9/25 Nelli PMPS 169 +2.5 174

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  1. Krystina & Nelli

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    9/24 condohttp://www.felinediabetes.com/FDMB/threads/9-24-nelli-pmps-157-2-171-4-84-5-87-7-5-91.203640/
    Nelli is having a difficult Time eating clearly because of the dental issues :-(. Her appointment with dentist is not until October 8, I am going to call them this morning and see if maybe the other dentist there could see her before then. Last night she didn’t finish her dinner, not because she didn’t want to eat or wasn’t hungry but because her mouth is really really bothering her. She’s doing that tub tub tub tub tub noisy behavior. This morning it has been an effort to get her to eat. She woke me up licking my hair which means she is hungry :). Hopefully today will be a better day with the numbers at least!
     
  2. Sue and Luci

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    I don't know if someone has already mentioned this - have you tried the blender/food processor and adding water or broth to liquify her food? Just wondering...poor thing...she needs her fuds...but that was a nice start this morning! Good for her for showing you 'she can do it'...!:bighug::bighug:
     
  3. Krystina & Nelli

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    Well a blender did cross my mind… She eats Rad Cat though which is about 70% water and looks like throw up. LMAO!
    I don’t know but I will try it maybe she will slurp it up?
     
  4. carfurby

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    Poor Nelli. I hope you can work something out so she can eat. Sending prayers.
     
  5. Krystina & Nelli

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    Thanks... I watered the rest of her breakfast down some and she ate it :)
     
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    Hope she eats her fuds, sending prayers
     
  7. Krystina & Nelli

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    Nelli tested 58... rechecked was 65. What should I do? Is this cause for a concern?
     
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    Did not realize time! Need to run to Store meet customer for a drop off!
    Back on board in 20 minutes.
    I’m sorry, I would not have sent previous post yet!
    Plz forgive.
     
  9. carfurby

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    I'd just feed some LC to try and keep Nelli surfing.
     
  10. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Poor Nelli, I hope you can get her seen faster. Play the "Diabetic Cat " card and she is not eating for you so they prioritize her.

    Also try baby food. All meat either chicken or turkey. When Bubba goes off his feed, I can usually get him to eat that.
     
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    Waiting to hear back from dental vet office. What told by receptionist this morning that both doctors were booked through the end of October :-( I will pull the geriatric diabetic chip from pocket :) thanks for the idea!
    @carfurby @Bobbie And Bubba +3 Nelli tested 58, I retested right away and she tested 65. Should I split the difference and record that, use the 58 or, use the 65?
    I will be testing again at +5 (noon) unless otherwise advised ;)
     
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  13. carfurby

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    You can record either number. Like Bobbie said they are about the same number. I hope you can get Nelli in quicker.
     
  14. Krystina & Nelli

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    Nelli tested +5 35 repeat 39!
     
  15. carfurby

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    I'm at work, so I may not be able to stay on. Feed a teaspoon of HC and test again in 15 minutes. If you can squeeze out just the gravy that will help keep her from getting full too fast.
     
  16. Krystina & Nelli

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    I have hills w/d with chicken prescription diet.
    She gobbled down a 1/2 can.
     
  17. Krystina & Nelli

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    I’m going to test her again now
     
  18. Krystina & Nelli

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    15 later 38!?!
     
  19. carfurby

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    Just keep giving her a little bit of HC and testing every 15 minutes. Do you have any honey or karo in case you need it?
     
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    Gave her more W/D with couple drops of organic amber raw blue agave.
    She’s inhaling this food...
     
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    Is this really bad? She’s been sliding fast all day- like cutting previous test number in 1/2 :nailbiting:
     
  23. Marje and Gracie

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    If you Test her every 15 min and keep feeding the low numbers then you will get her too full and you will overcarb her.

    Since you’ve fed her, I’d wait 20 mins from the last test and test again. If she is still low, just give he a couple more drops of syrup. Retest in 20.

    We’ve found that it takes about 30 mins for food to affect the BG. It syrup will usually do it in 15-20.

    I also don’t know if that kind of syrup will do the trick. Do you have honey, Karo, or maple syrup?
     
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  24. carfurby

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    I wouldn't say it is bad. It looks like something just started working with this dose and she's done with it. Hopefully she comes up soon.
     
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    @Marje and Gracie I'm at work and won't be able to stay on much longer. Will you be around to help?
     
  26. Marje and Gracie

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    Yes, I’m here. Thank you so much, Carla :bighug:
     
  27. Krystina & Nelli

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    Ok thanks.
    No but I can run out and get some honey
     
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    Thanks Marje.
     
  29. Krystina & Nelli

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    I tested her last at 12:30 then fed her some more. This Is when I put a couple drops of the agave on food.
     
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  30. Marje and Gracie

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    Deep breathe. It’s not bad.

    When you see the numbers coming down like they were, you test more.
    Let’s wait until you do the next test. When is that due?
     
  31. Krystina & Nelli

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    Thanks a million Carla :kiss:!
     
  32. Marje and Gracie

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    12:30 means nothing to me in terms of her shot time. ;) How many hours since her shot is 12:30?
     
  33. Krystina & Nelli

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    I’m an emotional wreck. There is so much going on in both Nelli and my life.
    Thank you for your kind words.
     
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    Ok, sorry.
    Her shot was 6U @ 6:50a EDT +5 ago.
     
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    5.5
    She tested 39 @ 5 hours.
    38 @ 5.5 hours
     
  36. Marje and Gracie

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    But +5 was when you got the first low number.

    AMPS 154
    +3 65
    +5 39. ....what did you feed here?
    +5.25 38...what did you feed here?

    How long has it been since the +5.25 test?
     
  37. Marje and Gracie

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    In post #18, you said you tasted 15 minutes later which is +5.25 not +5.5.
     
  38. Krystina & Nelli

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    MY DANG iPad died.
    I’m back.
     
  39. Krystina & Nelli

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    +5 1/3 can w/d
    +5.25 1/3 can w/d
     
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    That is correct. It was (15m later) 5.25. Which was 15 minutes after I fed her w/d first X
     
  41. Krystina & Nelli

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    Test again now...
    brb
     
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  42. Marje and Gracie

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    So let’s keep it organized here to keep track of it (I went off the time stamps and the times you listed in the condo).

    AMPS 154 (6:50 a.m.)
    +3 65
    +5 39 fed 1/3 can w/d (25% carbs)
    +5.5 38 fed 1/3 can w/d (25% carbs), 2 drops syrup
    +6.25 53

    How many ounces is 1/3 can (I don’t know what size can you have).

    Please take the 911 down. I’ll be here till she’s safe. Thank you.
     
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    Congrats on reducie
    Ur doing a great job
     
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  45. Krystina & Nelli

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    Two pearl size drops agave @ +5.25
    1.8 oz (twice 15 m apart) first at +5 second X @ +5.30
     
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  46. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Up Nelli! Looks like she's done with this dose! Congrats on the reduction. This came at the right time for you, Krystina with how upset you were last night about going higher with her dose. :bighug:

    Glad Marje is here with you as I have to deal with my mom now.
     
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    +3.5 (sorry) 65
    +5 39 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb)
    +5.5 38 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb)
    +6 53
     
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  48. Marje and Gracie

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    Excellent !

    Let’s retest in 30 minutes, ok? She’s had a lot of food and we need to give it time to work.

    I’ll be here.
     
  49. Krystina & Nelli

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    Yes?
    Post are not showing unless I refresh site?
    Are you getting mine?
     
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    Ok will re test in 30 minutes!
    Thanks :bighug::cat::kiss:
     
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  51. Marje and Gracie

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    Yes but we cross posted....you were posting numbers as I was posting your name :p:smuggrin: I thought I’d lost you!

    You’re welcome. :bighug:
     
  52. Krystina & Nelli

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    Lest you ever forget, I am the world‘s slowest typist o_O and if I use voice to text often times I just have to go back and correct it all :eek:
     
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  53. Krystina & Nelli

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    I will be away from my computer for about 20 minutes…
     
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  54. Marje and Gracie

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    While we are waiting, I’d like to do a recap. When I was working, we called it an “after action report” which details what we did and what we could have done so we could learn from it. So....this is provided as an opportunity to learn, not as a critique. Ok? And it helps others learn.

    Remember back when I was nagging you about always getting a +2? Now you see why. I guarantee that at +2 today, she would have been lower. Then you could have given her a little LC to help slow the drop and even her out (hoping she would have eaten). By waiting until +3.5 to test, the locomotive was headed downhill fast.

    When, at +3.5, you got the 65, I absolutely would have fed that with a higher LC food or a larger helping and I would have retested in 30 mins...not 1-1/2 hours. If you had to leave for an appointment at that 65, I would have fed her a large helping of the w/d right then and left some out for her to eat. Moral of the story.....if you must go out for a work appt and she’s safe but lower, feed HC food and leave some out. Better that she go high than low.

    And I will add that we’ve all been in your shoes on this. The first time Gracie gave me a 30, and it was early on, I fed her as usual and figured she couldn’t drop that much in two hours that I’d be gone for a golf lesson. Wrong. She could and did and so do alot of cats.

    And a reminder that you’ll want to drop the dose tonight. I’d like to see how this cycle plays out before we decide by how much, ok?
     
  55. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Yes, I agree on the +2, I'm always harping on that test also. I call it my "favorite test"

    Also, unfortunately, when you had asked in post # 11 if it were okay to test again at+5, I had answered it in post +12 but my answer got hidden in your quote box so I am not sure if you saw it where I had said to get a +4 because she was beyond onset.

    You are doing great Krystina and all though it is very stressful to see them dropping , it is also a very good thing that she has hit a dose that is getting her into better numbers and she earned a reduction. :)

    I will be watching later to see what dose Marje advises for tonight.
     
  56. Krystina & Nelli

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    I’m back :)
    71 @ +7
     
  57. Marje and Gracie

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    +3.5 65
    +5 39 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb)
    +5.5 38 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb),
    +6.25 53
    +7 71

    I’m still confused about when you gave the syrup. In one place, you said you gave it at +5.25 and in another, you said you gave it when you fed at +5.5.

    Why is this important? Because it needs to be put in the remarks on her SS so you and we know exactly what you did when and what worked. It would be rare if this never happened again so you want to know how to react especially if it’s in the middle of the night and you are on your own because the board is quiet.

    Please be sure you read my post #54 and @Bobbie And Bubba post #55.

    Normally, at 6u, we would drop the dose back to 5.5u. However, my reservation is because she was just starting to look good and the numbers today could have been because she didn’t have enough food to offset the drop. We must reduce but I worry that reducing her to 5.5u is going to leave her in high numbers.

    Do you think you could consistently draw a 5.75u dose and will you have enough availability to test her over the next six cycles? The reason I’m asking is because a 6u depot could drop her lower again the next 4-6 cycles and if we just drop her to 5.75u, you could see more low numbers in those six cycles before we can clearly see what 5.75u does.

    The option is, if you have a tough schedule the next few days, reduce to 5.5u and drain the depot more. You can always take her back up.

    Thoughts?
     
  58. Krystina & Nelli

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    Thanks. I am clear ;). I have learned ‘how to’ save post that are important references for me now, too. This is definitely a keeper... this single post alone from you.
    I do want to understand and be able to make intelligent decisions, moves. I am frustrated that I cannot see what you and others (who have graciously guided me), see. I don’t even pretend to remotely understand what is happening, what is getting ready to happen most likely, at each new day.
    Thank you again so much for this clear understanding of what transpired today… So far :facepalm:. They have often been times when remembered I got ‘the’ answer to a question or, a move to make. But where God would I dig this back up? I’d become lost. Lost no more :D:p:smuggrin:!
     
  59. Krystina & Nelli

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    +3.5 65
    +5 39 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb)
    +5.5 38 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb) with two pearl sz drops agave
    +6.25 53
    +7 71
     
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    Ok ;)
     
  61. Marje and Gracie

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    You’re welcome.

    Also....a few other things to add which is for future reference because I know the first time you see these numbers, it’s all out panic and adrenaline. You aren’t expected to keep track of everything.

    When we are working low numbers, in between testing and feeding, it’s imperative that you (a) keep the SS up-to-date and accurate so what you post in the condo and what you post in the SS are exactly the same and (b) keep the subject line up-to-date. Even now, your subject line is telling members she’s at 38. That means that members are going to stop what they are doing and check in. That takes up their time that they don’t need to spend on this condo because it’s all under control. It’s standard practice here that when one member is helping another member with low numbers, others don’t get in the mix and post because it becomes too stressful for the member dealing with low numbers to have to keep up with all those posts. But check out your views...106 right now. So members are taking time to check in on you.

    The other helpful thing with low numbers is to keep a summary of it in the condo as we are doing it. By that I mean:
    +3.5 65
    +5 39 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb)
    +5.5 38 fed 1.8oz can w/d (25% carb) with two pearl sz drops agave
    +6.25 53
    +7 71

    When I’m helping a member, I’m not looking back at their subject line because I’ve got the condo open constantly. I’m also probably not looking too much at the SS because, even if you update it immediately, there is a time delay in what we see from the SS link in FDMB. The person helping you will help you do the summary. Long ago, we did not do this but some where along the line, we started doing it and it really helps all concerned. And if you’re in a frazzle and the numbers drop back down again before you’ve entered everything into your SS Remarks on feeding, you can scroll back up and see what we did when.
     
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  62. Krystina & Nelli

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    I didnt see this Bobbie. That’s weird how it got put in that yellow box? Regardless, Nelli’s dental appointment on October 8 is with a dental veterinarian whom she saw a few years back. Which 0BTW he was thrilled at her age she had all of her teeth :) hasn’t had an extraction... yet :bookworm:
    How his procedure works is that she gets the greenlight for anesthesia, she’s anesthetized, dental exam and cleaning and... any thing else she might need. So, the exam is done under anesthesia :).
    Without thinking I had heard anything other about testing +5 I stayed on that track.
     
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    Not now :p
     
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    This brings tears to me. I’m choked up. I feel very blessed and very thankful. :bighug::bighug::bighug:
     
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    Thanks, I appreciate you.
     
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  66. Bobbie And Bubba

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    Yeah I am not sure why my response to your question went into the yellow quote box. The only think I can think of is that the last Quote bracket ( ] )got erased and made you post and my post as one. When I caught up with Nelli dropping I went back to make sure I had answered your next test question and found out that had happened. I am sorry that it happened as it could have saved you some anguish and , mental note to self to make sure my response looks correctly after it is sent.
     
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  67. Krystina & Nelli

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    Ok, now for God’s sake... when would you test next?
     
  68. Marje and Gracie

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    Especially when I’m not nagging you :woot::woot::p:p:p:D:D:D

    I would test at +8. She had a lot of HC food and it’s going to wear off. Let’s be sure it put the brakes on her a bit as the duration of the insulin is waning.

    And I’d still like your thoughts on the dose for tonight after you read my post #57 because my answer depends, in part, on your ability to test.

    Thanks for fixing that subject line. See....members always care even if they don’t post. It’s just the etiquette here to not post when we are working low numbers.
     
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    AMEN.
     
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    Now you are stressing me out :eek:.
    I have half mark syringe- in past how I would do it would measure rubber stopper in between the half Mark and the whole mark? I hope I have/do it consistently correct but who knows without having a calpiler, which I do need to invest in one.
    My schedule can be flexible enough to be properly attentive over next six cycles. The only day which is nearly impossible for me is a Friday night through Saturday afternoon.
     
  72. Krystina & Nelli

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    I am all over avoiding this possibility!
     
  73. Marje and Gracie

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    Ok. Let’s see how the cycle plays out. The normal reduction from 6u should be to 5.5u just for the same reason we went up 0.5u. At this dose, a 0.5u reduction would be like at 0.25u reduction at a lower dose. My gut, from a safety standpoint, tells me it’s best to give the full reduction and take her up to 5.75u if she stalls.
     
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  74. Krystina & Nelli

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    I’m ready to roll on a .25 reduction. I will need guidance on test timing for PM especially. What I’m getting ready to say may not sit well with you and some others… if so, just virtually spank me with a wet noodle (he-he).
    Here goes:
    To me it doesn’t make sense to wake Nelli up and poke her every two hours if not crucial. I know I have been told numerous times “if pm +2 is higher (or lower) than PMPS shoot ____, otherwise you can break until + ___. As I understand the more test the better (Gracie SS exp.).
    not following you? Shoot 5.75 or 5.5 PM?
     
  75. Marje and Gracie

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    I don’t know that anyone has told you to poke her every two hours if not crucial. Where the difference might be is your definition and our definition of “crucial”. You can’t compare Gracie because she was on Levemir so the cycles are totally different.

    All we can tell you is what we know from experience. If she’s the same as or lower at +2, she’s likely to have an active cycle and “might” require more testing. It’s up to you to whether you how much you want to test her but you might want to look around at SSs of lantus users and see what happens when the +2 is lower than the PS. Remember ECID but it just gives you an idea.

    IMHO, I’d reduce to 5.5u and if she needs more insulin (she does not come back down into green after any bounce has cleared), then you’ve got something to take her up to as the “last good dose” is not the dose that got her into the 30s (in other words, 6u is not a good dose right now; later, we might find she needs to go back up to 6u but for now, she’s telling us she needs less insulin).

    Having said all that, you hold the syringe.
     
  76. Krystina & Nelli

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    Yes I do :nailbiting:... not really :nailbiting:
    :)
     
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    She has developed little bitty bumps on her little ear flaps :oops:
     
  78. Krystina & Nelli

    Krystina & Nelli Member

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    Definitely, if I see based upon +2 that she quite possibly will have an active night... I will test until she starts rising to AMPS.
    Thanks :)
    Was +8 # to be expected; how does it look?
     
  79. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Well-Known Member

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    Looks good!

    We are headed out...hiking day. I won’t be back by your shot time but I’ve given you my thoughts. You’ve got time to query others if you’d like other opinions.

    Good job today!!!!
     
  80. Krystina & Nelli

    Krystina & Nelli Member

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    Thanks for being here for us today!
    I am going to shoot 5.5u at 6:30p EDT.
    Enjoy the hike!
     
  81. Krystina & Nelli

    Krystina & Nelli Member

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    I used a ( magic bullet o_O) blender to pulverize Nell Rad Cat for dinner. It worked brilliantly, thanks for the sugest’ she ate all at one sitting- didn’t watch but don’t think she went thru her chop, chop, chop-chopping mouth behavior tonight :D.
     
  82. Krystina & Nelli

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    I will feel relieved, one way or another when Nelli has her BP checked late tomorrow late afternoon is appointment.
    Asked... Vet uses “digital BP meter not Doppler. Is one better than another?
     
  83. Krystina & Nelli

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    She has developed little bitty bumps on her little ear flaps from pokin’ :oops:
    and
    Asked... Vet uses Digital not Doppler BP check. One over the other? You opinion :) please.
     
  84. Bobbie And Bubba

    Bobbie And Bubba Well-Known Member

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    I don't know the answer to that, maybe some others will weigh in. Good luck tomorrow at the vet.

    Poor little ears, are you putting anything on them? I use Neosporin with pain reliever.
     
  85. Krystina & Nelli

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    Not regularly- when I put aloe or Silver first aid, etc, it interferes with next poke unless I clean/wipe away completely? I’ll try the Neosporin :) question to @Bobbie And Bubba whould you and Bubba s.l.e.e.p tonight or shoot some more?
    +2.5 was just about same as PMPS :-|
     
  86. Marje and Gracie

    Marje and Gracie Well-Known Member

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    Are you poking her ear flaps? You should be poking higher than that.

    The digital one should be fine to measure BP. Good luck tomorrow and good luck with the dose reduction.

    On the dose reduction, if she bounces, we want to be sure the BG comes back down to green or we need to increase to 5.75u. You don’t want to sit on a dose that isn’t working after a reduction.

    Paws crossed 6u was the dose that got her going!
     
  87. Krystina & Nelli

    Krystina & Nelli Member

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    I am poking Upper right outside of earflap… I use the word flap because I’m not poking the inside of her ear :)
     
  88. Krystina & Nelli

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    Did not work this morning :-( I am playing phone tag with dental office should know something here shortly… Waiting for a callback. She is so hungry but cannot finish her breakfast. I waited about 45 minutes and then set down the rest of it for her, she finished it gobbled it up but then went through her mouth exercise.
     
  89. Sue and Luci

    Sue and Luci Well-Known Member

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    Poor thing...hope someone can look at her soon...
     
  90. Krystina & Nelli

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    Me too Sue. Still waiting on call back from dentist
     

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