves you as much as you love him. Good luck with the BW today and hope you get more information that helps.
:bighug:
 
What a sweet boy to be concerned about his MamaBean like that!! Sending along good BW vines, and hopefully he'll be adjusted to the new meds soon.
 
what a very sweet boy to come running to mama. Do you have to watch his sodium intake as well (as with humans)? I wouldn't imagine cat food would have sodium, but after finding dextrose as an added ingredient in pre-2015 tiki cat gourmet carnivore food, anything seems possible
 
They will be sending me the results via email later today but everything was normal :confused: Kidneys, liver, pancreatic test, WBC, no UTI. She agreed it's the meds and heart issues causing these ridiculous numbers. She indicated that he likely was able to manage it for a while but simply can't anymore without the meds explaining why all of a sudden he became the mystery cat. I'll be picking up R today and she agreed it's the best thing to do right now. She recommended giving R around +6 but I told her he tends to kind of come down later in the cycle when the Lasix starts wearing off. I believe it would be best to give R at shot times.:nailbiting::nailbiting:

@Marje and Gracie - what are your thoughts?
 
Well, on the upside, it's good that all b/w is normal. On the downside, a UTI would have been an easy fix.
Good luck with the R.
 
Doodles & Karen said:
They will be sending me the results via email later today but everything was normal :confused: Kidneys, liver, pancreatic test, WBC, no UTI. She agreed it's the meds and heart issues causing these ridiculous numbers. She indicated that he likely was able to manage it for a while but simply can't anymore without the meds explaining why all of a sudden he became the mystery cat. I'll be picking up R today and she agreed it's the best thing to do right now. She recommended giving R around +6 but I told her he tends to kind of come down later in the cycle when the Lasix starts wearing off. I believe it would be best to give R at shot times.:nailbiting::nailbiting:

@Marje and Gracie - what are your thoughts?
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First, I think you should start during the day. Let me look at his SS today and see what I think. The big thing is for the nadirs to not overlap but it's also helpful if the onsets don't overlap because we don't want him to take a big drop and then bounce.

We will start small so practice pulling up what you think is 0.1u. I could never do it consistently without my calipers but I do know it is more insulin than just pushing the plunger in and letting it draw up a drop. When I did that, I could not see any insulin in the Terumos. If I drew up 0.1u with calipers, I could see it in the syringe.

I'm super happy labs are normal and glad Dr. B is on board with the R.
 
Great news that the blood work came back all normal. He's such a sweet boy to be concerned about mommy. Mine run away from sudden noises. :rolleyes:

Good luck with the R. You might want to get a used syringe and try practicing that 0.1 with some colored liquid to see if you can measure it consistently. For my syringes, it ended up being the amount of insulin that was about 1/2 the height of the plunger. While you are at it, practice 0.25U, cause that'll be the next experiment. You do want to start your R experiment the first couple of times when an experienced R user is around to help.
 
I did some experimenting and .1 is a small drop (no space between the zero line & the plunger) and .25 is a large drop (tiny space between the zero line. He really hasn't had much of a nadir since his mystery started. Before that it was between +4 &+5 but he just so super flat. If R lasts about 4 hours I'm thinking to give it at +1? It's those spikes from the Lasix at the beginning of his cycle. It starts working immediately with the injection and wears off which is why I've seen his "nadir" more between +6 & 8 and sometimes it is at preshot. Ugh...seriously I have a headache.
 
Shoeskitty said:
What is the "R"?
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Novolin R is an in out insulin that is going to be used as an adjunct with Lantus. The R can pull numbers down by around 50 points, don't want to do more than that or bouncing will occur. Then the Lantus has sometime to grab onto . Bubba used it in early December and it was paramount in getting him out of the flat yellows that he was stuck in.
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Novolin R is an in out insulin that is going to be used as an adjunct with Lantus. The R can pull numbers down by around 50 points, don't want to do more than that or bouncing will occur. Then the Lantus has sometime to grab onto . Bubba used it in early December and it was paramount in getting him out of the flat yellows that he was stuck in.
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Thank you!
 
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Doodles & Karen said:
They will be sending me the results via email later today but everything was normal :confused: Kidneys, liver, pancreatic test, WBC, no UTI. She agreed it's the meds and heart issues causing these ridiculous numbers. She indicated that he likely was able to manage it for a while but simply can't anymore without the meds explaining why all of a sudden he became the mystery cat. I'll be picking up R today and she agreed it's the best thing to do right now. She recommended giving R around +6 but I told her he tends to kind of come down later in the cycle when the Lasix starts wearing off. I believe it would be best to give R at shot times.:nailbiting::nailbiting:

@Marje and Gracie - what are your thoughts?
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The very best of luck to you when you start on the R and I hope that Doodles gets the same great result that Bubba got. Fingers and Paws crossed for y'all :bighug::bighug: :bighug:
 
Bobbie And Bubba said:
Novolin R is an in out insulin that is going to be used as an adjunct with Lantus. The R can pull numbers down by around 50 points, don't want to do more than that or bouncing will occur. Then the Lantus has sometime to grab onto . Bubba used it in early December and it was paramount in getting him out of the flat yellows that he was stuck in.
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* I just want to also add that it is used with supervision with peeps experienced in using it and used in very small amounts. If misused it can make the numbers higher.
 
Wendy&Neko said:
Although R typically lasts 4 hours, it doesn't onset right away. In most kitties not named Neko, it onsets around +2 and lasts for a couple of hours. That means that the numbers may continue to go up for a couple of hours after the R shot.
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He dropped 100 pts between +8 & PMPS and I gave him a snack of Ziwi @ +8:confused: I also increased him last night to 4.75. I'm thinking of the R at shot time since he seems to highest after the Lasik.
 
Most people start out trialing R at preshot time, unless their L insulin has an early onset. As Marje said above, ideally you don't want the R and L to onset at the same time.
 
I have no experience with R, but want to wish you good success with it. You have some very experienced people here to help you. Doodles, you are a real sweetie to have such concern for your mamabean's wellbeing. Take good care of her!

Hugs, scritches,

Ella & Rusty
 
I'm sorry it's taken me all day to get back but I hadn't seen his SS in a few days and especially not since you increased so I wanted to be prepared but I was working today :eek::eek:

Do you want to start tomorrow morning with 0.1u given at AMPS? He's so flat that I think there is no issue with his onset right now. You'll want to test every hour but you won't always have to do that. Once you get a feel for how he responds to R, you can decide how often to test.
 
I know you probably go to bed early, Karen, so perhaps you'll see this.

If you decide to give R in the morning, be sure you stay at a low dose...0.1u for now. It should be a scruff shot so it has slower absorption. Test every single hour for at least four hours...longer if he's still dropping. I'm no longer an early riser so I won't be around until about 8 our time. I'll ask for some of the other ladies to keep an eye out for you.
 
What time do you shoot and what time zone are you in?

Glad that all the labs came back normal! and what a sweet story about Doodles. He's quite the considerate kitter, checking in on you when there is any action. :)
 
Marje and Gracie said:
If you decide to give R in the morning, be sure you stay at a low dose...0.1u for now. It should be a scruff shot so it has slower absorption. Test every single hour for at least four hours...longer if he's still dropping.
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I usually nap after PM :) and set my alarm so back up for a while. Will go with what I think is .1....less than .25 but more than zero and will test every hour. I just lubed his ear up and luckily can use both if needed.

Marje and Gracie said:
I think she shoots 5:30 or 6ish @julie & punkin (ga)
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He has backed me up so shot time has been 5:15am.
 
Thanks everyone. Unless a miracle happens and I wake up to a blue pre-shot in the morning we'll shot the .1 of R:nailbiting: My poor boy but he really needs some help. :bighug::bighug:
 
Oh I love him, he's your Knight.

I'm glad his b/w came back normal.
Fantastic news!
Good luck with R.
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Hi Karen, i'm around, it's nearly 08.00 am in France. Let me know roughly in how many hours time you might shoot the R as I have to go out some time later today but will fit in with your schedule if I can.
 
suki & crystal said:
Hi Karen, i'm around, it's nearly 08.00 am in France. Let me know roughly in how many hours time you might shoot the R as I have to go out some time later today but will fit in with your schedule if I can.
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I think Karen is asleep, she's in arizona , which is 7hours Behind GMT (not sure if that's right as they have moved to DST) and she shoots at 5- 5.30 which I think between 11-12 central european time:confused:
 
Morning Karen, just noticed you gave the R with your AMPS, I'm here if you need me, just keep testing every hour for at least the next 4 hours, paws crossed you see some good activity.
 
suki & crystal said:
Morning Karen, just noticed you gave the R with your AMPS, I'm here if you need me, just keep testing every hour for at least the next 4 hours, paws crossed you see some good activity.
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You are so very kind, thank you! Hmm, if I used the time zone converter think it's about 1pm in France! I was worried about it being way too late for you.
 
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